MUSLIM RAGE

[straightalker]

.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

yeah right,
watch the episode of jackass when one of the dudes dresses in the devil outfit

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

yeah right,
watch the episode of jackass when one of the dudes dresses in the devil outfit

Hundreds of Christians protest and/or burn pictures of the actors of Jackass because of it?

 

[imported_dna]

The rage is because they are preprogrammed to react that way -- all the time spent in sermons conducted by some hate spewing cleric really manifest themselves when the right buttons are pressed.

I'm not going to get into an argument on which is the better religion, since I'm sure that you could raise up Christians in such a manner that will yied extreme reponses given the "right" trigger. Fact is, that people in the Islamic world are much more likely to have violent reaction than Christians or Jews. Once you have people so easily manipulated by religious beliefs, you can wield that power for your own political advantage.

What they need is the equivalent of the separation of Church and State, since without that no person that is preceived as an authority on religious matters can be held accountable. Going against the word of god can be a painful thing, as some scientist found out hundreds of years ago when they dared argue the world was not the center of the universe (just a random example).

 

[Tom]

Somebody told them they are scary, and they believed it.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

 

[alchemize]

Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

 

[Aisengard]

If Honor/Face/dignity is everything, when will someone stand up and tell them that they are losing it when they react violently to accusations of violence?

And if one actually read the sermon, it was not about Islam being evil at all. They weren't even the Pope's words!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

So if I understand your post, you're saying that liberals are wrong, that poverty and occupation and manipulation have "very little" to do with terrorists...that instead the major factors include poverty, occupation and manipulatoin. Okaaay!

 

[babylon5]

If your culture's women are mostly covered up head to toe, you'd be mad as hell with all the sexual energy turn to rage!

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dna
The rage is because they are preprogrammed to react that way -- all the time spent in sermons conducted by some hate spewing cleric really manifest themselves when the right buttons are pressed.

I'm not going to get into an argument on which is the better religion, since I'm sure that you could raise up Christians in such a manner that will yied extreme reponses given the "right" trigger. Fact is, that people in the Islamic world are much more likely to have violent reaction than Christians or Jews. Once you have people so easily manipulated by religious beliefs, you can wield that power for your own political advantage.

What they need is the equivalent of the separation of Church and State, since without that no person that is preceived as an authority on religious matters can be held accountable. Going against the word of god can be a painful thing, as some scientist found out hundreds of years ago when they dared argue the world was not the center of the universe (just a random example).

While I might agree that Christians and Jews seem less likely to lash out for (what they claim to be) religious reasons than Muslims, I strongly disagree with the idea that Christians and Jews are any harder to manipulate through their religious beliefs for political purposes. Most of the more fundamentalist Christians in the US, for example, have somehow been convinced that Republicans represent everything Christian about this country, and voting against them is a sin of some kind. The fact that they are basically ignoring what Jesus tried to teach them seems to be lost on them. I'd argue that those people are being manipulated just like a lot of Muslims in the Middle East, the only real difference is that the people doing the manipulation want different things. The differences between the regions have a lot less to do with the specifics of the religions or the intelligence of the faithful as they do with the fact that Bush, as bad as he is, is still much better than Osama bin Laden.

Religion is a fine thing, but it is not a substitute for rational thought...and people from all over the world, of all faiths, seem to have some trouble with that concept. The only religion I can think of that can reasonably claim an exception would be Buddhism, as it is the only major religion I know of that actually encourages thinking for yourself about all topics, even (or perhaps especially) relegion. It's been a while since I've been to church, but my recollection is that being a good Christian (or Jew or Muslim for that matter) does not involve a lot of that.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

So if I understand your post, you're saying that liberals are wrong, that poverty and occupation and manipulation have "very little" to do with terrorists...that instead the major factors include poverty, occupation and manipulatoin. Okaaay!

I was wondering the same thing!

Look, I tend to defend Muslims as a whole in this forum. I really have no self-interest in doing so, other than I prefer not to see an entire group of people unnecessarily maligned. But the OP is right to observe that some Muslims do indeed seem full of rage and Al is on to something, as the basis for that rage is a complex mix of factors.

I think if you look at the little Pakistani kids rocking back and forth in some Madrasa while being forced to memorize the Koran, it doesn't take much to imagine that same kid a dozen years later out in the street burning stuff and protesting because some local cleric told him that the Pope blasphemed Allah.

Me? I don't really care what words come out of the Pope's mouth. Why the Pakistanis can't do the same thing is beyond me.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

And they will lose because of this:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

That is what allows these students to do this with government protection and not fear ending up like this.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

So if I understand your post, you're saying that liberals are wrong, that poverty and occupation and manipulation have "very little" to do with terrorists...that instead the major factors include poverty, occupation and manipulatoin. Okaaay!

I was wondering the same thing!

Look, I tend to defend Muslims as a whole in this forum. I really have no self-interest in doing so, other than I prefer not to see an entire group of people unnecessarily maligned. But the OP is right to observe that some Muslims do indeed seem full of rage and Al is on to something, as the basis for that rage is a complex mix of factors.

I think if you look at the little Pakistani kids rocking back and forth in some Madrasa while being forced to memorize the Koran, it doesn't take much to imagine that same kid a dozen years later out in the street burning stuff and protesting because some local cleric told him that the Pope blasphemed Allah.

Me? I don't really care what words come out of the Pope's mouth. Why the Pakistanis can't do the same thing is beyond me.

I think the real issue is the level at which religion has infused itself with the government in the Middle East. It does not seem like a problem with the particular religion so much as with the amount of influence religion has on every aspect of life, most people probably remember that the west wasn't quite so pleasant when the religious people were running things like they are in the Middle East. The argument is often made that religion is a moderating and civilizing factor, but there is little evidence to support that theory...civilization seems to come from seperating religion from government, and the least civilized places seem to have a little too much religion for their own good.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

The abused very often become the abuser. This is a circle by which people evolve. So it is no wonder that when living under brutality that these people themselves become brutal.

They will not rest until we are all consumed by this brutality and until we all covert or die to Sharia law.

 

[ProfJohn]

Remember the Da Vinci Code? A movie that claimed Jesus had a child and was married. And that the church hide that from view and killed people in doing so. Remember all the outrage when Hollywood attacked this basic belief of Christians?
Remember all the movie theaters that were burnt down, or the mass marches and burning of effigies of Tom Hanks?? hmmm me neither.

That movie was a pretty serious attack on basic Christian beliefs, but there was no great movement of violence around the world, and yet time and time again we see Muslims erupt into violence.

Remember the mess with the cartoons and all the riots and burning there. How many of you know that the cartoons appeared in an Egyptian newspaper months before hand and there was no great outcry, but have a Danish paper print them and the world comes to an end.

This small group of radical Muslims, mostly Washbasin followers, are giving all Muslims a bad name. Just like the people who bomb and shot apportion Doctors in the name of god give Christians a bad name.

It is going to take years, maybe even a generation, in order to turn this around and get Muslims to accept the idea of religious freedom. It took the west years and several wars before we got over our religious battles, lets hope it doesn't take that long in the middle east.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

There was a study that claimed that poverty doesn't make terrorists that supports your claim. It was posted here a year or two ago, too.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or

Tell that to the Romans....

Catholics, Christians, Muslim, etc...etc... are all organised religions designed to brain wash you to some point. Any organised religion that says it is better then other is going to go into a rage or worse... a War.

Get over it, you are no better off telling us or the whole world that only your religion is going to make it to heaven. A little reality check for you, there is no heaven... Your body will go back in the ground and become fertilizer so deal with it and enjoy life right here and now because this is it. There is no after life.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or

Tell that to the Romans....

Catholics, Christians, Muslim, etc...etc... are all organised religions designed to brain wash you to some point. Any organised religion that says it is better then other is going to go into a rage or worse... a War.

Get over it, you are no better off telling us or the whole world that only your religion is going to make it to heaven. A little reality check for you, there is no heaven... Your body will go back in the ground and become fertilizer so deal with it and enjoy life right here and now because this is it. There is no after life. -- proof other than your flawed human reasoning?

 

[Aisengard]

In all fairness, I seem to remember some die-hard Christians having a bonfire of the Harry Potter books, because they thought magic was the devil.

Just saying. Still, these crazy, insane, and seemingly typical Muslims are not helping their case one bit when they complain about people drawing Muhammed and the Pope mentioning a guy who once said bad things about Muhammed, and then attack embassies, churches and burn effigies of a sacred Christian symbol. There's a lot of hypocrisy in the world, but this is pretty up there in terms of magnitude.

 

[Wheezer]

A little reality check for you, there is no heaven... Your body will go back in the ground and become fertilizer so deal with it and enjoy life right here and now because this is it. There is no after life--- proof other than your flawed human reasoning?

Kool!....soo who exactly did you talk to that told you there was no after life? I mean for you to be so absolutely positive and to make a bold statement, you gotta have the proof right...SOMEONE had to come back from the dead to tell you....right?

Those that have the faith there is something greater, have exactly that...faith...they believe that there is something greater than themselves.

All religions believe this way, not just Christians or Muslims.

It is not always about facts, there are no facts that show positive proof of alien life either, nor is there absolute proof that humanity got it's start from some cosmic soup. There is room for more than one theory and your opinion and belief that there is no afterlife has no more proof than any of the other theories that I stated.

You can be strong in your convictions but dont confuse them with facts....you know like the relgious ones who believe so stongly in the creation theory that no other is plausible.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

No it isn't you are making total generalizations about a religion in which you know very little to nothing about.

The indians did have "terrorist movements" but surely you can't call them terrorists for resisting the taking of their land! That and the "white man" engaged in wan ton slaughter of them...how can you not understand their situation!

Worship of a singular God without any other partners, idols or anything that may taint the image of a indivisible God is EVERYTHINNG in Islam.
Surah Al-Ikhlas
Bssm Allah and Rahman Al Raheem
Qul Hua Ala-hu Ahad
Ala-hu samad
lam yeled alem yooled
walem yakun la-hou kufu-wen ahad
((((here is some crappy translation))))
In the name of God, the most gracious the most merciful,
say: god is the only one
the eternal\absolute
he has not been beget, nor does he beget
and there is no one like him

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

So if I understand your post, you're saying that liberals are wrong, that poverty and occupation and manipulation have "very little" to do with terrorists...that instead the major factors include poverty, occupation and manipulatoin. Okaaay!

Your reading comprehension is influenced by your partisanship. I'm saying that Face/dignity/honor and a fundamentalist religious society are THE primary and KEY factors, and poverty/occupation/manipulation are far behind as secondary. Again, I reference the previous groups mentioned as examples.

If you combined islam* with Native Americans/aborigines/, I would guess you would have lots of terrorism. Islam* is the common thread

(*again, as it stands today under it's current interpretation).

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

No it isn't you are making total generalizations about a religion in which you know very little to nothing about.

The indians did have "terrorist movements" but surely you can't call them terrorists for resisting the taking of their land! That and the "white man" engaged in wan ton slaughter of them...how can you not understand their situation!

Worship of a singular God without any other partners, idols or anything that may taint the image of a indivisible God is EVERYTHINNG in Islam.
Surah Al-Ikhlas
Bssm Allah and Rahman Al Raheem
Qul Hua Ala-hu Ahad
Ala-hu samad
lam yeled alem yooled
walem yakun la-hou kufu-wen ahad
((((here is some crappy translation))))
In the name of God, the most gracious the most merciful,
say: god is the only one
the eternal\absolute
he has not been beget, nor does he beget
and there is no one like him

Native American's don't have "terrorist movements" today. How do you explain that? Sorry, but time machines are not part of a debate. It's September 17, 2006.

And yes, a singular god is everyting to Islam, and that's why it's fvcked up. It comes before logic and reason and common sense, it comes before equal and human rights for all people and sexes, it comes before peace and tolerance and non-violence, it comes before rational thought.

 

[magomago]

I would say a singular god IS logic, reason, and common sense and ultimately rational thought.

And what does it have to deal with equal human rights for all people and sexes if we are talking ultimately about the nature of God? Nothing really, but I suppose it sounds good in a sentence.

My point stands that "face" is nothing in Islam and is ultimately meaningless.

If anything "Honor" "face" "dignity" is everything in MANY cultures. This isn't restrcited to Arab culture or even the extremes of Afghani culture. Chinese culture is just as whack in this respect and even takes it a few steps further than the Afghanis, and this is something that persists to this day.