MUSLIM RAGE

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0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

There was a study that claimed that poverty doesn't make terrorists that supports your claim. It was posted here a year or two ago, too.

bingo, studies of suicide bombers are totally against his type of claims. and have been for a long time. it was cute to say such things before 9/11, you could probably get away with it as many apologists did, but after? its just too clearly absurd now. 9/11 bombers were educated, not oppressed. the london bus bombers were british not palestinians under occupation, feeling more muslim than british, and attacking their fellow citizens who had personally done nothing to them.

http://www.wpr.org/book/060903b.html
What do you call young people who strap on explosive vests and detonate them in a crowded marketplace? President Bush says they're fascist terrorists. The Western press labels them suicide bombers. But to a Muslim, particularly one who's sympathetic to their political ideology, these people are martyrs, and what they're doing makes perfect sense. In this hour To the Best of Our Knowledge takes a look at suicide bombers - why there are so many in this generation, how their families feel, and what, if anything we can do about them.

SEGMENT 1:

Robert Baer, CIA agent turned novelist is now a film-maker. His documentary is called "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber" and it's scarier than anything Hollywood is producing. Baer tells Steve Paulson about the first modern suicide bomber and how they've become heroes in Iran. He says martyrdom by suicide bombing is a political weapon not a religious act; that it's a virus and it's spreading. And we hear clips from his film. Also, novelist Louis de Bernieres tells Jim Fleming about the climate of religious toleration that marked the Ottoman Empire. De Bernieres' latest novel is "Birds without Wings."
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

There was a study that claimed that poverty doesn't make terrorists that supports your claim. It was posted here a year or two ago, too.

bingo, studies of suicide bombers are totally against his type of claims. and have been for a long time. it was cute to say such things before 9/11, you could probably get away with it as many apologists did, but after? its just too clearly absurd now. 9/11 bombers were educated, not oppressed. the london bus bombers were british not palestinians under occupation, feeling more muslim than british, and attacking their fellow citizens who had personally done nothing to them.

http://www.wpr.org/book/060903b.html
What do you call young people who strap on explosive vests and detonate them in a crowded marketplace? President Bush says they're fascist terrorists. The Western press labels them suicide bombers. But to a Muslim, particularly one who's sympathetic to their political ideology, these people are martyrs, and what they're doing makes perfect sense. In this hour To the Best of Our Knowledge takes a look at suicide bombers - why there are so many in this generation, how their families feel, and what, if anything we can do about them.

SEGMENT 1:

Robert Baer, CIA agent turned novelist is now a film-maker. His documentary is called "The Cult of the Suicide Bomber" and it's scarier than anything Hollywood is producing. Baer tells Steve Paulson about the first modern suicide bomber and how they've become heroes in Iran. He says martyrdom by suicide bombing is a political weapon not a religious act; that it's a virus and it's spreading. And we hear clips from his film. Also, novelist Louis de Bernieres tells Jim Fleming about the climate of religious toleration that marked the Ottoman Empire. De Bernieres' latest novel is "Birds without Wings."

Suicide bombers are carried out by who?
Muslims or Arab Muslims?

Does Islam talk about suicide bombings? Does it mention it in the Quran?

I know the answers, do you?
 

imported_dna

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Aug 14, 2006
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Originally posted by: Aimster
Does Islam talk about suicide bombings? Does it mention it in the Quran?

That's an asinine question; does the Koran mention AK-47s or Semtex explosive?
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

As many others have already pointed out, that "rage" is caused by religious brainwashing starting at a very young age. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is unique to Muslims (this should disturb you)

EDIT: Some background for that trailer
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: Aimster
Does Islam talk about suicide bombings? Does it mention it in the Quran?

That's an asinine question; does the Koran mention AK-47s or Semtex explosive?

what the hell does AK-47s have to do with anything?

I asked a legit question. Go to your corner and poke needles into a Muhammad doll.
 

imported_dna

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Aug 14, 2006
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Originally posted by: Aimster
what the hell does AK-47s have to do with anything?

I asked a legit question. Go to your corner and poke needles into a Muhammad doll.

Don't play dumb -- the means aren't what's important, it's the concept of becoming a martyr. Example: prior to reaching the low of suicide bombing, palestinians would simply pop-up at some bus station in Israel and shoot until they got gunned down. In either case they ended up dead for their twisted cause.

Here's a cleric talking about martydom that did not involve suicide bombing: Egyptian Cleric Sheik Muhammad Nassar Tells a Group of Children about Child Martyrdom in the Early Days of Islam (transcript).

The Koran doesn't mention anything about flying planes into buildings either, but they still managed without the guidance of the almighty Muhammed.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: Aimster
what the hell does AK-47s have to do with anything?

I asked a legit question. Go to your corner and poke needles into a Muhammad doll.

Don't play dumb -- the means aren't what's important, it's the concept of becoming a martyr. Example: prior to reaching the low of suicide bombing, palestinians would simply pop-up at some bus station in Israel and shoot until they got gunned down. In either case they ended up dead for their twisted cause.

Here's a cleric talking about martydom that did not involve suicide bombing: Egyptian Cleric Sheik Muhammad Nassar Tells a Group of Children about Child Martyrdom in the Early Days of Islam (transcript).

The Koran doesn't mention anything about flying planes into buildings either, but they still managed without the guidance of the almighty Muhammed.

So then they aren't Muslims if they are going against their religion.

Thank you for supporting my case

Bye
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: dna
Heh... You're a pathetic troll....

Yes I am a troll because you fail to link the two together and lack common sense.

I guarantee your level of education is lacking compared to other members on P&N.

If someone goes against their religion then it is not the religion that is violent it is them.

You cannot prove a religion to be violent by the actions of individuals. You need to look at the majority and you also need to look at the core of a religion (in this case Quran).

You cannot link anything you try to go against to the Quran or the majority .. so you FAIL.

Now go burn Muhammad drawings or do the world a favor and go get an education.
 

imported_dna

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Aug 14, 2006
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Firebombing churches, shooting a nun in the back......
I don't quibble about the theoretical meanings of religion, but look at how it's applied. So far, it seems that all the recent religion-related violence has to do with Islam: Darfur, Chechnia, Thailand, etc...

If the likes of you spent more time and effort on fixing the problems, then perahps we wouldn't be having these conversations.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: dna
Firebombing churches, shooting a nun in the back......
I don't quibble about the theoretical meanings of religion, but look at how it's applied. So far, it seems that all the recent religion-related violence has to do with Islam: Darfur, Chechnia, Thailand, etc...

If the likes of you spent more time and effort on fixing the problems, then perahps we wouldn't be having these conversations.

Iran is a religious state run on Islamic Laws:

http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/christmas-in-iran.html
http://conflictiran.blogspot.com/2006/04/easter-in-tehran.html

Let us take a moment and pray for the people in those pictures. They are all dead now because according to you Islam is violent and they must be all dead now. Those brave souls ...
 

imported_dna

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Aug 14, 2006
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Wow, you employ sarcasm with such amazing skill
Nevertheless, your attempts at attributing words to me are laughable.

Finally -- don't forget -- you never kill all your scapegoats
 

Aimster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: dna
Wow, you employ sarcasm with such amazing skill
Nevertheless, your attempts at attributing words to me are laughable.

Finally -- don't forget -- you never kill all your scapegoats

Your post provided nothing educational.

I take this as a sign that everything I say is right.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: dna
Neither did your reply, so, by your logic, I guess my previous post was right on target :laugh:

I provided pictures .

You provided blah blah I am dna blah blah you are a troll blah blah.

Pictures > your rambling

I win.
 

imported_dna

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Aug 14, 2006
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Note to readers: notice how he rambles like a little child.
I suggest you see for yourselves the links provided by myself, and other people, and decided on your own.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: dna
Note to readers: notice how he rambles like a little child.
I suggest you see for yourselves the links provided by myself, and other people, and decided on your own.

What links?
Exactly.

You post nothing.
 

imported_dna

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Aug 14, 2006
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Notice my use of the past tense in that sentence.
Neverthelss, I understand that you are trying to get the final word.
Go ahead.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Originally posted by: dna
Notice my use of the past tense in that sentence.
Neverthelss, I understand that you are trying to get the final word.
Go ahead.

I dont give a damn what you think of me

I want the damn links .

Provide the links.
 

ericlp

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Dec 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: straightalker

And the right for you not believe in heaven and his to believe in heaven and for both of you to publicly proclaim it without having to go into hiding can only happen in a secular state where religion is kept separate from government.

Today though I see more and more politically correct, fair weather atheists who don't think twice about criticizing christianity publicly but abstain from the same practice with Islam and using every excuse under the sun but the real one which is the fear of physical retribution to themselves. It is a shame because people died in order to have that freedom which is taken for granted today and few would lift a finger to defend it if means personal sacrifice.

Obviously you don't see my point like the majority of you....

I don't really care if you believe there is an after life. I believe that heaven is right here and now.... So make a good go of it because you only get one ticket...

What I do care about is to say that only my belief or my ways or my god will get to the righteous land. That's a bunch of $hit! Why can't anyone Native American, Hawaiian whatever you believe in get to go? That is pretty sad when you think you are the "ONLY CHOSEN" group to go. Oh well... So, what I don't think there is a heaven (sounds boring to me) I belong to no religious group(s) and I come to my own thoughts and answers on my own. I follow my own path of light. Thank you very much...

Have a good time in heaven *IF* you get there.
 

beyoku

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

There was a study that claimed that poverty doesn't make terrorists that supports your claim. It was posted here a year or two ago, too.
here is another pretty decent empirical study of Terrorism: Understanding Terror Networks - by Marc Sageman

I read it a few years ago. it's definately an eye-opening read for those who still have many misperceptions regarding terrorists, and what makes them. check it out:

Sageman, a University of Pennsylvania professor of psychiatry and ethnopolitical conflict, applies his varied experience and skills to build an empirical argument for the socio-psychological reasons why someone would join an organization such as al-Qaeda. As an officer in the Foreign Service in the late '80s, Sageman worked closely with Islamic fundamentalists during the Afghan-Soviet war and gained an intimate understanding of the development, form and function of their networks. Sageman wrote this book in order to dispel incorrect assertions about terrorist networks made by so-called experts. Using public documents, Sageman tells us that the motivation to join a militant organization does not necessarily stem from extreme poverty or extreme religious devotion but mostly from the need to escape a sense of alienation. He also disproves conventional wisdom that terrorist groups employ a "top-down" approach to recruiting, showing instead that many cells evolve from friendships and kinships and that the seeds of sedition grow as certain members of a cell influence the thinking of the others.

2. (see Gangs)
 

straightalker

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Originally posted by: dna
Firebombing churches, shooting a nun in the back......
I don't quibble about the theoretical meanings of religion, but look at how it's applied. So far, it seems that all the recent religion-related violence has to do with Islam: Darfur, Chechnia, Thailand, etc...

If the likes of you spent more time and effort on fixing the problems, then perahps we wouldn't be having these conversations.
Excellent debate tactics dna. Well said and well documented off the net.

Indonesia is another horrific battleground between Muslim's and "infidels."

Switching sails now back to a tack i had developed earlier, i'd like to further those ideas. I don't belive in Darwinian, Neo-Darwinian or any other tinfoiler theories about Creation. But there are studies in both modern science's amazing discoveries about the human brain and the study of cavemen and primates that are worth bearing on here. Extreme Rage is displayed among many cavemen groups and among primates like chimpanzes and Gorillas as a form of shock and awe used to seize territory and anything else they want. Such as a tree filled with ripe fruit.

The correlation is this... Extreme rage is an instinctive tool of aggression. It's hardwired. Civilized cultures have disconnected that wire. Uncivilized cultures have not. So for example, we might have a large farming region of "civilized infidels" living peacefully. Who suddenly find themselves surrounded by Islamic immigrants. Who want that land for their own subsistence. There's no way to even protest in the villages against anything the Muslims do because of the rage factor. Try it and you just get shouted down or savagely attacked. One by one the non-muslims get shoved out by screaming muslims. This scenario in multiple variations and themes is happening in Indonesia especially but likewise all over the World.

Islam keeps hardwired the EXTREME RAGE required to get their way. And as dna and other posters have made clear, the Islamic Leadership manipulates and pushes that hot button for political reasons. And the kids are brainwashed to express the ultimate EXTREME RAGE which is done by becoming suicide bombers when reaching adulthood.

I see the mass propagation of Muslim EXTREME RAGE as the result of political mass manipulation that has gone on and refined itself into an extremely potent force over the time span of 14 centuries.

If communism can be called democracy forced on everyone else at the point of a gun. Than Islamic Law states might be considered to be forced onto every else at the point of EXTREME RAGE.

Want something? Scream! Babies instinctively rely on that instinct from day one. I think it's time for the entire 1.2 billion Musloms of the planet to grow up out of that crib and learn how to behave civilized. For the sake of humanity and all life on the planet. Otherwise entire swaths of the areas dominiated by Islam are eventually going to get nuked by Israel and their proxies the USA and Britain.

Let's face it. Islam can't handle nukes properly because they can't even handle and overide their reptian brain's primal instincts. We live in an extremely dangerous global jungle.
 

tvarad

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Aimster,

What would happen if a Christian were to convert a Muslim in Iran?

Please also google "Bahai repression in Iran" and tell me what you come up with.
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: ericlp
Originally posted by: straightalker

And the right for you not believe in heaven and his to believe in heaven and for both of you to publicly proclaim it without having to go into hiding can only happen in a secular state where religion is kept separate from government.

Today though I see more and more politically correct, fair weather atheists who don't think twice about criticizing christianity publicly but abstain from the same practice with Islam and using every excuse under the sun but the real one which is the fear of physical retribution to themselves. It is a shame because people died in order to have that freedom which is taken for granted today and few would lift a finger to defend it if means personal sacrifice.

Obviously you don't see my point like the majority of you....

I don't really care if you believe there is an after life. I believe that heaven is right here and now.... So make a good go of it because you only get one ticket...

What I do care about is to say that only my belief or my ways or my god will get to the righteous land. That's a bunch of $hit! Why can't anyone Native American, Hawaiian whatever you believe in get to go? That is pretty sad when you think you are the "ONLY CHOSEN" group to go. Oh well... So, what I don't think there is a heaven (sounds boring to me) I belong to no religious group(s) and I come to my own thoughts and answers on my own. I follow my own path of light. Thank you very much...

Have a good time in heaven *IF* you get there.
I wasn't discussing heaven but freedom of speech and separation of religion from state, like the right to believe in rocks as your gods if you want to as long as you don't throw them at me, without giving special privileges to one group over the other. If a person wants to believe heaven is right here and now eat, drink, enjoy your life because tomorrow may be your last, but if someone comes and threatens your freedom to do so don't be a hypocrite by protesting and criticizing one religion (christianity) while making excuses for another
 
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