Muscle Building...

[Soccerman06]

I was wondering something, since the body uses testosterone and other hormones produced in the body, would it be possible to grow more/faster/bigger muscles if you had a woody on during a workout. Since Anabolic Steroids increase amount of testosterone in the body, and having a woody increases the amount of testostorone in the body, would it be an effective self-made steroid? Of course this is all considering you could keep a hard on before, throughout your weight lifting, and after to let the muscles get the full effect of the testosterone.

*caution* I am being serious, and am not implying it to be done. *caution*

 

[tommywishbone]

Negative sir. The testosterone increase required to place the body in an anabolic (growth enhancing) state is called free serum testosterone and the 'excited condition' you are describing does not significantly increase FST levels for a long enough duration or high enough levels. Also, you would ideally want to make the maximum amount of blood volume available for the muscle group you are training at that time. Having addtional blood targeted 'south of the border' would be counterproductive.

I reccommend a quick trip to Mexico for all your muscle building requirements (anabolics).

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
I was wondering something, since the body uses testosterone and other hormones produced in the body, would it be possible to grow more/faster/bigger muscles if you had a woody on during a workout. Since Anabolic Steroids increase amount of testosterone in the body, and having a woody increases the amount of testostorone in the body, would it be an effective self-made steroid? Of course this is all considering you could keep a hard on before, throughout your weight lifting, and after to let the muscles get the full effect of the testosterone.

*caution* I am being serious, and am not implying it to be done. *caution*

And if you are actually using anabolic steroids you are a flaming idiot I hope you like dying young! This is coming from a health care professional who's seen the effect of anabolic OD's in the hospital

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
I was wondering something, since the body uses testosterone and other hormones produced in the body, would it be possible to grow more/faster/bigger muscles if you had a woody on during a workout. Since Anabolic Steroids increase amount of testosterone in the body, and having a woody increases the amount of testostorone in the body, would it be an effective self-made steroid? Of course this is all considering you could keep a hard on before, throughout your weight lifting, and after to let the muscles get the full effect of the testosterone.

*caution* I am being serious, and am not implying it to be done. *caution*

And if you are actually using anabolic steroids you are a flaming idiot I hope you like dying young! This is coming from a health care professional who's seen the effect of anabolic OD's in the hospital

I never said I had steroids or have/will ever use steroids, where does it say I am using steroids? Read before flame buddy

I was only wondering if getting a woody be an alternative to to steroid use.

 

[masked1]

dont do drugs! go natural

 

[orangat]

At the risk of being flamed, anabolic steroids administered in a reasonable manner for cosmetic purposes is safe and efficient way to put on muscle.

deathbua, what happened in those anabolic od cases? Did they die of an overdose of test?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: orangat
At the risk of being flamed, anabolic steroids administered in a reasonable manner for cosmetic purposes is safe and efficient way to put on muscle.

deathbua, what happened in those anabolic od cases? Did they die of an overdose of test?

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/supplementationbasics/a/steroiddangers.htm

That article sums up about everything you need to know....basically not safe in any dose unless it's HRT and thats usually reserved for the women folk and it's usually different hormones

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
I was wondering something, since the body uses testosterone and other hormones produced in the body, would it be possible to grow more/faster/bigger muscles if you had a woody on during a workout. Since Anabolic Steroids increase amount of testosterone in the body, and having a woody increases the amount of testostorone in the body, would it be an effective self-made steroid? Of course this is all considering you could keep a hard on before, throughout your weight lifting, and after to let the muscles get the full effect of the testosterone.

*caution* I am being serious, and am not implying it to be done. *caution*

And if you are actually using anabolic steroids you are a flaming idiot I hope you like dying young! This is coming from a health care professional who's seen the effect of anabolic OD's in the hospital

How does one OD on hormones? I am aware of the potential long term effects, but can you really take too much of a hormone in a single dose? A long ester of testosterone is pretty slow acting, I can't imagine someone taking 1 shot and going into shock or something. This isn't cocaine or heroine here. It takes several weeks of continued use before the effects start to become noticeable. I don't know what would happen if someone were to inject say 10cc of a hormone all at once, but who would ever try that? Could you please elaborate on ODing on steroids? I thought they were too slow acting to really OD on.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
I was wondering something, since the body uses testosterone and other hormones produced in the body, would it be possible to grow more/faster/bigger muscles if you had a woody on during a workout. Since Anabolic Steroids increase amount of testosterone in the body, and having a woody increases the amount of testostorone in the body, would it be an effective self-made steroid? Of course this is all considering you could keep a hard on before, throughout your weight lifting, and after to let the muscles get the full effect of the testosterone.

*caution* I am being serious, and am not implying it to be done. *caution*

And if you are actually using anabolic steroids you are a flaming idiot I hope you like dying young! This is coming from a health care professional who's seen the effect of anabolic OD's in the hospital

How does one OD on hormones? I am aware of the potential long term effects, but can you really take too much of a hormone in a single dose? A long ester of testosterone is pretty slow acting, I can't imagine someone taking 1 shot and going into shock or something. This isn't cocaine or heroine here. It takes several weeks of continued use before the effects start to become noticeable. I don't know what would happen if someone were to inject say 10cc of a hormone all at once, but who would ever try that? Could you please elaborate on ODing on steroids? I thought they were too slow acting to really OD on.

Read the article I linked up, since the average joe is getting the steroids off the black market....and dont even mention BALCO, but generally most steroids arent pure, have other junk in them.....just like drug dealers dilute heroin....or ectasy, and yes it'd be hard to OD on steroids, but continued use over time could mean enough builds up in your system that you go into cardiac arrest, liver failure etc....

EDIT: Not to mention it can make your balls shrink

EDIT again: for example some people put talc powder in with heroin(to dilute the strength and be able to sell more) or if you crush oxycontin they(drug company) use talc as an inert ingredient, problem is if you injected that into a vein or muscle...well have you ever gotten talc wet?? Now imagine that if you will, in your bloodstream headed for a small vein or artery in your heart, lungs or brain and it clogs in that vein or artery....in that case I hope you said your prayers and I hope you can get to a hospital quickly...

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: orangat
At the risk of being flamed, anabolic steroids administered in a reasonable manner for cosmetic purposes is safe and efficient way to put on muscle.

deathbua, what happened in those anabolic od cases? Did they die of an overdose of test?

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/supplementationbasics/a/steroiddangers.htm

That article sums up about everything you need to know....basically not safe in any dose unless it's HRT and thats usually reserved for the women folk and it's usually different hormones

The article doesn't mention the risk of dying by OD.
So are you a "health care professional who's seen the effect of anabolic OD's in the hospital"?? as stated in your previous post?

And you're wrong about anabolic steroids being unsafe in any dose except for HRT. Using supraphysiologic doses several times above HRT in a 6-10 week cycle, anabolic steroids can be safe and efficacious. Look up Shalendar Bhasin's study

 

[CycloWizard]

I'm studying the biomechanics of muscle growth now, and everything that I've read indicates that testosterone is more of a motivator to work out than an actual chemical cause for muscle fiber development. Fibers attempt to compensate for the increased stresses encountered during workouts by expanding their diameter, effectively increasing muscle mass and reducing stress (force per unit cross-sectional area). Sure, there are chemical components to this, but I haven't found anything that indicates testosterone is an essential component. If someone can show me something on this, I'd be interested to see it.

 

[patentman]

for example some people put talc powder in with heroin(to dilute the strength and be able to sell more) or if you crush oxycontin they(drug company) use talc as an inert ingredient, problem is if you injected that into a vein or muscle...well have you ever gotten talc wet?? Now imagine that if you will, in your bloodstream headed for a small vein or artery in your heart, lungs or brain and it clogs in that vein or artery....in that case I hope you said your prayers and I hope you can get to a hospital quickly...

Its interesting to me that Talc (hydrous magnesium silicate) is used to cut heroin, as it is completely insoluble in water and alcohols and has a melting point of ~1500 C. Crack (diacetylmorphine) on the other hand, has a melting point between 180 and 240C and is solubile in water, 95% alcohol, solvent grade ether, chloroform and alkali hydroxides.

I just can't see how the talc contained in such a mixture would be injectable. I mean, the most common use of crack is by injection, where the junkie melts a pellet of the substance and injects the liquid. Given the high melting point of the talc, would it just separate out/settle to the bottom, or is the liquid moreof an emuslion?

I guess I need a crackhead or some reasearcher in the field to answer this question, as I've never actually seen the stuff.

And on a side note, if i'm in the gym and the guy on the machine next to me has a woody, I'm moving to another machine. I don't care what the beneficial effects on his workout might be.

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: orangat

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: orangat
At the risk of being flamed, anabolic steroids administered in a reasonable manner for cosmetic purposes is safe and efficient way to put on muscle.

deathbua, what happened in those anabolic od cases? Did they die of an overdose of test?

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/supplementationbasics/a/steroiddangers.htm

That article sums up about everything you need to know....basically not safe in any dose unless it's HRT and thats usually reserved for the women folk and it's usually different hormones

The article doesn't mention the risk of dying by OD.
So are you a "health care professional who's seen the effect of anabolic OD's in the hospital"?? as stated in your previous post?

And you're wrong about anabolic steroids being unsafe in any dose except for HRT. Using supraphysiologic doses several times above HRT in a 6-10 week cycle, anabolic steroids can be safe and efficacious. Look up Shalendar Bhasin's study

18 year old kid took a massive shot of anabolic steroids then went lifting/running came into the hospital with a cardiac dysrhythmia/acute MI that they were thinking was from the steroids....

And with the talc thing, while i'm not a dealer or anything like that it tends to kinda get gooey when exposed to water...i know it's insoluble but last I checked most heroin users arent going to be like hmm whats that stuff that seems to not be mixing....they'll shoot up anyways, and this is especially a problem with people who crush pills and then inject them, many pills have talc or something like it...like i was saying the oxycontin....you inject something insouble into your body, especially into a vein you run the risk of that insoluble material becoming a clot that breaks free causing pulmonary embolism, acute MI, or stroke....i saw a heroin user with just such a thing about a month ago, had a pulmonary embolism that they think was caused by some insoluble material being injected into a vein...they cant really test for such things but it was probably whatever was used to cut the heroin.

And to clarify my point on ODing on steroids, you can OD on anything but the symptomology is not going be the same for every drug...and the thing with something like steroids is that you could inject yourself a massive dose and it wouldnt show as an OD dose until you induced stress on your body....such as exercise.

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
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18 year old kid took a massive shot of anabolic steroids then went lifting/running came into the hospital with a cardiac dysrhythmia/acute MI that they were thinking was from the steroids....

And with the talc thing, while i'm not a dealer or anything like that it tends to kinda get gooey when exposed to water...i know it's insoluble but last I checked most heroin users arent going to be like hmm whats that stuff that seems to not be mixing....they'll shoot up anyways, and this is especially a problem with people who crush pills and then inject them, many pills have talc or something like it...like i was saying the oxycontin....you inject something insouble into your body, especially into a vein you run the risk of that insoluble material becoming a clot that breaks free causing pulmonary embolism, acute MI, or stroke....i saw a heroin user with just such a thing about a month ago, had a pulmonary embolism that they think was caused by some insoluble material being injected into a vein...they cant really test for such things but it was probably whatever was used to cut the heroin.

And to clarify my point on ODing on steroids, you can OD on anything but the symptomology is not going be the same for every drug...and the thing with something like steroids is that you could inject yourself a massive dose and it wouldnt show as an OD dose until you induced stress on your body....such as exercise.

If some kid dies from an improperly administered intravenous injection, its because of ignorance and stupidity not because of the anabolic steroids.
Your talc cutting scenario is pure nonsense because injectables are meant to be intramuscular not intravenous. And adulterated injectables are normally just underdosed (or just the oil), not mixed with talc or some other cutting agent which could clog needles and change the appearance of the ampules.

I challenge you to produce a study or article which concludes that OD from anabolic steroids is a known potential risk. Outside of rare freak occurances of pure stupidity, I doubt this has _ever_ happened otherwise.

You personify the double standard of the medical and pharmaceutical community. The term hormones is used when its supposed to be good and steroids when its bad. And female HRT has been proven to be worse than useless since it increases the overall risk of cancer, stroke and heart disease in the large controlled NIH study. An estimated 100,000 additional breast cancers after 10yrs in the US was extrapolated from a UK study, if that isn't a major fiasco I don't know what is.

 

[Looney]

OD on steroids? Tell that to Ronnie Coleman, who injects like $5k worth of stuff a WEEK during competive training.

 

[Legend]

OP, just look at natural ways to increase testosterone. Like squats and eating plenty of healthy fats, like walnuts.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Looney
OD on steroids? Tell that to Ronnie Coleman, who injects like $5k worth of stuff a WEEK during competive training.

I would question that, he probably runs cycles similar to what you read about real people running on BBing websites.

The only difference is his genetics give him such a high sensitivity to the drugs that the same dose has a much more pronounced effect on him than on "normal" people.

I see posts of people running 4g+ of anabolics per week, and although these guys are big, they are nowhere near the level of the top BBing pros.

I just think that's proof that more drugs does not equal more results. Ronnie is not as big as he is ONLY because of the drugs he takes.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm studying the biomechanics of muscle growth now, and everything that I've read indicates that testosterone is more of a motivator to work out than an actual chemical cause for muscle fiber development. Fibers attempt to compensate for the increased stresses encountered during workouts by expanding their diameter, effectively increasing muscle mass and reducing stress (force per unit cross-sectional area). Sure, there are chemical components to this, but I haven't found anything that indicates testosterone is an essential component. If someone can show me something on this, I'd be interested to see it.

From what I can tell, most in the field seem to think anabolics work directly on skeletal muscle... but it seems to me there's still room for doubt, too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...=Abstract&list_uids=9697826&query_hl=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...Abstract&list_uids=14684707&query_hl=4

 

[tommywishbone]

I'll add another point: As a former competetive powerlifter, bodybuilder & strenght athelete; the hardest, most important thing any bodybuilder ever learns... more important than how to train, more important than supplementation, more important than pharmacology, is how to eat like a bodybuilder. As simple as it sounds, a real bodybuilding diet takes years to acheive and is by far the single most important factor in gaining real muscle mass.

I know you never mentioned wanting to be a bodybuiler, but for what it worth; if you want to look like a bodybuilder you have to eat like a bodybuilder... and that is extremely difficult.

Now quit reading this nonsense and get in the gym!

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
I'll add another point: As a former competetive powerlifter, bodybuilder & strenght athelete; the hardest, most important thing any bodybuilder ever learns... more important than how to train, more important than supplementation, more important than pharmacology, is how to eat like a bodybuilder. As simple as it sounds, a real bodybuilding diet takes years to acheive and is by far the single most important factor in gaining real muscle mass.

I know you never mentioned wanting to be a bodybuiler, but for what it worth; if you want to look like a bodybuilder you have to eat like a bodybuilder... and that is extremely difficult.

Now quit reading this nonsense and get in the gym!

QFT. Your diet will make or break your results.

 

[orangat]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I'm studying the biomechanics of muscle growth now, and everything that I've read indicates that testosterone is more of a motivator to work out than an actual chemical cause for muscle fiber development. Fibers attempt to compensate for the increased stresses encountered during workouts by expanding their diameter, effectively increasing muscle mass and reducing stress (force per unit cross-sectional area). Sure, there are chemical components to this, but I haven't found anything that indicates testosterone is an essential component. If someone can show me something on this, I'd be interested to see it.

From what I can tell, most in the field seem to think anabolics work directly on skeletal muscle... but it seems to me there's still room for doubt, too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...=Abstract&list_uids=9697826&query_hl=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer...Abstract&list_uids=14684707&query_hl=4

Anabolic steroids 'work' on skeletal muscle and soft tissue and also to a much smaller extent organs. Even the exact mechanism of muscle growth by natural test is unknown since it sets of a myriad chain of different effects.

There are steroids which have poor androgen receptor binding but seem to work well enough. I remembered reading about a possibility of dna transcription being one factor and it might make sense because orals which generally have poor binding seem to work with similar effectiveness without splitting doses even with a short halflife.