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UNCjigga

Lifer
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C'mon. You would accept this behavior from Republicans if they were sufficiently pissed off?

I could use such excuses to justify abortion clinic bombings.
Why are you trying to justify violence? The right has already shown that they can be successful at resistance and protest without having to resort to intimidation and physical threats. That's what the Tea Party Movement was. That's what the liberal Resistance today is.

You brought up the Scalise shooting--no one incited Hodgkinson to violence, as for him it was personal. Show me the evidence that any elected official or media personality on the left was advocating for violence around the time of the shooting. The only example I can think of was Kathy Griffin posing with a severed Trump head--and she was condemned for that by the right and the left instantly (and fired.) She is not a political provocateur of note either--unlike Alex Jones, Breitbart, Milo, Hannity, Republican House reps physically assaulting or threatening journalists, Trump's lawyer, or Trump himself.
 
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Commodus

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You've got some arrogance telling me what I'll accept sir.

The shooter in this case had a vendetta against the paper. There has been no evidence yet that he did so because Trump is an irresponsible idiot. I make no apology whatsoever for Trump's recklessness.

Scalise's shooter, had an explictly left-wing political motive and set out deliberately to kill republicans. You think you can condemn Trump's viciousness while excusing the broad rhetoric from the left of republicans being Nazis?

I'm not excusing those who take it too far, and I know this particular shooter doesn't appear to have been inspired by Trump. What I am saying is that it's a bit rich to ask "but what about the left calling Republicans Nazis?" when there's so far been exactly one (1) incident possibly prompted by that rhetoric where millions of Trump supporters genuinely believe the free press is a threat.

Besides, I don't like what you're tacitly suggesting here: that the broader left-wing demographic is using excessively harsh language (this is false), and that the response should be to quiet down, avoid raising alarm bells... er, no. The left must be loud, and I would much rather have them occasionally using unwarranted language (with the exception of people like Stephen Miller, who very clearly has fascist sympathies) than let the US slide into autocracy out of a sense of politeness.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Do you or don't you?

If vicious invective can be blamed for inciting deadly attacks, then democrats have their own to answer for no less than republicans.

At what point do you come around to understand that quantified data is always going to be more relevant than your baseless feels? Your claim here can only ever be wrong, because it is long proven to be so. It isn't debatable. I will forever be baffled by the common republican mindset to ignore observed and quantified data that conflicts with baseless assumptions. I will never understand this. I know the brain has a tendency to endlessly defend itself against the very bad ideas that it is responsible for, but it's baffling that we seem to have to go through an entirely new Enlightenment to get nearly half the population of the angriest, self-hating, self-victimized population to accept the simple truth that only they have put themselves in the positions that see them blaming the rest of the world for their endless misery, and is thus a very easy situation to fix--one that involves actual responsibility, and not baseless finger-pointing.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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You've got some arrogance telling me what I'll accept sir.

The shooter in this case had a vendetta against the paper. There has been no evidence yet that he did so because Trump is an irresponsible idiot. I make no apology whatsoever for Trump's recklessness.

Scalise's shooter, had an explictly left-wing political motive and set out deliberately to kill republicans. You think you can condemn Trump's viciousness while excusing the broad rhetoric from the left of republicans being Nazis?

Well, stop supporting open and proud Nazis, then? That's a start.

/votes for fascists, prays that God will sort it all out in the end. Pretty much the kind of irresponsible poison that has wrecked the brains of your party: "All of my demonstrable evil wrought against the world will be decided, in the end, when my God lays final judgement, anyway."
 

lyssword

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One left winger attempted an assassination attempt on elected Republican officials, nearly succeeded, and would have killed far more but for the security detail. How many righties have tried that? How many righties have taken to shooting people on partisan grounds at all?

Anyway that's not the point, again. Phokus claimed that Trump's rhetoric may incite shooters and violence. Is it not possible that pervasive leftist rhetoric might do the same, as it clearly did with the Scalise shooting?

So you're saying Charleston guy who rammed a crowd of protesters didn't know they were liberals? Or Planned parenthood shootings? or the Pizza gate shooting?
 

esquared

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Milo should be arrested for that. There are limits to free speech, and this is one, inciting violence.
How about her?

Maryland shooting: NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch said journalists 'need to be curb-stomped', in resurfaced footage
https://www.yahoo.com/news/maryland-shooting-nra-spokeswoman-dana-101041005.html

"Shaun King, a civil rights activist and writer, shared an old clip of Ms Loesch berating journalists on Twitter in the wake of the Maryland tragedy"

She denies saying it but its on camera.

"Ms Loesch, who is a spokesperson for the largest gun lobbying group in the US, said: “I’m happy frankly to see them curb-stomped. I mean let's be real about it.”

“These people are just the worst thing that could ever possibly happen to the American political system right now with the way that they cover so many things. Nobody gets a fair shake on policy, no one gets a fair shake where it concerns immigration. They conflate illegal and legal immigration.

“They conflate a number of things – particularly the coverage on gun control. I have so many things that I hate about mainstream media, there is no way we are going to fit it in the allotted time today. They are the rat bastards of the earth. They are the boil on the backside of American politics.”"
 

DarthKyrie

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How about her?

Maryland shooting: NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch said journalists 'need to be curb-stomped', in resurfaced footage
https://www.yahoo.com/news/maryland-shooting-nra-spokeswoman-dana-101041005.html

"Shaun King, a civil rights activist and writer, shared an old clip of Ms Loesch berating journalists on Twitter in the wake of the Maryland tragedy"

She denies saying it but its on camera.

"Ms Loesch, who is a spokesperson for the largest gun lobbying group in the US, said: “I’m happy frankly to see them curb-stomped. I mean let's be real about it.”

“These people are just the worst thing that could ever possibly happen to the American political system right now with the way that they cover so many things. Nobody gets a fair shake on policy, no one gets a fair shake where it concerns immigration. They conflate illegal and legal immigration.

“They conflate a number of things – particularly the coverage on gun control. I have so many things that I hate about mainstream media, there is no way we are going to fit it in the allotted time today. They are the rat bastards of the earth. They are the boil on the backside of American politics.”"

WOW just WOW!!
 

Phenzyn

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WOW just WOW!!
That about sums it up.

But really, when the NRA's president is literally the biggest traitor in modern political history, what do you expect?

This seems fitting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpZbbOgjhPc

/queue the right wing nut jobs that will come in defending North and claim he doesn't hold a candle to Snowden.


ALSO

“They conflate a number of things – particularly the coverage on gun control. I have so many things that I hate about mainstream media, there is no way we are going to fit it in the allotted time today. They are the rat bastards of the earth. They are the boil on the backside of American politics.”"

Every time these Brazilian nuts open their mouths, its self reflection. Literally everything she says can be applied to herself and her own corrupt organization.
 
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How about her?

Maryland shooting: NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch said journalists 'need to be curb-stomped', in resurfaced footage
https://www.yahoo.com/news/maryland-shooting-nra-spokeswoman-dana-101041005.html

"Shaun King, a civil rights activist and writer, shared an old clip of Ms Loesch berating journalists on Twitter in the wake of the Maryland tragedy"

She denies saying it but its on camera.

"Ms Loesch, who is a spokesperson for the largest gun lobbying group in the US, said: “I’m happy frankly to see them curb-stomped. I mean let's be real about it.”

“These people are just the worst thing that could ever possibly happen to the American political system right now with the way that they cover so many things. Nobody gets a fair shake on policy, no one gets a fair shake where it concerns immigration. They conflate illegal and legal immigration.

“They conflate a number of things – particularly the coverage on gun control. I have so many things that I hate about mainstream media, there is no way we are going to fit it in the allotted time today. They are the rat bastards of the earth. They are the boil on the backside of American politics.”"

The road to fascism is sometimes a rather twisty one. Other times it seems pretty damn straight and well defined.
 
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"Exclusive: Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right"

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/ex...shooter-had-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right/
This seems like pretty pathetic reaching. I went through his Twitter account when he was named. I saw one post mentioning Trump in 2015.



This need to blame the other side by people for every tragedy is pathetic. There was a chance the rhetoric against the media was a contributing factor. That chance disappeared when it became known what this guys history is. He was a shitty person and a lunatic. He was motivated by his own sense of self worth it seems, nothing else.
 
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Phenzyn

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This seems like pretty pathetic reaching. I went through his Twitter account when he was named. I saw one post mentioning Trump in 2015.



This need to blame the other side by people for every tragedy is pathetic. There was a chance the rhetoric against the media was a contributing factor. That chance disappeared when it became known what this guys history is. He was a shitty person and a lunatic. He was motivated by his own sense of self worth it seems, nothing else.
Bullshit!

Its just as likely that the rhetoric against the media simply escalated the hatred that was already there. You can't toss out that this is a contributing factor just because of his history. He may have just gone about hating the media in a nonviolent way, but then he see's the LEADER of the nation say the things he does? Not even talking about what other people say? Maybe he watches fox news.

He goes into a Walmart and sees the shirt that they are selling OFF THE RACK! That the rope, tree and journalist just needs assembly! And perhaps it was that or something Trump said, or something other right wing nut jobs said that pushed him over the edge.

Your never ending need to try and stop this from being political is not working. Any time a gun is used for violent ends in such a public way, it's political. He purchased the gun legally. He has a long standing history of mental instability. If common sense gun laws were put in place that stopped people with so much mental health problems from purchasing a gun, this might not have happened. That argument alone makes this political.

Furthermore - not everyone is political. They may not even know which side is fighting for which things. Some people go through life completely ignorant of what a typical democrat or republican stands for. Many people are more than happy to live their life without ever delving into or even trying to understand politics. Even more people think they do understand politics and don't even have a clue. Who is to say this guy even understood the politics as they are in this country right now? I have seen countless a clown who might identify as a pub or dem and not even understand why, because they don't even realize what that does or does not represent. But that doesn't mean their actions aren't something that can be looked at by other people as political.

Lets say the guy has gone through life self-identifying as a democrat, so be it. But would we take that at face value any way? My own mother no longer self-identifies as a repub simply because of conversations I've had with her over the last 5 years, namely the last two when I've become very politcal myself. She is the age of a typical Fox news viewer, and still didn't understand so much - not just because she was being spoon fed by Fox - but because of other factors. She simply shared her political identity with my father even though it went against her own moral fabric. Never even thought about what that meant. For some people its pure ignorance, or cognitive dissonance - but it doesn't matter. People don't always know who they are, they tell us with their actions. He can go around claiming to be a liberal all he wants and yet this action alone tells us differently.

EDIT: OH - and I also posted pages back about how the public twitter for this person that was put out might not even be his twitter. And even if it was, it shows so many inconsistencies. Other people brought them up as well. What about him arguing with what appears to be himself? Why are there pictures of him in the media that look NOTHING like his supposed Twitter account? Have you not considered that this twitter account referenced, that you "researched" isn't even him? Even if it is him, it shows someone with incredible mental health issues. He pretends to be someone else, and also is arguing and fighting with himself on a separate twitter account. Someone like that may not even have been allowed to purchase a firearm if idiots weren't in control.
 
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Phenzyn

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How about this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/

Can we all agree that this one is political? This will not be the last time we see such an incident.

This is a direct indictment of the Fox News propaganda machine. We are on the brink of a politically-motivated shooting that is going to set the country ablaze.

This guy is a terrorist and instead of serving time in prison, he was arrested and charged with two misdemeanors.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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How about this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/

Can we all agree that this one is political? This will not be the last time we see such an incident.

This is a direct indictment of the Fox News propaganda machine. We are on the brink of a politically-motivated shooting that is going to set the country ablaze.

This guy is a terrorist and instead of serving time in prison, he was arrested and charged with two misdemeanors.

@UglyCasanova , here ya go pal, guess the nationwide protests did turn violent after all. too bad...
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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How about this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/

Can we all agree that this one is political? This will not be the last time we see such an incident.

This is a direct indictment of the Fox News propaganda machine. We are on the brink of a politically-motivated shooting that is going to set the country ablaze.

This guy is a terrorist and instead of serving time in prison, he was arrested and charged with two misdemeanors.

To be fair, that guy was a responsible gun owner until he wasn't.

Or maybe he was a good guy with a gun.

Perhaps he was simply defending this country from tyrants.

Its hard to keep track of the motives behind these dumb ass, deplorable, authoritarians.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
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How about this one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-pulling-a-gun-on-immigration-protesters/

Can we all agree that this one is political? This will not be the last time we see such an incident.

This is a direct indictment of the Fox News propaganda machine. We are on the brink of a politically-motivated shooting that is going to set the country ablaze.

This guy is a terrorist and instead of serving time in prison, he was arrested and charged with two misdemeanors.

If only Maxine had been more civil...
 

Phenzyn

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I wonder where that poster from earlier in the thread is. Arguing that the Annapolis shooter must be a liberal because his long hair and beard.

Oops. Guess you can't assume just based on the books cover huh?

They tell you who they are by their actions.

Edit - added post for call out of fascist.

This guy was a journalist. What do you think, liberal or conservative?
 
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