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Atreus21

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Please don't equivocate and purposefully distort. Yes, I'm sure the rhetoric on the left didn't help, but that's one incident and not actually an attempt to instigate violence. Meanwhile, the President of the United States regularly calls the press the "enemy of the people," his supporters shout "lugenpresse" without rebuke, and influential conservatives like Milo explicitly encourage people to gun journalists down.

Let me know when Democratic leaders demonize Republicans to a level that promotes violence and then you can talk. Until then, you will accept the truth: that the provocations to violence are almost exclusively on the right.

You've got some arrogance telling me what I'll accept sir.

The shooter in this case had a vendetta against the paper. There has been no evidence yet that he did so because Trump is an irresponsible idiot. I make no apology whatsoever for Trump's recklessness.

Scalise's shooter, had an explictly left-wing political motive and set out deliberately to kill republicans. You think you can condemn Trump's viciousness while excusing the broad rhetoric from the left of republicans being Nazis?
 

Atreus21

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This is obviously false. The number of right wing terrorist attacks on Americans dwarfs the number of left wing attacks, by the government's own numbers. While anyone who encouraged violence against Scalise should have to answer for it the fact remains that conservatives are far, far more likely to engage in violent rhetoric and, most importantly, far FAR more likely to actually engage in politically motivated violence.

Terrorism in the US today is primarily a right wing phenomenon. It occurs even more frequently than Islamic terrorism.

NOT. THE POINT.

Phokus claims that "[Trump] called the press the 'enemy of the people'. Guess what people are going to do if that's the case?" implying that republicans are incited to violence by such statements.

Are you guys seriously trying to defend a double standard, that "Democrats routinely and repeatedly call republicans Nazis and motivated by white supremacy. Guess what people are going to do if that's the case?" is unfair while the first is perfectly fair, given what happened to Steven Scalise?

CORRECTION: My bad. You probably took issue with my "no less than" part. I concede that point, that for the present, right wing terrorism is more common than left wing terrorism. I wasn't arguing against that, but rather the notion that incitement only matters when republicans do it.
 
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Why was Trump suggesting the media was the enemy of the people? Is he still pushing these marching orders?
 

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This is obviously false. The number of right wing terrorist attacks on Americans dwarfs the number of left wing attacks, by the government's own numbers. While anyone who encouraged violence against Scalise should have to answer for it the fact remains that conservatives are far, far more likely to engage in violent rhetoric and, most importantly, far FAR more likely to actually engage in politically motivated violence.

Terrorism in the US today is primarily a right wing phenomenon. It occurs even more frequently than Islamic terrorism.

Not just a little more but way, way more. 99% of these type of shootings are triggered snowflakes who can't stand that people who used to know their place are now being treated equally. And they think human rights are a zero sum game, if someone else is getting more they must be getting less.
 
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NOT. THE POINT.

Phokus claims that "[Trump] called the press the 'enemy of the people'. Guess what people are going to do if that's the case?" implying that republicans are incited to violence by such statements.

Are you guys seriously trying to defend a double standard, that "Democrats routinely and repeatedly call republicans Nazis and motivated by white supremacy. Guess what people are going to do if that's the case?" is unfair while the first is perfectly fair, given what happened to Steven Scalise?

It's very much the point. While extreme rhetoric exists on both sides and violence exists on both sides the scale of the two is not even remotely equal.

If you genuinely care about political violence you need to focus almost exclusively on conservatives as that is where the overwhelming majority of political violence comes from. Modern American conservatism is a pretty violent ideology and conservatives need to confront that.
 
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dainthomas

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It's very much the point. While extreme rhetoric exists on both sides and violence exists on both sides the scale of the two is not even remotely equal.

If you genuinely care about political violence you need to focus almost exclusively on conservatives as that is where the overwhelming majority of political violence comes from. Modern American conservatism is a pretty violent ideology and conservatives need to confront that.

The bothsides argument from these people is weak and tiresome. "Oh look, one left winger shot people so that's equivalent to the hundreds of righties doing it."
 
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Atreus21

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It's very much the point. While extreme rhetoric exists on both sides and violence exists on both sides the scale of the two is not even remotely equal.

If you genuinely care about political violence you need to focus almost exclusively on conservatives as that is where the overwhelming majority of political violence comes from. Modern American conservatism is a pretty violent ideology and conservatives need to confront that.

See my correction.
 

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The bothsides argument from these people is weak and tiresome. "Oh look, one left winger shot people so that's equivalent to the hundreds of righties doing it."

One left winger attempted an assassination attempt on elected Republican officials, nearly succeeded, and would have killed far more but for the security detail. How many righties have tried that? How many righties have taken to shooting people on partisan grounds at all?

Anyway that's not the point, again. Phokus claimed that Trump's rhetoric may incite shooters and violence. Is it not possible that pervasive leftist rhetoric might do the same, as it clearly did with the Scalise shooting?
 
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Ok as a disclaimer blah blah blah -*** I DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE ***

The congressional ballpark shooting was an example of what happens when people no longer feel represented. That was after Republicans tried once to repeal Obamacare and about a month before they were going into a second vote against it. This guys local rep stopped showing up to town halls. Didn't answer his messages. Ect. He was unemployed, living out of a van and desperate. When government tries to strip away things from you and won't even show it's face to let you speak out against it this is what will continue to happen. I don't think it will be an outright civil war, but I think as people get more and desperate and no longer feel that they have actual representation that is working for them, more and more events will happen like this. Our politicians are no longer voting in our interests. It's all about people that pad their campaigns. Left or right, doesn't matter. As partisan divides continue to grow and politicians respond events like this will continue to increase on both sides.
 
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Atreus21

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Ok as a disclaimer blah blah blah -*** I DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE ***

The congressional ballpark shooting was an example of what happens when people no longer feel represented. That was after Republicans tried once to repeal Obamacare and about a month before they were going into a second vote against it. This guys local rep stopped showing up to town halls. Didn't answer his messages. Ect. He was unemployed, living out of a van and desperate. When government tries to strip away things from you and won't even show it's face to let you speak out against it this is what will continue to happen. I don't think it will be an outright civil war, but I think as people get more and desperate and no longer feel that they have actual representation that is working for them, more and more events will happen like this. Our politicians are no longer voting in our interests. It's all about people that pad their campaigns. Left or right, doesn't matter. As partisan divides continue to grow and politicians respond events like this will continue to increase on both sides.

Would you accept such excuses were the shoe on the other foot?
 

Atreus21

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We are a nation built on rebellion and supporting it. It's in our blood.

C'mon. You would accept this behavior from Republicans if they were sufficiently pissed off?

I could use such excuses to justify abortion clinic bombings.
 

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Politicians are unique. We elect them to represent us. When that representation no longer works and actual health and welfare of entire communities are at risk, what is a desperate person supposed to? Thoughts and prayer their way back?

Attacking a civilian because you don't believe in what they are doing is wrong. We are all entitled to our opinions, decisions and how we chose to live our lives. Attacking another citizen because you don't agree with their lifestyle is about as un-American as you can get. We founded this country on freedom of choice and expression.

But politicians are a different matter. They are meant to represent, face, and hear their constituents. When representation fails it has direct impacts on thousands if not millions of lives. Kingdoms, regimes, coups, ect are all founded on dissent of political power. It's not about attacking your common peer.

I don't condone violence, especially lethal violence against politicians, but when you see people in wheel chairs being handcuffed and arrested for protesting for their livelyhoods...I understand where some of that desperation comes from. It would probably do our politicians a little good to have a bit of fear struck into them. Shooting up a ballgame isn't the way to do that, but it's how it's going to continue to happen if people are ignored.
 
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