MUSLIM RAGE

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or

Tell that to the Romans....

Catholics, Christians, Muslim, etc...etc... are all organised religions designed to brain wash you to some point. Any organised religion that says it is better then other is going to go into a rage or worse... a War.

Who died nearly two thousand years ago, which the only point to take from it is that people were more barbaric. How is this relevant, unless to mention perhaps that all except one religion has evolved with the world since those times.

Here at home we jail those who act out violently and we preach for people to be peaceful. That is the entire difference between us and those demanding we convert. If you do not already recognize that then you?re too tainted waging civil war against the other political party to notice the good in your own home.

Try being a 16 year old Iranian girl if you think we are so evil a country and if you think they aren?t filled with violent barbarism.

I stand by what the pope said; their actions always have and continue to be self evidence. The spreading of this violence is what is at stake if we do not confront it and at very least state the obvious.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: magomago
I would say a singular god IS logic, reason, and common sense and ultimately rational thought.

And what does it have to deal with equal human rights for all people and sexes if we are talking ultimately about the nature of God? Nothing really, but I suppose it sounds good in a sentence.

My point stands that "face" is nothing in Islam and is ultimately meaningless.

If anything "Honor" "face" "dignity" is everything in MANY cultures. This isn't restrcited to Arab culture or even the extremes of Afghani culture. Chinese culture is just as whack in this respect and even takes it a few steps further than the Afghanis, and this is something that persists to this day.

You are correct, Face/Honor/Dignity is a big deal to the Chinese and many asians. But of course, they don't have a fundamentalist religion throwing gasoline on the fire of that particular sensitivity.

Your post also of course assumes that your god sets the rules. Perhaps the Flying Spaghetti Monster is correct, in that only pasta makers are truly divine and all others are sub-human and should be treated accordingly.

 

[Jaskalas]

Should we appease violence then, out of fear that they might kill people?

Imagine if police did that, the streets would be utterly lawless. Ergo the result of such an attitude on the Middle East.

My response to the Middle East is that the violent should be jailed or killed. We should not apologize to them for their threats to cut off our heads.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I think the real issue is the level at which religion has infused itself with the government in the Middle East. It does not seem like a problem with the particular religion so much as with the amount of influence religion has on every aspect of life, most people probably remember that the west wasn't quite so pleasant when the religious people were running things like they are in the Middle East. The argument is often made that religion is a moderating and civilizing factor, but there is little evidence to support that theory...civilization seems to come from seperating religion from government, and the least civilized places seem to have a little too much religion for their own good.

Absolutely. Furthermore, this reasoning should give Americans pause the next time evangelical Christians decide that this country needs more of their particular brand of religion forced onto the public at-large. Or the next time Bush uses his veto powers for purely ideological purposes. Etc. You get the idea...

 

[Aisengard]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Nun_murdered_in_Somalia_after_Pope%27s_speech

An elderly nun was shot dead by unidentified attackers in a hospital in Islamist-controlled Somalia.

Muslim leaders in the region have demanded that Muslims "hunt down" and kill the Pontiff. They have also told worshippers that "whosoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim". The attack comes in the wake of a speech made by the Pontiff on Tuesday in which he quoted a 14th Century Christian emperor who said the Prophet Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things.

Just more insanity from the "tolerant" and "peace-loving" Muslims. So when do the Muslim apologists get so worked up over this stuff?

 

[imported_dna]

Since non-muslims are corrupt animals, I guess someone went on a holy hunting expedition.

 

[DealMonkey]

Wow, that's insane. Especially given that the Pope has already apologized:

CASTEL GANDOLFO, Italy -- Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday that he was "deeply sorry" about the angry reaction to his recent remarks about Islam, which he said came from a text that didn't reflect his personal opinion.

"These (words) were in fact a quotation from a Medieval text which do not in any way express my personal thought," Benedict told pilgrims at his summer palace outside Rome.

 

[Moonbeam]

There is a great deal of rage about Muslim rage. How would you feel if a bunch of religious fanatics threatened to destroy all the progress civilization has made and turn the clock back to year one? Don't you also think you would be upset and, yourself, become a little fanatical? When evil threatens to overwhelm what is good and wipe it from the face of the earth all that is required for success is that good men do nothing. If you can understand this, perhaps you can expand your thinking. You are and create the person you hate.

 

[DealMonkey]

So ... you're outraged by the outrage?

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There is a great deal of rage about Muslim rage. How would you feel if a bunch of religious fanatics threatened to destroy all the progress civilization has made and turn the clock back to year one? Don't you also think you would be upset and, yourself, become a little fanatical? When evil threatens to overwhelm what is good and wipe it from the face of the earth all that is required for success is that good men do nothing. If you can understand this, perhaps you can expand your thinking. You are and create the person you hate.

Quite utterly wrong. Even as people here are "outraged" by these outrageous outrages, people are engaging in written or oral dialogue and not burning down their local mosque for example in reaction. And I have yet to see any violent backlash or reaction towards the muslim rage have you? So go back to pretending to use convolution as a veil for insight.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There is a great deal of rage about Muslim rage. How would you feel if a bunch of religious fanatics threatened to destroy all the progress civilization has made and turn the clock back to year one? Don't you also think you would be upset and, yourself, become a little fanatical? When evil threatens to overwhelm what is good and wipe it from the face of the earth all that is required for success is that good men do nothing. If you can understand this, perhaps you can expand your thinking. You are and create the person you hate.

Quite utterly wrong. Even as people here are "outraged" by these outrageous outrages, people are engaging in written or oral dialogue and not burning down their local mosque for example in reaction. And I have yet to see any violent backlash or reaction towards the muslim rage have you? So go back to pretending to use convolution as a veil for insight.

Please give me a break. You mean to tell me you are going to stay home and read your Bible or your Little Red Book when the Muslim horde sweeps through your neighborhood killing and burning infidels? Your pretense at moderation is exactly what I refereed to, the lack of action of good men, and is, in my opinion, skin deep. At the first sight of blood I'm sure you'll quite lose your mind.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or

Tell that to the Romans....

Catholics, Christians, Muslim, etc...etc... are all organised religions designed to brain wash you to some point. Any organised religion that says it is better then other is going to go into a rage or worse... a War.

Get over it, you are no better off telling us or the whole world that only your religion is going to make it to heaven. A little reality check for you, there is no heaven... Your body will go back in the ground and become fertilizer so deal with it and enjoy life right here and now because this is it. There is no after life.

And the right for you not believe in heaven and his to believe in heaven and for both of you to publicly proclaim it without having to go into hiding can only happen in a secular state where religion is kept separate from government.

Today though I see more and more politically correct, fair weather atheists who don't think twice about criticizing christianity publicly but abstain from the same practice with Islam and using every excuse under the sun but the real one which is the fear of physical retribution to themselves. It is a shame because people died in order to have that freedom which is taken for granted today and few would lift a finger to defend it if means personal sacrifice.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

There was a study that claimed that poverty doesn't make terrorists that supports your claim. It was posted here a year or two ago, too.

here is another pretty decent empirical study of Terrorism: Understanding Terror Networks - by Marc Sageman

I read it a few years ago. it's definately an eye-opening read for those who still have many misperceptions regarding terrorists, and what makes them. check it out:

Sageman, a University of Pennsylvania professor of psychiatry and ethnopolitical conflict, applies his varied experience and skills to build an empirical argument for the socio-psychological reasons why someone would join an organization such as al-Qaeda. As an officer in the Foreign Service in the late '80s, Sageman worked closely with Islamic fundamentalists during the Afghan-Soviet war and gained an intimate understanding of the development, form and function of their networks. Sageman wrote this book in order to dispel incorrect assertions about terrorist networks made by so-called experts. Using public documents, Sageman tells us that the motivation to join a militant organization does not necessarily stem from extreme poverty or extreme religious devotion but mostly from the need to escape a sense of alienation. He also disproves conventional wisdom that terrorist groups employ a "top-down" approach to recruiting, showing instead that many cells evolve from friendships and kinships and that the seeds of sedition grow as certain members of a cell influence the thinking of the others.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

There was a study that claimed that poverty doesn't make terrorists that supports your claim. It was posted here a year or two ago, too.

here is another pretty decent empirical study of Terrorism: Understanding Terror Networks - by Marc Sageman

here is the abstract... it's definately an eye-opening read for those who still have many mispreceptions regarding terrorists, and what makes them. check it out:
Sageman, a University of Pennsylvania professor of psychiatry and ethnopolitical conflict, applies his varied experience and skills to build an empirical argument for the socio-psychological reasons why someone would join an organization such as al-Qaeda. As an officer in the Foreign Service in the late '80s, Sageman worked closely with Islamic fundamentalists during the Afghan-Soviet war and gained an intimate understanding of the development, form and function of their networks. Sageman wrote this book in order to dispel incorrect assertions about terrorist networks made by so-called experts. Using public documents, Sageman tells us that the motivation to join a militant organization does not necessarily stem from extreme poverty or extreme religious devotion but mostly from the need to escape a sense of alienation. He also disproves conventional wisdom that terrorist groups employ a "top-down" approach to recruiting, showing instead that many cells evolve from friendships and kinships and that the seeds of sedition grow as certain members of a cell influence the thinking of the others.

That sounds like the British Tube bombers since they were neither poor nor publicly radical and had a full western education and upringing, and I would add young and single. I would think it would be much harder to recruit someone with a wife and kids and the thought of abandoning them.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
That sounds like the British Tube bombers since they were neither poor nor publicly radical and had a full western education and upringing, and I would add young and single. I would think it would be much harder to recruit someone with a wife and kids and the thought of abandoning them.

you may be surprised as to how many of the world's most famous and dangerous terrorists fit that dame description. I highly recommend the book. It's certainly a different method of studying the subject at hand and worth thinking about when discussing the very roots of the problem.

now, one thing to remember is that the book was written pre-Iraq II, so the two types of terrorism must be considered seperately. The foreigners who travel to Iraq to fight against the US -may- fit the profile, but they may also be doing so for entirely different reasons these days. In my mind, the foreign fighters fueling the fires in Iraq are EXACTLY the same as those during the 1980's who just wanted to "do their Muslim duty" and get some "cool points" for fighting the so-called "jihad."

Those who have been there will tell you one sad fact: alot of the foreign fighters whom we capture over there are scared beyond the norm. For one, they know that Gitmo may await them. Second, they didnt expect the fight to be so brutal. Many of them who show up through Syria or Iran awaken to the terrors of actual battle and want nothing more to do with it. They BEG us to just send them back to wherever their home is. they consistently tell us about how their leadership simply handed them a rifle and threw them outside to become meaningless cannon fodder. They nearly all say the same things like "We didnt know that it would be like this," or "we just wanted to be good Muslims."

So, like I said, the making of actual terrorists probably differs from what you see in Iraq. The palestinian bombers are probably a different story as well. But, you are not wrong when you state that a large number of the major terrorists are well-educated men who may be young, single, and just looking for somewhere to fit in.

it's all very scary, but very real.

 

[straightalker]

I think we need to consider some of the physiological aspects of EXTREME RAGE.

"Muslim EXTREME RAGE" should have been the title of this thread but it's too late to change it now. So then that said, what could be some of the physiological reason for such a high level of what is essentially an "infinite anger" or a "quazi state of partial insanity" of some sorts?

The "rage response auto reflex" is registered mainly in the Medulla Oblongata, which is nicknamed "the reptilian brain", because many of the most basic auto response impulses are created there, where the spinal chord thickens and forms a large stem at the base of the brain.

Basicly. And i'm not trying to be sarcastic here. Something is just triggering the rage-response auto-reflex within the nerve centers of the reptilain brain area of Muslims.

...comments?

...agree? ...disagree?

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There is a great deal of rage about Muslim rage. How would you feel if a bunch of religious fanatics threatened to destroy all the progress civilization has made and turn the clock back to year one? Don't you also think you would be upset and, yourself, become a little fanatical? When evil threatens to overwhelm what is good and wipe it from the face of the earth all that is required for success is that good men do nothing. If you can understand this, perhaps you can expand your thinking. You are and create the person you hate.

Oh, when did the pope burn Mosques and kill an Ayatollah out of rage? That's news to me.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: straightalker
Basicly. And i'm not trying to be sarcastic here. Something is just triggering the rage-response auto-reflex within the nerve centers of the reptilain brain area of Muslims.

Get them young.

EDIT: Damn! You can find some really interesting stuff at YouTube.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Nun_murdered_in_Somalia_after_Pope%27s_speech

An elderly nun was shot dead by unidentified attackers in a hospital in Islamist-controlled Somalia.

Muslim leaders in the region have demanded that Muslims "hunt down" and kill the Pontiff. They have also told worshippers that "whosoever offends our Prophet Mohammed should be killed on the spot by the nearest Muslim". The attack comes in the wake of a speech made by the Pontiff on Tuesday in which he quoted a 14th Century Christian emperor who said the Prophet Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things.

Just more insanity from the "tolerant" and "peace-loving" Muslims. So when do the Muslim apologists get so worked up over this stuff?

Wow that's not exactly helping their cause...I think the Middle East will be a lot better place once people put down the religion and use their God damned brains (not pun intended). There is something about "deep religious faith" that just makes people dumber than rocks, especially in the Middle East.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: straightalker

Basicly. And i'm not trying to be sarcastic here. Something is just triggering the rage-response auto-reflex within the nerve centers of the reptilain brain area of religious zealots

...comments?

...agree? ...disagree?

Fixed for you.

Now I agree.

 

[piasabird]

The Muslim religion is a religion where people are taught to kill anyone who opposes them. It is not a religion of peace and undersanding it is a religion of hate and murder.

The Pope recently made some comments about Muslims and Mohamed. Immediately some muslims went and burned down some christian churches. I ask you, is this a religion of peace? I will answer for you so you can understand. No, it is not.

What if the tables were turned. What if 20 priests were dressed up and went out and burned down a Mosque? If you think that is wrong and you do not come out and tell the truth that the Muslim faith is a religion of hate and murder then you are basically either a liar or deluded.

The Facts stand on their own. Muslims went out and proved beyond a shadow of doubt that whatever the Pope said is the absolute truth. They proved it with their own hands and by their own actions. These people were taught to hate and kill. They were taught these things in a Mosque, and by their religious leaders. This is the only conclusion an honest intelligent human being can come to.

God has prepared a place for those that hate and commit murder. Its entrance stands wide open to receive all Muslims who think they can get away with these acts and all their leaders who teach them to take these kind of actions. Either you oppose these evil acts or you better be prepared to burn in Hell!

The free world should demand that these evil-doers be hunted down and thrown in jail for their actions. To do otherwise is to not be civilized! If I burnded down a local church because some preacher said something I thought was wrong, I would expect to be hunted down and thrown in jail. I expect nothing less in this same case.

If we do not oppose the actions of these people, they will keep commiting their acts of hatred against other religions. This will begin to occur in the United States if we do not oppose it elsewhere. If evil is not opposed it will flourish.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: piasabird
The Muslim religion is a religion where people are taught to kill anyone who opposes them. It is not a religion of peace and undersanding it is a religion of hate and murder.

The Pope recently made some comments about Muslims and Mohamed. Immediately some muslims went and burned down some christian churches. I ask you, is this a religion of peace? I will answer for you so you can understand. No, it is not.

What if the tables were turned. What if 20 priests were dressed up and went out and burned down a Mosque? If you think that is wrong and you do not come out and tell the truth that the Muslim faith is a religion of hate and murder then you are basically either a liar or deluded.

The Facts stand on their own. Muslims went out and proved beyond a shadow of doubt that whatever the Pope said is the absolute truth. They proved it with their own hands and by their own actions. These people were taught to hate and kill. They were taught these things in a Mosque, and by their religious leaders. This is the only conclusion an honest intelligent human being can come to.

God has prepared a place for those that hate and commit murder. Its entrance stands wide open to receive all Muslims who think they can get away with these acts and all their leaders who teach them to take these kind of actions. Either you oppose these evil acts or you better be prepared to burn in Hell!

The free world should demand that these evil-doers be hunted down and thrown in jail for their actions. To do otherwise is to not be civilized! If I burnded down a local church because some preacher said something I thought was wrong, I would expect to be hunted down and thrown in jail. I expect nothing less in this same case.

If we do not oppose the actions of these people, they will keep commiting their acts of hatred against other religions. This will begin to occur in the United States if we do not oppose it elsewhere. If evil is not opposed it will flourish.

The only requirement to achieve hell on earth is for good men to do nothing. We are doing worse than that, we are submitting to their violence and apologizing for it.

I do find it a rather obvious sign when we find excuses for violence in the Middle East but here in America we jail the violent. There could not be more anti-American biased working against us, and it?s coming entirely from here at home.

 

[reverend boltron]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

I can answer that. Because it is a demonic religion. Muslim people are great people, they're really nice and they have great hearts, except that they're deceived. That is the worst part about being deceived, you don't know you're deceived. So they get upset about things because it attacks their roots and their faith, and what they have accepted as truth.

I love muslim people, I love catholic people, I love hindu people, athiests, homosexuals, and christians alike. I do hate the sin. I hate the fact that people are being led away by what they believe as truth, and that the leading away is going to bring them to the very depths of hell because of it.

If you're going to say that you follow an Abrahamic faith, then you have to recogize a lot of the parts that go along with it. That being that sin cannot exist in the presence of God. If you're going to try to enter into that, you have to have your sins taken care of, and atoning for them won't work, because that doesn't last. Atoning is just a covering. You need to be washed clean, to get that iniquity taken away.

There's a difference between sin and iniquity. Sin is the result of acting on the desires to stray from God, whereas iniquity is the actual desire to sin. So you take care of that iniquity with the blood of Jesus. Once you are washed in that, you can boldly approach the throne of Glory. Getting washed in the blood of Jesus is the key, and without that, you aren't going to get anywhere. Now on actually how to get washed, you should read the gospels to learn about what He did, and how you can come to understand that and know it. Repenting, confessing Him as your personal Lord and Savior, and doing the will of God, etc..

Once you remove Jesus from the equation, you have no way of access to the Father. John 14:6 says, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Nobody gets to the Father except through Me." You don't get much more plain than that. When you take the diety of Jesus away and say that He wasn't the son of God, and that He didn't die on the cross, then you're taking away the salvation that He gave us. Because He wasn't sacraficed, and we're all doomed, since there is no blood to wash us; hence, there is no access to the Father.

When you recognize what it means, you recognize that you traded the grace of God, for the works of man. And we have all sinned, every single one of us, which is why we cannot be in the presence of God. Look at Isaiah who said, "Woe is me..." because he was in the presence of God and he had sin in him. His mouth was sanctified and the iniquity was removed, and he was cleaned and forgiven because of repentence. It was by the grace of God that the Angel brought the coal to his mouth with the tongs. Not by his own actions.

 

[Alaa]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Wow that's not exactly helping their cause...I think the Middle East will be a lot better place once people put down the religion and use their God damned brains (not pun intended). There is something about "deep religious faith" that just makes people dumber than rocks, especially in the Middle East.

Read more about Islam...

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Wow that's not exactly helping their cause...I think the Middle East will be a lot better place once people put down the religion and use their God damned brains (not pun intended). There is something about "deep religious faith" that just makes people dumber than rocks, especially in the Middle East.

Read more about Islam...

How many times a day do Islamists have to pray and one month out of the year they deny themselves solid foods or?

do women wear burquas because men wrote the law or because men go crazy when they see all that flesh or what?

why do muslims kill each other every year by stomping on each others skulls when going on pilgrimage.. why can't they control themselves and not act like total fanatics missing reason... they are forced from birth to be Islamists from birth and live in Islamic countries.. never really having freedom to choose to be or not be a religious fanatic