MUSLIM RAGE

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Rainsford

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Originally posted by: beyoku
People will do it a thousand times but YOU and WE exchange the Religion that they follow with the location and culture of the place that they live in. We tend to exchange these fairly often. I really dont think this should be done. Im sure it is a combination of both. But dont think that when a woman is stoned its 100% because they are muslims. A HUGE percentage of that is because of the culture that they live in and may not have anything to do with religion at all.

If you dont think that christians have rage -GO TO AFRICA. There are places where even kids are killed for being "accused of practicing witchcraft" NOW. (In one decade alone, (1991 to 2001), Tanzania had 20,000 persons accused of witchcraft, murdered)- We did the same thing in Salem. Now that we dont do this today do you think that American has changed or Christianity has changed? Its a bit of both but the large percentage is undoubtably that America has changed since 1692. In Africa, some places are "still in" 1900, 1800 or 1692 where they kill kids for witchcraft. This has little to do with religion at all, its just that part of their world.

Look at how Christianity treated scientists over 200 years ago. Or Black folks 100 years ago. They use to kill some of them. You were ridiculed or killed for rocking the boat. Thats how it was in that TIME of the world. In those places in the world where muslims get all stirred up THAT TIME IS NOW. Do you think that Blacks were lynched by Christian Whites because views on Christianity......of course not, it was their views on RACE in the US in the 1900's. And the lvl of Lawlessnes where you could GET AWAY WITH IT.

"Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Arab culture. It has little to do with Islam. Those arabs that are in the middle east that happen to be Christians, although a small minority have value honor,face,etc the same as Muslims - That is cultural not religious. Algerian independance for example.

But this is all in hignsight. IF you look back you can see that hanging witches, genocide of Native Americans, Slavery etc. etc had very very little to do with How "Christians" went to a rage. Or Christianity in general (Even though it may have been MASKED as such or HIGHJACKED for reasoning) It has VERY MUCH to do that the world was in 1600, Money and "Manifest Destiny"

Everytime that we talk about stuff like this there is a lvl of oversimplification and unsophistication that always shows its head. Us Americans need to travel more, that is the only way to see that we dont know what the hell we are talking about sometimes. Also we need to read more books. Right now A History of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani is a good place to start. i dont claim to be a know it all or know everything but us Americans need to get world view on world issues.

You're missing the point of this ranting and raving. It's not about coming to a deeper understanding of the issues and causes behind terrorism, it's about hating Muslims. For all our cultural advances, when it comes to religion we're still a bunch of idiots trapped in the crusader mindset. There is terrorism all over the world of various stripes, committed by people of many religions, cultures and races. Yet for some reason we're not only focusing almost entirely on Muslim terrorists but also pretending that it makes sense to paint all Muslims with the terrorism brush.

Various Christian groups in Africa are slaughtering each other at a rate that makes bin Laden look like an amateur, but I don't see many people suggest all black people or all Christians are terrorists. Hell, most Americans are pretending what's happening in Africa ISN'T happening in Africa. Remember what happened a decade ago in South Africa? That was terrorism by both sides on a scale at least as massive as what's happening in the Middle East, but how many folks decided that all white people or all black people or all Christians were terrorists? Hell, white South Africans are now treated as equal global partners, even though most of them at least stood silently by while their government did things that would make Saddam squirm. Or how about Ireland? Or any of the other dozens of examples of places where terrorism happens but is either ignored or treated as an isolated incident.

Now to be fair, I suspect a large part of the irrational and fanatic focus on Islamic terrorism has a lot to do with the fact that WE were attacked by Muslim terrorists, while the other groups kept their activities out of our backyard. But I also think a large part of it is that we like having some group to hate. We like to talk about fighting a war on terrorism, but that's boring and mostly consists of intelligence and police forces tracking down small groups of violent fanatics. It's no coincidence that a lot of Americans talk about the war on terrorism in terms of WWII, now THAT was a war you could sink your teeth into, a real clash of civilizations. Even the most diehard conservative realizes that bin Laden and company are not epic enemies on the scale of Hitler, so they jazz it up a little...they turn the careful hunting of a small group of terrorists to a mighty clash of civilizations, with no less than the fate of the entire free world at stake. The fact that this epic conflict is news to the vast majority of the world's Muslims makes no difference, because it's a much better story this way, isn't it?

Of course it would be harmless if the only result was blowhards ranting on the Internet and in the op-ed section of the Wall Street Journal. But that's NOT the only thing going on here. Every time we have some TV special or movie about how the entire Muslim world is going to destroy our civilization, every time some idiot posts a ranting thread like this on a message board, ever time some columnist at the Washington Times suggests we need to treat all Muslims like terrorists, we're validating the bullshit spewed by Osama and his cronies. That's right, jackasses, you're helping the terrorists. By casting this conflict as a war against Islam, we're giving the terrorists the benefit of propaganda that's actually true. If Bill O'Reilly and his ilk are to be believed, the average Muslim in, say, India, had better start practicing duck and cover, cause we're coming to take him out. We don't say that in so many words, but that's clearly the message. So when Osama declares war against the west and claims it's an epic conflict between Islam and the rest of the world, we help him out by suggesting that it's true...and that we already consider all Muslims on Osama's side. We certainly don't do a lot to suggest we want them on OUR side.
 
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