Music is a lot like candy

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
blah blah blah blah blah

Whatever. Keep posting shit talking about how "hard" life is as a million-dollar rapper. :roll:

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: SunSamurai
Rap = Retards Attempting Poetry.

How do you attempt poetry? you can attempt to dunk a basketball, you can attempt to swim across a lake. Poetry had no set boundaries, so the only people who would call rappers "retards attempting poetry" would be a... retard who doesn't even know what poetry is. Interesting.

Well they're not singing. They're not playing instruments. What else is left? They're talking. They're speaking their poetry. Pretty simple concept.

"It's just a bunch'a niggas talking"

-De La Soul.

They also don't fit the ignoNik mold, but he'd never know.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Crono
If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't know why people go out of their way to put down a genre of music.
Tastes are different, and one genre of music isn't inherently superior to another. Different mediums are capable of producing works of art.

Exactly. Who is to say that creating the 'New World Symphony' took any more skill, talent, or love than making 'Fuck Dat Big Booty Ho'?

well, let's be honest, here. how many involved in "Fuck Dat Big Booty Ho" would ever be capable of scoring an entire symphony, for all necessary instruments? And that's the simple question...

A New World Symphony made today would not sell, a Fuck Dat Big Booty Ho would. It's possible the dude who produces a Big Booty Hoe song could score an entire symphony, but chose to make the club song because that's where the $$$ is. Many rap producers have a degree in music, or at the least are very diverse when it comes to creating music.

An example, Dj Quik could be behind either song, I have heard some beats from him that mimicked repetitive, simple club songs. And I have heard him arrange complex melodies that don't revolve around a 4/4 loop. Quik is an exceptional producer, but I think there are quite a few in rap who could do what he does. While it obviously takes more ability to compose a symphony, it's not exactly easy to make a club song either. Very few dudes on ATOT have any experience making music. I can speak as somebody who spends a couple hours a day trying. It's definitely not as simple as it seems to people who only listen and have never been in a studio on boards. I'm on Reason right now trying to bang out a melody on my MIDI Keyboard and I'm not having much luck. Even with samples you still have to work them so they sound good.

People who hate rap will generally never change their mind. I have encountered numerous "fuck rap, it's not music, it's all "fuck the police" and disrespecting females" Had a neighbor who had that exact mentality, I let him borrow my iPod which has over 1,500 rap songs that don't contain an ounce of what he told me made up 99% of rap. He either didn't listen to any of the songs, or he did and just didn't care he was widely incorrect. Because he still kept on the same shit even after I proved him wrong.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: effowe
Hub of the Roots has a music degree from Carnegie Mellon.

:thumbsup: !

 

[n yusef]

I'm disappointed that you have all fell into Nik's trap. An artist does not need a college degree, proficiency at guitar, or respect for law enforcement. Some rappers may have these things, but the majority do not. By finding and posting that one rapper who likes the police, you are accepting Nik's frame; that is, to be a good musician, one must like the cops, have high SAT scores, a non-journalism four-year college degree, etc.

This thread sucks.

 

[nakedfrog]

I think it was his contention that they're not musicians at all.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I know New York used to have underground rap on the radio on shows like Underground Garage

I think you mean the Underground Railroad. It's hosted by Jay Smooth on WBAI every Saturday at midnight. Jay also runs a great vlog. Here's one episode about gold chains.

 

[effowe]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I'm disappointed that you have all fell into Nik's trap. An artist does not need a college degree, proficiency at guitar, or respect for law enforcement. Some rappers may have these things, but the majority do not. By finding and posting that one rapper who likes the police, you are accepting Nik's frame; that is, to be a good musician, one must like the cops, have high SAT scores, a non-journalism four-year college degree, etc.

This thread sucks.

That wasn't the point of posting links. The point was that he was saying that these people do not exist. I was refuting his argument by proving that they do, in fact, exist.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I'm disappointed that you have all fell into Nik's trap. An artist does not need a college degree, proficiency at guitar, or respect for law enforcement. Some rappers may have these things, but the majority do not. By finding and posting that one rapper who likes the police, you are accepting Nik's frame; that is, to be a good musician, one must like the cops, have high SAT scores, a non-journalism four-year college degree, etc.

This thread sucks.

I didn't post in this thread with the intention of disrupting anything. I didn't intend to "trap" anyone into anything. Your passive aggressive post, while entertaining, is still garbage.

It seems like people would much rather believe that their obscure backwoods no-name artist is the king of rap and the head of the pack and throw personal insults whenever someone insults their taste in music. Oh noes, someone said rap is teh suck? GRAB TEH PITCH FORKS AND TORCHES!! :roll:

Plain and simple, mainstream defines the genre. If mainstream means your typical low-brow fuk da po-leece then well guess what. There are some great examples of what rap can be, but still isn't. Until the vast majority of the rap genre gets bumped up a few dozen IQ points, it's still going to be the same old club-thumping fuk u imma kill you foo imma bussa cap and nig-this and nig-that.

I've listened to many examples posted in this thread and I like several of them. I just wish that all these magical genre-changing artists would come out of hiding. Sorry, but the examples posted in this thread are good, but they aren't what today's rap has evolved into and that is what I dislike.

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I think it was his contention that they're not musicians at all.

Ding!

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I think it was his contention that they're not musicians at all.

Whether Nik's point was that rappers are not musicians, or that they are bad musicians, it's still silly to rebut it with SAT scores.

If you agree that hip-hop is music, then show Nik some music, and tell him to fuck off if he's still a hater.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I think it was his contention that they're not musicians at all.

Whether Nik's point was that rappers are not musicians, or that they are bad musicians, it's still silly to rebutt this with SAT scores.

If you agree that hip-hop is music, then show Nik some music, and tell him to fuck off if he's still a hater.

Ugh, there's another wonderful abortion from the rap culture. Calling people "haters." :roll:

My question about going to college and all that was more a point of looking for self respect for themselves, showing ambition, the capacity for education, the will to better themselves, attempt to become a constructive member of society, etc. That's what I'm looking for with a simple college question.

 

[gwai lo]

So Nik defines genres by their mainstream component.

Everyone defines genres as..well..the genre in its entirety and have been making arguments under this definition.

...so..what was the point of all of this..

 

[effowe]

Originally posted by: Nik
Plain and simple, mainstream defines the genre. If mainstream means your typical low-brow fuk da po-leece then well guess what. There are some great examples of what rap can be, but still isn't. Until the vast majority of the rap genre gets bumped up a few dozen IQ points, it's still going to be the same old club-thumping fuk u imma kill you foo imma bussa cap and nig-this and nig-that.

I've listened to many examples posted in this thread and I like several of them. I just wish that all these magical genre-changing artists would come out of hiding. Sorry, but the examples posted in this thread are good, but they aren't what today's rap has evolved into and that is what I dislike.

Well I will agree with you on this point, the majority of mainstream rap is manufactured to the lowest common denominator. This is also why I don't bother listening to it, because it is shit. I've provided some examples of artists that I like, and while they do have a considerable underground following, many of them will just not be able to break through into the mainstream. The majority of the public does not want cerebral lyrics that they actually have to think about to digest. They want the booty shaking, club bouncing beats. I'm glad you at least gave it a shot, and *gasp*, actually liked some of it. Maybe your mind wasn't as closed as I originally thought

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

I don't know how anyone can seriously assess a whole genre of music based on what plays on the radio or in clubs. By that standard, almost all new music is shit. The labels responsible for fluff and garbage pay to get radio play; it doesn't mean this music actually provides any insight into other artists that share shelf space in the record store. You could make the same statements about metal, rock, pop, you name it. This is a completely absentminded argument.

 

[imported_six]

I hated hearing "Ice Cream Paint Job" (Cream on the inside clean on the outside) on the radio and often wonder what idiots would like it. Then I saw it performed this past weekend at an autoshow, and it was great live. Though, I don't think it matters what the lyrics are; the guy could have said anything, because the song has a really good beat to it.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Beev
Rappers have absolutely zero musical talent.

Not true.

Writing lyrics is not music. One could argue that they're good with rhythm, but so is any junior high school drummer, to say nothing of being classically trained or having the ability to play an instrument.

Or have a college education.

Or even graduate fucking high school.

That doesn't have a damn thing to do with what I said.

What rapper does anything on his own besides write lyrics? Someone else presses play on the drum machine. Ohhhhh look at all that talent just dripping off of the rapper!

Look up Bobby Ray. Guitarist, keyboardist, producer, rapper, singer, songwriter. Much more talent than anyone on these boards.
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