Multivitamins - Your views / recommendations?

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dullard

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My diet is reasonably good, but I've suffered the odd heart palpitation which I've had confirmed is benign, so wanted to focus more on heart healthy foods and a good balance of magnesium and potassium is important.
I don't have any known deficiencies, but I do know that if I don't get regular potassium that I get major cramps while doing calf exercises at the gym. Bananas solved that about 90%. I take multivitamins with potassium when I don't have access to bananas.
 
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Mike64

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I'm a firm believer in "basic" supplementation to avoid having to spend excessive time thinking about what I eat on a daily basis, but imnrho, that stuff is definitely in the "snake oil" category unless you have very specific dietary needs and you accept quite a few very "theoretical" arguments about what are and aren't "good sources" of supplements. (Most of which "sound good" but lack any scientific in vitro or statistical basis.)

I strongly suggest you look over the Linus Pauling Institute's website (they're affiliated with the Oregon State U). Not necessarily for their bottom line recommendations, but the general discussions of the various vitamins and minerals, as well as the broader discussions of why and when you might want to take supplements. Dr. Pauling might have had a couple of somewhat "wacky" ideas, but he was by no means a quack and his namesake institute is even less "fringe" than some of his ideas/hypotheses were. There's a lot of good information and links some to other reliable sources there.
 
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RichUK

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I'm a firm believer in "basic" supplementation to avoid having to spend excessive time thinking about what I eat on a daily basis, but imnrho, that stuff is definitely in the "snake oil" category unless you have very specific dietary needs and you accept quite a few very "theoretical" arguments about what are and aren't "good sources" of supplements. (Most of which "sound good" but lack any scientific in vitro or statistical basis.)

I strongly suggest you look over the Linus Pauling Institute's website (it's affiliated with the Oregon State U). Not necessarily for their bottom line recommendations, but the general discussions of the various vitamins and minerals, as well as the broader discussions of why and when you might want to take supplements. Dr. Pauling might have had a couple of somewhat "wacky" ideas, but he was by no means a "quack" and this namesake institute is even less "fringe" than some of his ideas/hypotheses were. There's a lot of good information and links some to other reliable sources there.

Thanks, I'll take a look. But yeah, snake oil did come to mind.
 

RichUK

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I don't have any known deficiencies, but I do know that if I don't get regular potassium that I get major cramps while doing calf exercises at the gym. Bananas solved that about 90%. I take multivitamins with potassium when I don't have access to bananas.

I need to evaluate my diet, as getting the nutrients naturally will be the safer / preferable option. It's just ensuring I get the right quantity and breadth of nutrients / minerals, etc.
 

SaltyNuts

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All I know is that for years I've taken 1 multi-vitamin daily, 3 grams of vitamin C daily, and 3 big fish oil pills daily and I routinely get comments about how young I look. I'm not stopping anytime soon!
 

Xstatic1

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You take them once a week?
How do you compare their effectiveness against the other brands?

I found the label online...



I take 2 once a week. Anything more than that (for me, anyways) is excessive.

I've been using the Super Nutrition brand for years now. I've tried some of the commonly-found ones like One A Day, and Centrum.
 

Xstatic1

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My diet is reasonably good, but I've suffered the odd heart palpitation which I've had confirmed is benign, so wanted to focus more on heart healthy foods and a good balance of magnesium and potassium is important.

Have you looked into Hawthorn Berries... to drink as a tea? The berries are hard so let maybe 20-25 soak in a little bit of water inside a coffee/tea mug for a few hours, then pour hot water. Drink.
 

Mike64

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a good balance of magnesium and potassium is important.
Don't ignore calcium then, either, especially being sure not to overdo any of them in favor of the others, since they affect each other's absorption and utilization. Also zinc and vitamin D. I'm by no means suggesting you need to take supplements for all of the above, but they each do affect the way the body uses the others. Which is a broader issue to keep in mind, as well. Not so much when you get everything from food, since it's hard to seriously overdo any of them unless you're eating really excessive amounts of specific foods, but when you start taking supplements, which typically have much more of whatever nutrients they contain than you'd get at a given meal (or two), and in much higher concentrations, it becomes a bigger issue.
 

thebestMAX

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Puritans Pride ABC Plus Senior Multi and an extra Vitamin D3.

Cheap insurance and guilt asuager. Cant hurt. Now where did I put that colloidal silver?
 

iroast

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Buy fruits and vegetables based on your dietary needs. Wash them well. Throw into blender. Reap the benefits. Not as cheap and convenient as vitamins, but so much better for you.
 

Ancalagon44

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I don't have any known deficiencies, but I do know that if I don't get regular potassium that I get major cramps while doing calf exercises at the gym. Bananas solved that about 90%. I take multivitamins with potassium when I don't have access to bananas.

Multivitamins that contain potassium, will barely contain any of it. Even potassium supplements barely contain any potassium relative to our daily requirement.

Why? Potassium is dangerous if you take too much of it. You can take 2000mg of magnesium per day and just get diarrhea, but overdose on potassium and I believe you risk death.

In other words, your banana probably contains a lot more potassium than the multivitamin does.

The only supplement I take is Vitamin D. Its the only thing I know I won't get enough of without supplementation.
 

dullard

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Multivitamins that contain potassium, will barely contain any of it. Even potassium supplements barely contain any potassium relative to our daily requirement.
Multivitamins in the US go up to 99 mg of potassium. A banana has 4x that. I try to have bananas on hand at all times. But sometimes, I can't get to the store. For a few pennies a pill, it seems to do enough for me. It isn't like I'm relying on them for a life-or-death situation. But I can almost always tell on leg days at the gym when I haven't had potassium that day (in banana or pill form). My diet probably gives me almost enough and the pill/banana gets me that last bit.
 

tynopik

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I found the label online...



I take 2 once a week. Anything more than that (for me, anyways) is excessive.

I've been using the Super Nutrition brand for years now. I've tried some of the commonly-found ones like One A Day, and Centrum.


i would avoid that, waaaaayyyy too much selenium

in fact i prefer no selenium in supplements
 

Ancalagon44

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Multivitamins in the US go up to 99 mg of potassium. A banana has 4x that. I try to have bananas on hand at all times. But sometimes, I can't get to the store. For a few pennies a pill, it seems to do enough for me. It isn't like I'm relying on them for a life-or-death situation. But I can almost always tell on leg days at the gym when I haven't had potassium that day (in banana or pill form). My diet probably gives me almost enough and the pill/banana gets me that last bit.

You need 4700mg per day of potassium, so 99mg isn't really worth anything. As long as it makes you feel better, although personally I'd rather just get some more mushrooms or broccoli or something.
 

Scarpozzi

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I used to go to Vitamin World and get the Ultra Vita-Man ones... I was told by the salesfolk that the super-compressed vitamins don't breakdown as well as some of the vitamins that are less compressed and breakup in your gut to dissolve easier.

Aside from that, I think vitamins are great for B12, D, and K. Magnesium and iron can also be helpful, along with amino acids. Just remember that most of what you eat in those pills passes through your body and absorption isn't guaranteed. Eating a good diet comes first. Get bloodwork done annually and see if you need to take a prescription vitamin if you're deficient in vitamin D. (common)
 

Xstatic1

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i would avoid that, waaaaayyyy too much selenium

in fact i prefer no selenium in supplements

I take two multi-vitamins weekly (112.5 mcg of Selenium).


Per webmd.com...

The tolerable upper limit is:
  • Adults, 400 mcg per day for adults and adolescents 14 years and older.
 

KeithP

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hey are fully unregulated and can have absolutely nothing that they claim to have and can be filled with things that they don't claim to have.


https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm118079.htm
How Vitamins are Regulated
Vitamin products are regulated by FDA as "Dietary Supplements." The law defines dietary supplements, in part, as products taken by mouth that contain a "dietary ingredient" intended to supplement the diet.

Listed in the "dietary ingredient" category are not only vitamins, but minerals, botanicals products, amino acids, and substances such as enzymes, microbial probiotics, and metabolites. Dietary supplements can also be extracts or concentrates, and may be found in many forms. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 requires that all such products be labeled as dietary supplements.

In June 2007, FDA established dietary supplement "current Good Manufacturing Practice" (cGMP) regulations requiring that manufacturers evaluate their products through testing identity, purity, strength, and composition.
https://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/transparency/basics/ucm194344.htm
Dietary supplement manufacturers and distributors are not required to obtain approval from FDA before marketing dietary supplements. Before a firm markets a dietary supplement, the firm is responsible for ensuring that

  • the products it manufactures or distributes are safe
  • any claims made about the products are not false or misleading
  • the products comply with the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act and FDA regulations in all other respects
(emphasis mine)

Based on that, I would not say they are fully unregulated. They certainly couldn't have "nothing they claim to have" because that would be false and/or misleading which is prohibited.

-KeithP
 

Red Squirrel

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I figure it can't hurt. It's pretty much an exact science to try to come up with meals that cover all needed nutrients. A multi vitamin can help cover what is missed. I don't take any, perhaps I should, but I do take specific vitamins. C, D and Omega3. C is kinda an all round good vitamin to have, D because I don't get much sun due to where I live and being ginger I need to stay out of it anyway, and Omega3 is good for heart, brain, and skin and I have mild psoriasis.
 

daveybrat

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I've got a Vitamin D deficiency (very common) so i take between 2000-4000iu daily.
 

cbrunny

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I make sure I have iron in my multis. Apparently endurance athletes benefit from that.
 

daveybrat

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I make sure I have iron in my multis. Apparently endurance athletes benefit from that.

That and if you don't eat enough of these: (I don't so i also make sure i have iron in my multi)

Foods rich in iron include:
  • Red meat, pork and poultry.
  • Seafood.
  • Beans.
  • Dark green leafy vegetables, such as spinach.
  • Dried fruit, such as raisins and apricots.
  • Iron-fortified cereals, breads and pastas.
  • Peas.
 
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