Multiple fatalities in shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church

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Yeah, there's a big picture involved when an Al Qaeda member kills people.
You... don't understand the difference between this and September 11th?

You continue to fail at pointing fingers and naming names at the big picture with this kid. Who supports him? It's time for you to fail to answer, again.
Still waiting for you to show me the "entire political media industry" responsible for inciting this.

I'm not claiming it's logistical support, I'm flat out recognizing it's ideological support that's blatantly obvious, pervasive, and driving opinion and emotion just like this kid was acting on. Just like this kid had been acting perfectly acceptably on in the bubble he was in until he outright murdered some people. Which, you know, kind of reflects poorly on all those others in that same bubble who stop short of murder, and why there's the insistence from a lot of them that this was a mental health issue or an attack on religious liberty.
 

fskimospy

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When did that start happening here?

You can disagree with their choice of policy to make these tragedies less likely if you would like, but people pushing for gun control in response to this are doing it precisely because they think it would make future tragedies less likely.
 

MagickMan

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Yeah, how dare people respond to a tragedy by trying to do things that they think will make a future, similar tragedy less likely. Those monsters.

Yep, you guys don't even wait until the bodies are cold. It's impressive. :thumbsup:
 

xBiffx

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You can disagree with their choice of policy to make these tragedies less likely if you would like, but people pushing for gun control in response to this are doing it precisely because they think it would make future tragedies less likely.

Oh, that. I honestly thought you were talking about race relations or something along those lines considering all the racism talk. I see, thanks for clarifying.

Still, I'm not sure what specific policy addresses this particular issue to prevent it from happening.
 

HTFOff

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You can disagree with their choice of policy to make these tragedies less likely if you would like, but people pushing for gun control in response to this are doing it precisely because they think it would make future tragedies less likely.

Because before firearms, humans were benevolent saints?

Some people give the human race way too much credit. We are animals.
 

fskimospy

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Because before firearms, humans were benevolent saints?

Some people give the human race way too much credit. We are animals.

I'm not really interested in having a gun control debate. Let's just say that I don't find the argument that we can't do anything to reduce our rate of gun homicides to be compelling.
 

dank69

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If you were as bright as you feel you are, you'd have noticed that I have been arguing nothing in regards to Roof's motives in this thread. The reason for that I spelled out in the post you quoted - it has no bearing on the end result. This obsession of the leftists/progressives to get everyone to agree with their view of things used to be somewhat interesting but it has long since become tiresome. It's got you so torqued up that you can't interpret my post without putting your own internal spin on it. You can't take it at face value, you must find the "deeper meaning" within my words. Well, keep trying if it gives you joy.

I do like the phrase "festering cesspool of racism" though. That's some good shit right there.
The face value is that you are trying to play down the racist component of this story. That's it. You said it doesn't matter if it was racist or not.
 

lotus503

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Jihadists don't kill everyone they hate. But both jihadist muslims and white racists brand an entire group of people as sub-human, fostering an atmosphere that give cover and comfort to murderous violence, be they the lynchings that still happened in my lifetime here or the beheading that happen in the ME now.

Sure, as a more socially advanced society, we now allow those we formally did not the right to vote and eat in the same restaurants, although this was a decades long effort involving the murders of those, white and black, striving for it, and, eventually, the need for armed troops to enforce it. So, now, finally, the outright, unmitigated violence here is less.

But, hey, you can desperately dance and deflect and equivocate all you want, but if you really don't see that white American racism and militant jihadism are born out of the same seed of hate which gives cover and encouragement to murderous violence such as just happened, it can only be out of your willful, ideologically born blindness.

The question is, why do you willfully refuse to see this?

Holy hell this just nails it!
 

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It is easy to look at a tragedy like this and say that the person committing such an act must be mentally ill, but that demeans the experience. The fact is that people can do horrendous acts in clear consciousness if they are convinced that what they are doing is the right thing to do, if it is a necessary thing. People dropped atomic bombs on populated cities, they fire bombed Dresden. Our history is filled with examples of basically good people performing heinous acts because they felt it was justified.

This is the danger of any philosophy that tells it's followers that they are absolutely right. This is the danger of any philosophy that tells it's followers that other human beings are sub-human. This is the danger of any philosophy that makes people 'other'.

Our society is being increasingly pushed into such philosophies. We have politics that draws lines and demonizes the other side. We have religions that tell its followers that it has a absolute morality that makes them absolutely right. On nearly every issue facing our society it seems that we are moving towards absolutes where the other side is the enemy.

If we continue down this path it is only a matter of time before killing that enemy sounds reasonable to a significant portion of the supporters.
 

Blanky

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This forum..

I see this shooting has jostled you from ur delusion that there is no racism in America. And so ur brain is desperately spinning to make it all make sense again....
I mentioned the shooter's racism before you even saw this thread.

What is it like having so little confidence in your ability to argue that you resort to obvious lying? Does it make you feel sad for yourself?
 

Sunburn74

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Because before firearms, humans were benevolent saints?

Some people give the human race way too much credit. We are animals.

Before guns, there were swords and there were quite a lot of restrictions regarding swords.

Clearly the way guns are being utilized today is in no way what was originally intended. It is a perversion of the original plan and our laws should change to reflect changes in technology. The simplest means is to restrict ownership to people who prove competency.
 

blankslate

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It'll be interesting to see how the media treats this criminal... I say terrorist because of the way he sat in the church for a while before shooting them and leaving one person alive to relay his message to others... compared to others who have killed many in the recent past.

The Boston bombers for example.


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Indus

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Glad to see the Progressive Left is using yet another tragedy to push their agenda, well done.

Glad to see the Conservative Right ignore another tragedy to show us all what this is all about: defending their base which is 95% racist, well done.

P.S. Didn't you guys do the same about Bengazi? Doesn't stop you from using a tragedy to push YOUR agenda.
 
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FerrelGeek

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I'm just noticing that all the people who never miss their chance to label black people behaving badly as savages/thugs and then when called out on that pattern claim they will label any race guilty of the same behavior as savages/thugs don't seem to be jumping at their chance here, now do they?

I did, but I do my very best in life to be even-handed. I can only be responsible for me.
 

Indus

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From The Nation. Gee. How unbiased.

That is an actual unedited audio clip from Lee Atwater, Reagan's political strategist, the one all GOP contenders hold dear and immortalize as they want to get the same electoral votes as Reagan did.. 49 out of 50 states.

If you want to deny the strategy completely and call smelling "bullshit" chocolate and eat it due to it's sweetness of the kool-aid, by all means go ahead.
 

TheSlamma

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That is an actual unedited audio clip from Lee Atwater, Reagan's political strategist, the one all GOP contenders hold dear and immortalize as they want to get the same electoral votes as Reagan did.. 49 out of 50 states.

If you want to deny the strategy completely and call smelling "bullshit" chocolate and eat it due to it's sweetness of the kool-aid, by all means go ahead.
Weird that you subtracted his Robert Byrd line.
 
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