Multitasking

[Shenkoa]

ENOUGH!!!!!!!! Both of you grow up.

Here is my last question, Barton 2500+ or Intel Celery D 330 2.6 for real world performance and muiltitasking. Multitasking just with programs and not with games. Games dont mean crap for this rig as it will have poor video.

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
ENOUGH!!!!!!!! Both of you grow up.

Here is my last question, Barton 2500+ or Intel Celery D 330 2.6 for real world performance and muiltitasking. Multitasking just with programs and not with games. Games dont mean crap for this rig as it will have poor video.

If you ask real world performance, definately Barton 2500+. (Unless you pull out some mad OC somewhere like 3.6G out of Celeron)

 

[FullRoast]

Found this:

"In compilation, AMD still takes the cake, but the Celeron 335 manages to best the 2500+ Barton in this benchmark. We can see the more than 7% performance improvement when looking at the 20x100 Celeron D, and the 2.53GHz Celeron D 325 performs head and shoulders above the 2.6GHz Celeron with the addition of the 533MHz FSB."


from this review.. I'm sure there are more reviews are to get some real details.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
ENOUGH!!!!!!!! Both of you grow up.

Here is my last question, Barton 2500+ or Intel Celery D 330 2.6 for real world performance and muiltitasking. Multitasking just with programs and not with games. Games dont mean crap for this rig as it will have poor video.

What do you mean both of us. I said my peace and didn't flame or say anything negative. You have heard my opinion. Just heed all the ATers advice, do not go by the advice of FelixdaKat as he (in all honesty) knows nothing about CPU's, he is just here to cause problems.

Listen to everyone else who has said the EXACT opposite to everything he has said.

-Kevin

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
ENOUGH!!!!!!!! Both of you grow up.

Here is my last question, Barton 2500+ or Intel Celery D 330 2.6 for real world performance and muiltitasking. Multitasking just with programs and not with games. Games dont mean crap for this rig as it will have poor video.

What do you mean both of us. I said my peace and didn't flame or say anything negative. You have heard my opinion. Just heed all the ATers advice, do not go by the advice of FelixdaKat as he (in all honesty) knows nothing about CPU's, he is just here to cause problems.

Listen to everyone else who has said the EXACT opposite to everything he has said.

-Kevin

And Keven is a freshman in highschool while I make a partial fortune the computer biz. Who you gonna call? M.E.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Im not a freshman in high school dumb ass.... now stop you are crapping this guys thread!!

Im sorry but i had to reply back, i really dont want to crap your thread.

-Kevin

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Im not a freshman in high school dumb ass.... now stop you are crapping this guys thread!!

Im sorry but i had to reply back, i really dont want to crap your thread.

-Kevin

So your a sophmore? And these arent threadcraps. Well, actually yours is. But since you questioned my credibility, I questioned yours. And I win. This lends credence to our comments. Now stop being such a drama queen.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Nope not a sophomore... try again retard. IT IS THREADCRAPPING AND I HATE DOING IT but you wont shut up. By im not posting anymore post all the crap you want about me. People already know your [horrible] reputation.


OP i am ddeply sorry and i hope you wont judge me by the way this thread went.

-Kevin

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Nope not a sophomore... try again retard. IT IS THREADCRAPPING AND I HATE DOING IT but you wont shut up. By im not posting anymore post all the crap you want about me. People already know your [horrible] reputation.


OP i am ddeply sorry and i hope you wont judge me by the way this thread went.

-Kevin

Again, and you have been told this several times - if you are going to attack people or question them or make comments about them, you can expect the same in kind.

If you cant deal with that, then dont do it! Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[Shenkoa]

What about overclocking the Celeron D 2.66??? Will have to use a thermal pad vs. Silver based thermal paste.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

the Sempron 3100 costs $30 more, and offers superior performance. plus its OCing yeild,if your open to it, offer MUCH more. its also not built around and old, dead end socket. i'm not sure why this is such a hard choice, it seems pretty obvious to me..

 

[Mloot]

If you are going to be doing any overclocking, I would definitely recommend some kind of thermal paste over the pad. Some of the silver based pastes, such as Arctic Silver, are electrically conductive, so you have to be a little careful that you only get it on the CPU's heatspreader. IIRC, Arctic Silver 5 is considered to be the best thermal paste. However, if you want something that performs almost as well (but is not electrically conductive), I would recommend Ceramique (made by the same company that makes AS5).

 

[Shenkoa]

Dont think your talking to a novice, of course thermal paste would yield much cooler temp's, this is my GF's PC, I am not aloud at her house due to probloms with me and her (YOU GUESSED IT) FATHER!. So I will not be able to put a new coat on. A thermal pad does not need to be changed.

I explained the risks of overclocking to her as well.

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
the Sempron 3100 costs $30 more, and offers superior performance. plus its OCing yeild,if your open to it, offer MUCH more. its also not built around and old, dead end socket. i'm not sure why this is such a hard choice, it seems pretty obvious to me..

$30 more, but the motherboard would cost more, on socket 754 dual channel memory is not an option. and socket A is just as aged as socket 478. I told my GF about overclocking and she seems interested. I was wondering if any one else has a Celery D and how high they have been able to crank its FSB.

 

[Mloot]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
Dont think your talking to a novice, of course thermal paste would yield much cooler temp's....

Well, excuse me. Your original query sounded to me like you were asking how well the Celeron will overclock using a thermal pad vs. a thermal paste. Since you're not a novice, and will be limited to using a thermal pad, then it should be obvious (to you, of course) that you just have to monitor your CPU temps while overclocking, and back off if it gets too hot.

..goes without saying...

 

[Shenkoa]

Your exused. The question is how well Celeron D's overclock in general. Yes a thermal pad will be an obstacle but hopefully a good cooler will help some.

Their are 2 factors to the D's overclocking potential.

1. The D is based off of the 31 Stage Prescott with 90 NM fabrication, very hot core in general due to an even greater voltage leakage and such a small die.

2. The Celery D works on a 533 MHz FSB, because prescott's are by nature 800 MHz FSB, this should buy some overclocking room.

Does any one here have a Celery D that they have overclocked????

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

You poorly worded your post, i understood is as asking which was better between the two, also...

Single channel doesn't matter, it still performes better without it.

A decent 754 motherboard should cost the same as a decent 478 motherboard. what did you have in mind for the celeron?

The celerons have lots of room to OC but they are fairly warm, they use about 15watts less than a full blown Prescott, so its still pretty warm. you'd probably need to consider better ram for the FSB, and better cooling.

Lastly, even at 3.8ghz a celeron will LOOSE to a stock 3.2E.

P.S. - Semprons are known to OC to 2.5ghz with ease on modest air cooling(so long as you have an Nforce board), yielding performance greater than 3.4C and 3.4E.

 

[KDKPSJ]

Shenkoa, I guess I have to ask this.. Do you even care our opinion or not?

You originally asked which one would do multitask well among Dothan 2.8 GHz, Sempron 2800+ and Barton 2500+. You misunderstood Celeron "D" stands for Dothan, but I hope you know it is not by now. And no matter how fast, Celeron is just a celeron as long as its P4-based (Willamette, Northwood, Prescott), especially about multitask that you consider most. All the people here, except you, know that Celeron is suck at multitasking. So, that's why we kept saying Barton, or even Sempron is better than any Celeron in multitask.

And now, for some reasons, it seems like you decided to go for Celeron.. The one that will never be recommended for multitasker. And the one that everyone here doesn't recommend at all for multitasker.

Just don't make this kind of thread next time, if you will never listen to the advice anyway. Such thread will just cause flame war.

 

[jimmy43]

Hi, heres a little secret that AMD doesnt want you to know... If youv noticed in many benchmarks the XP2700+ is actually faster than an XP3000+ since it's clock is faster. The ONLY difference is it has a smaller L2 cache, which is actually only used in games. It makes no real world difference at all. 0. OH and the 2700 costs exactyly the same as a 2500+ Barton. So, If you just want speed and you wont be playing games, look into the 2700+, its got some great value.

Hope that helps!

 

[Shenkoa]

Do you even care our opinion or not?

Not yours.

You originally asked which one would do multitask well among Dothan 2.8 GHz, Sempron 2800+ and Barton 2500+. You misunderstood Celeron "D" stands for Dothan

I have known that D stands for Dothan, but someone did not know what I was talking about so I got confused.

And no matter how fast, Celeron is just a celeron as long as its P4-based (Willamette, Northwood, Prescott), especially about multitask that you consider most. All the people here, except you, know that Celeron is suck at multitasking

The Celeron is just a P4 like you mentioned but with some things left out (Cache and lower FSB) A celery D 2.66 will do as good as a 2.4B, its not as good but it does not suck.

And now, for some reasons, it seems like you decided to go for Celeron.. The one that will never be recommended for multitasker. And the one that everyone here doesn't recommend at all for multitasker.

We need a CPU thats under $100, we need a CPU thats good at multitasking for the price. We dont need a 3800+.

Just don't make this kind of thread next time, if you will never listen to the advice anyway

It depends on the Advice, if the advice is PRO AMD then I want no part of it. I have listened to the advice very greatly and I am still not sure on what I wanna do. Its hard to decide with all the bogus crap in this thread, people causing flame wars. Felix and that one dude just went at it cause they had a difference in opinion. I am not sure why you are being such a smart elic.

but I hope you know it is not by now. . So, that's why we kept saying Barton, or even Sempron is better than any Celeron in multitask.

What is this based on, how good it can do a single task. Tell me what experients you have had with these processsors, or proof.


Thats a good idea, does any non bias person have experients with these 2 chips (2500+) (Dothan 2.66)

I was looking at Boards under $60 with onboard video and onboard audio, SATA and Dual Channel memory. If someone's finds a Nforce 2 board that matched this, please let me know. I found a good Socket 478 board with these features and a 865 chipset.

 

[Lithan]

Simple fact is that celerons are the lowest performance processors available. Celeron D didn't change this. Semprons are better than celeron D, XP's are better than semprons, the 3100+ sempron is better than them all. There are a few heavily intel optimized benches that put celerons ahead of semprons but unless you are going to be using those specific programs, Semprons will handily beat the celeron D's.

 

[Shenkoa]

If youv noticed in many benchmarks the XP2700+ is actually faster than an XP3000+ since it's clock is faster. The ONLY difference is it has a smaller L2 cache, which is actually only used in games

Thank you very much, I have decided to go with the XP 2700+ and a VIA KT400 board by MSI, I know its not the best but I also know a 2700+ should be fairly faster then a Dothan 2.66 and I will say at multitasking as well.

 

[Lithan]

I'd recommend the shuttle an35n over that MSI board.

 

[Shenkoa]

Why?

I noticed the shuttle board has better specs, exept it does not have SATA, do you think SATA is much of an improvement over IDE ATA 100?

It does not seem like it to me, I just thought I would setup something new.

 

[Lithan]

Sata is pretty useless. Only reason to get Sata is if you want a 10k rpm drive. I'm unaware of any 10k's on P-ata.

For the why, because the nf2 is a much better chipset then the VIa kt400. Kt400 is actually one of via's worse Socket A chipsets (though not as bad as kt266).

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa

Do you even care our opinion or not?

Not yours.

You already did, I was the one who let you know that Celeron D doesn't stand for Dothan, but stands for Prescott. You should thank me I fixed your wrong knowledge, don't you?

And.. if you say CPU under $100, why are you keep saying Dothan? Dothan 2.66 is not even out there, and would cost about a thousand buck if it's available.

And also, Barton 2500+ is under $100, and much better CPU overall than any Celeron, even at 3.6G. Just look around what other say and benchmarks. I don't have Celeron with me right now, but I can clearly say to stay away from it as far as you can. Just look at the Prescott with HT. Even with 1MB L2, twice than Northwood, because of 31 stage pipe-line, you can never say it's better than northwood at multitask. Therefore, Celeron D is same. It's just celeron.

Anyway, I am glad that you decided not to go for Celeron D. (If multitasking is an issue, anything other than Celeron is fine) BTW, reason why I put myself into this thread was that I am an Intel fanboy, who never likes Celeron.