Muscle cars - anyone have one?

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TehMac

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Ugh, all these cars are so awesome, I wish I had one, even a 1961 Chevy Impala SS would be amazing. 406 CID, jizz.

But this is my dream muscle car of all time. Slap the premium tires on this sucker, and you'd get amazing performance.

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Vetterin

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Originally posted by: BlackTigers
My dad had an Olds 442 that he had so insane, I wish I could find my scanner to post pictures of this thing.

I cannot even believe how fast this car was, apparently he was able to toss the rear end out with only a slight blip of the throttle. Nobody else would even drive it, they were too scared of it. He got rid of it because they had me. =/

My very first NEW car was a 70 442 and even though it wasn't the W30 it really was a torque monster.
 

Vetterin

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Originally posted by: AMCRambler

My pops had a 1978 Corvette. The 70's vettes were pretty weak as far as Corvette's go, but it still had a nice rumble to it. I only got to drive it two or three times before he sold it to our neighbor. If I had the dough I would have bought it from him, but I was in college and living at home and he wanted it out of the garage. Practically gave it away for $3,500. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of me in it. I think I've got one scanned in.

Edit: Found the pic of the vette with me in it, hehe. Only had the original though so I snapped a pic with the digital cam. I don't have a scanner :-(.

Vette Pic

While I still have my 85 vette (big deal), I still think the 78 pace car edition is one of the nicest looking vettes to date.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Ugh, all these cars are so awesome, I wish I had one, even a 1961 Chevy Impala SS would be amazing. 406 CID, jizz.

But this is my dream muscle car of all time. Slap the premium tires on this sucker, and you'd get amazing performance.

Front


Rear

Heh.. I remember going to the local street races (yeah, yeah, I know, but it was a past life) and seeing a guy with a car that looked a lot like this. His license plate frame read "this IS your father's Oldsmobile!"
 

TehMac

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Haha, that is awesome. Oldsmobile did make some fantastic, albeit a bit heavy, muscle cars.

The Hurst/Olds is my personal favorite. There is no reason why that car could not make 0-60 in around 4.5-4.8 seconds on modern F1 tires.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: Fatdog
I'm 75% done on my 69 Buick GS400 project. Hopefully it'll be on the street by August. I've spent more money than I wanted but I wanted it done right. Still cheaper than doing a chevelle or mopar.

Please post pics.


Originally posted by: BW86
I have a `67 Mustang now - 289. Needs a lot of work. I'll post up a few pics sometime this week

The 289 is a legendary motor. If you can put in a sports carb, it'll bump power uuuup.


 

TehMac

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Is there such a thing as a European muscle car?

Not really no. This is because muscle cars, and especially pony cars, were imitators of the European stuff, but meant to be sold cheaper and for more people.

They also had larger engines because the market in America enjoyed drag racing, whereas Europeans had a lot of country roads with the twisties.

Now, this is always repeated, how true it is, I'm not sure. I do know a lot of muscle cars had trouble going as fast for two major reasons:
-The chassis construction system in the '60's was not as advanced as now, which meant that lots of power could twist the chassis and even the body panels in a turn--the Chassis makes a big difference.
-Because these engines only had two valves per cylinder (although Zora Arkus Duntov, Father of the Corvette and one of my heroes, experimented with three valves in the 327), to get lots of power and torque meant large displacement. Large displacement meant big block engines (back in the '60's)= lots of weight = front heavy car = nose diving/burned brakes

Now of course, there were exceptions. The GT 350 with a four spd was very fast and competed with Corvettes...it sounds ridiculous today, but back then, the Mustang was about the same size/weight as the Corvette. Depending on the engine size (i.e. L88 Big Block or 327 small block) the Corvette could be a sports car or a full blown muscle car.

That's probably one of the coolest things about the 1960's...every pony/muscle car had the potential to be modified for how the owner wanted it to perform.

Small blocks and Big Blocks may have the same displacement, it has nothing to do with that, but how big/heavy the actual block is. For example, the actual engine size of the Audi 4.2L V8 is the same size as the Corvette LS9 6.2L V8.


Now, people who raced/tooled around with sports/muscle cars in the '60's, consider anything with a V8 a muscle car today. This goes for M3s, Mercs, etc. To them, muscle cars could handle, some better than others. Motor Trend did call several muscle cars "canyon carvers," which was the term for such cars, but most muscle cars had big block engines and therefore were very front heavy.

Of course, there were several aluminum engines, mostly from Chevy. Zora Duntov, brilliant man really, experimented with the concept and also experimented with a fuel injected and electronic fuel injected 427. He also tooled around with tuning the 327 as I mentioned earlier.

A lot of people think of Yenko or Shelby when they think innovation and power, but Duntov was really responsible for a lot of the innovations when it came to V8s and kept the other companies on their toes.
 

JC

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I have a '68 Roadrunner perennial project...has a fresh 440+.030, MP .557 solid cam, 727 trans. About 60% done, is kind of a driveable shell, lol!

Also have a '69 GTO hardtop 'rolling basketcase'. Just gathering parts for it for future project.

Lastly, '72 Dart Swinger. 318/904 grandma car, 83k on the clock. Still a daily driver, but have a big pile of cool stuff for this one...Indy Maxx aluminum block, Crower crank (good for 557ci), Indy EZ aluminum heads, Jerico 4-speed, etc. Someday...
 

herm0016

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i have an 85 trans am. not really muscle by our standards today, but in another 10 years it will be.
 

DietDrThunder

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If you want a car with more of a sports car handling (Corvette based suspension), muscle car looks, and better gas mileage (22 to 24mpg), you might want to look into the 1965 through 1969 Chevrolet Corvair. Don Yenko's creation, the Yenko Stingers (specially modified Chevy Corvairs), won SCCA Championships during the '60s, racing against Porshes, Corvettes, Mustangs, etc.



http://www.corvaircorsa.com/yenko01.html

These cars are inexpensive to buy, and parts are dirt cheap in comparison to the Camaros. Plus you will have something unique with it having an air cooled boxer 6 in the rear and you'll always draw a croud at car shows.









My brother bought and then spent $25,000+ on having a 1967 Pontiac GTO restored. Before the restoration he would drive it all the time. Now that it is fully restored he's afraid to drive it anywhere because someone might damage it in some way. What a shame.



 

TehMac

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I forgot about those Yenko Stingers. Those are way cool, and of course, Don Yenko was an amazing guy (RIP).

But I love Pontiac GTOs, even though they're full on muscle cars, as I recall, some suspension mods could make them handle very well--but the chassis held them back, as it did most cars.

Your brother has a damn fine pontiac, shame he doesn't drive it much.

I just want to buy a bunch of cheap muscle cars of all eras, and just restore them to high heaven.

Mercury Cyclone GTs, '73 Mach 1s, '61 Bubbletop Pontiacs/Oldsmobiles, AMCs, etc.

It'd be awesome to have a whole collection of cars that no one really values but can go vroom vroom.
 

joesmoke

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Had an 89 mustang gt hatch and a 97 cobra convertable. dont have either anymore, miss them both
 

ayabe

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My dad had a '69 Pontiac GTO Judge back in the day, ended up wrapped around a telephone pole unfortunately. He still has some pics of it somewhere, I should try to dig them up, it was yellow and just generally badass.

Something I always liked about those cars is the tach on the hood, even though it was almost unusable and they frequently broke, I just thought it was something unique and cool.

See them at the Mecum auctions from time to time, wish I was in the position to buy another for my dad...oh well...maybe some day.

Edited - Probably the 4th time I've called the GTO a Dodge and I will undoubtedly make this mistake again, Dodge Judge just sounds natural in my head.
 
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jlee

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I'd love to have one, but I'm lacking the finances and storage. :/ A buddy of mine has a 1970 Galaxie...I'd like to get something from the late 60's myself.
 

CraigRT

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I would love one and really want to get one someday.

for Mopar, either a '70 Challenger or Cuda, or 68/69 Charger

GM - 67 Stingray anyday... one of the best looking cars ever made. The 427/435 engine is a monster.

Ford... I'll pass thanks
 

radioouman

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I used to own a '68 Plymouth Barracuda and later a really nice '75 Plymouth Duster. I will own another some day.
 

TehMac

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Btw guys, here's an interesting article from Motortrend about their drive in a '70 Cuda, a '69 ZL1 Camaro (aluminum big block 427) and the Green Hornet, a fascinating experimental Shelby Mustang with electronic fuel injection.

Link to Start of the Article

Shelby Mustang Part

Electronic fuel injection + Independent Rear Suspension + 4 wheel disc brakes? Sounds incredibly awesome and innovative, especially EFI in 1968.

Personally, I'd like to build a '67 Notchback like this with dark green paint, shelby badges, IRS, and an electronic fuel injected 302 engine with 3 valves per cylinder instead of two.
 

theblackbox

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just recently sold my 66 mustang. was a fun car. it had independent front suspension from a mustang II, discs all around with power brakes, power steering, tilt wheel, a/c and a 289 with a c-4. drove very well, more like a modern car. we took it across route 66 a few years ago. best coast to coast drive ever.
used to have a 67 chevelle, a 68 satellite, and another 66 mustang.
now, if it isn't four wheel drive with good clearance, i can't use it.
closest i get to a muscle car now is the 304 in my 78 cj7.
 

cbrsurfr

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1973 Mach 1 Mustang
351 Cleveland 2V .030 over with closed chambered Aussie heads (from Power Heads)
Crane PowerMax 529551
MSD Billet dizzy w/ 6AL
Harland Sharp roller rockers 1.73
Holley 750 DP with electric choke
Weiand X-CELerator intake
C6 3 speed auto
3.89 Detroit locker
B&M Hole Shot

Getting there but she still has a ways to go. Dash is torn apart, gauges don't work, needs package tray, headliner, front valence, wheels & tires, a few bits of trim, etc...
 

Raduque

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My dad had an Olds 442 that he had so insane, I wish I could find my scanner to post pictures of this thing.

I cannot even believe how fast this car was, apparently he was able to toss the rear end out with only a slight blip of the throttle. Nobody else would even drive it, they were too scared of it. He got rid of it because they had me. =/

My dad had a big red '66 442 that was putting down some awesome power. He sold it a little before or after I was born, could never remember.

I owned a '68 Cutlass for a few years - it's was scary quick for a nearly 4000lb car. My dad an I rebuilt the 350 in it, had to be putting down at least 390hp to the ground. I miss my Cutlass.

My dad also owned, in no particular order, a '69 Chevelle SS 396 4spd, a 79 Camaro Z-28 with a 450hp firebreather of a small-block, a '74 Firebird Formula 400 that was mildly worked over, and a TON of various late 60s/early 70s Camaros before I was born.

Edit: Hrm, just realized I had already posted in this thread back in july 09. Oh well.
 
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