Murder or self defense???

[Captante]

And, you don't think the clerk could have retreated? His best self defense argument would be that he was disoriented in the heat of the moment and not aware of route to retreat. But that's why we have trials. I think it's kind of silly to expect the prosecutor to be making self defense argument for the defendant.

I could not care less if the clerk "could have retreated" .... that scumbag deserved worse then what he got.

Being severely injured or killed is what you should expect if you pull that sort of crap.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Being severely injured or killed is what you should expect if you pull that sort of crap.

There's the rub. If the store clerk/owner? had looked like The Rock, dude would have never "pulled that crap". It was predatory behavior, but in this instance he done goofed/gravely miscalculated.

Stoked the case was dropped, but feel bad for the clerk. He has to live with this trauma now, and is likely experiencing PTSD. Regardless of the circumstances, most of us aren't going to do well in the aftermath of taking someone's life.

 

[Jaskalas]

I am going by what I see in the video. But that's why we have trials. Both sides can present evidence and he can claim self defense.

It is very clear that an innocent person was attacked by a couple, seriously stabbed, before being able to prevail in a violent life and death struggle. Against two assailants who had a weapon. The innocence of the man could not be any clearer.

Are you expecting him to wait until they finish stabbing him to death before you would allow him to defend himself?
Do you hold yourself to the same standard, are you a pacifist who would not raise a finger in your own self defense?

I cannot reconcile the facts of this case with your opposition. It appears to come from a headspace that does not recognize who the victim was. Or what rights victims have.

 

[senseamp]

I could not care less if the clerk "could have retreated" .... that scumbag deserved worse then what he got.

Being severely injured or killed is what you should expect if you pull that sort of crap.

Highly emotional and biased post.

 

[senseamp]

It is very clear that an innocent person was attacked by a couple, seriously stabbed, before being able to prevail in a violent life and death struggle. Against two assailants who had a weapon. The innocence of the man could not be any clearer.

Are you expecting him to wait until they finish stabbing him to death before you would allow him to defend himself?
Do you hold yourself to the same standard, are you a pacifist who would not raise a finger in your own self defense?

I cannot reconcile the facts of this case with your opposition. It appears to come from a headspace that does not recognize who the victim was. Or what rights victims have.

Where is he getting stabbed in the video? He grabs the knife and starts stabbing.

 

[Captante]

Highly emotional and biased post.

"Biased" based on watching the video .... also I'm 1000% "biased" towards the old guy running the store not the sacks of trash who attacked him and proud to say it.

Apparently unlike you.

 

[Captante]

I am going by what I see in the video. But that's why we have trials. Both sides can present evidence and he can claim self defense.

I cannot reconcile the facts of this case with your opposition. It appears to come from a headspace that does not recognize who the victim was. Or what rights victims have.

Think the reaction would be the same if that was his dear old grandpa defending himself? (freaking hypocrites)



Fvck the rights of some POS that attacks an old man in his store over pretty much nothing.

People who take his sort of attitude are a BIG part of the reason criminals no longer hesitate much to get violent... no repercussions!

 

[igor_kavinski]

It's like people think they have a right to violence, no matter how petty the reason.

These criminal types and Karens. Don't deserve to walk around freely.

 

[pcgeek11]

Where is he getting stabbed in the video? He grabs the knife and starts stabbing.

You obviously didn't watch the entire complete videos where the Girl Friend also had a knife and stabbed the old man in the arm.

He should have stuck her too IMO.

 

[Drach]

You obviously didn't watch the entire complete videos where the Girl Friend also had a knife and stabbed the old man in the arm.

He should have stuck her too IMO.

While PC GEEK and I come from opposites of the political spectrum, I can wholehearted agree With his assessment.
Seriously. Fuck around and find out!
Act like an asshole. Get treated like one.

 

[Vic]

Progressive Think:

Defund the Police, Jail the Worthy

Conservative think:

Lie at every opportunity, jail and kill everyone you disagree with.

Imagine actually thinking that you believe in freedom and small govt, while demanding to pay even more in taxes to the govt agents who arrested this guy for defending himself, and the courts that would have prosecuted him. But that's how incomprehensibly stupid and hypocritical the modern conservative is.

 

[Vic]

While PC GEEK and I come from opposites of the political spectrum, I can wholehearted agree With his assessment.
Seriously. Fuck around and find out!
Act like an asshole. Get treated like one.

I didn't see anyone who disagreed that it was self-defense except for one poster who didn't know his state's own self-defense and another who apparently didn't watch the video.
IMO the only reason this matter became partisan is because some people wanted it to be.

 

[Jaskalas]

Where is he getting stabbed in the video? He grabs the knife and starts stabbing.

I recall from this thread(?), a picture of the woman with a knife in a ready to use position.
I recall reports of how the victim was injured and had infected knife wounds. Photos of those.

This was a life and death struggle that two people initiated. One of the attackers lost their life in that struggle.

I contend that it was valid for the victim to take that life in self defense. As the only means of defending himself.
There is overwhelming evidence for this conclusion.
Do you need or want to further harm the victim of this crime, by prosecuting them?

Heck, I'll take it one further. The women could be charged with felony murder. Punish the attacker. Not the victim.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Conservative think:

Lie at every opportunity, jail and kill everyone you disagree with.

Imagine actually thinking that you believe in freedom and small govt, while demanding to pay even more in taxes to the govt agents who arrested this guy for defending himself, and the courts that would have prosecuted him. But that's how incomprehensibly stupid and hypocritical the modern conservative is.

Leftist think:
Lie, just lie. Lie all the damn time no matter what the subject is, just lie. Lie about what you think, lie about what conservatives think, lie about the police, lie about the government, lie about taxes...... just lie.

 

[Vic]

Leftist think:
Lie, just lie. Lie all the damn time no matter what the subject is, just lie. Lie about what you think, lie about what conservatives think, lie about the police, lie about the government, lie about taxes...... just lie.

Still projecting I see.

Name one time I lied. You can't. And you never will. Just like you still haven't been able to meet my challenge and name a single time when you've defended someone else's freedom when it didn't benefit you politically somehow. While you love it when someone loses their freedoms, or even dies, no matter how unjustly, purely because it does benefit you politically.

So fuck off, parrot.

 

[UNCjigga]

If Hochul fires the DA, maybe we'll get someone else who'll actually prosecute Trumpworld.

 

[MrSquished]

Leftist think:
Lie, just lie. Lie all the damn time no matter what the subject is, just lie. Lie about what you think, lie about what conservatives think, lie about the police, lie about the government, lie about taxes...... just lie.

You are delusional. Which party nominated and elected a guy who lies about as much as he breathes to the point it was a cult, and still continues to lie non stop, and still has huge sway with a lot of the GOP?

You will never know how Emil you are if you can't be honest about who you and your ilk are.

This is why you lot are all a clear and present danger to decency, morality and democracy itself