MUSLIM RAGE

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
I wasn't discussing heaven but freedom of speech and separation of religion from state, like the right to believe in rocks as your gods if you want to as long as you don't throw them at me

Reference: Wafa Sultan (transcript)

 

[Jaskalas]

Let?s see. The pope speaks out against violence, as popes have always consistently done for as long as I can remember. Then the Muslims go burn down churches, kill a nun, call for war, and vow to execute the pope. (Nostradamus anyone?)

Even if it is a small minority acting out in this manner, the very fact that their so called peaceful majority stands in silence refusing to put down the violent is reason enough for me to discount them. It is reason enough for them to share the fate of the violent.

 

[BadThad]

Originally posted by: straightalker

Originally posted by: dna
Firebombing churches, shooting a nun in the back......
I don't quibble about the theoretical meanings of religion, but look at how it's applied. So far, it seems that all the recent religion-related violence has to do with Islam: Darfur, Chechnia, Thailand, etc...

If the likes of you spent more time and effort on fixing the problems, then perahps we wouldn't be having these conversations.

Excellent debate tactics dna. Well said and well documented off the net.

Indonesia is another horrific battleground between Muslim's and "infidels."

Switching sails now back to a tack i had developed earlier, i'd like to further those ideas. I don't belive in Darwinian, Neo-Darwinian or any other tinfoiler theories about Creation. But there are studies in both modern science's amazing discoveries about the human brain and the study of cavemen and primates that are worth bearing on here. Extreme Rage is displayed among many cavemen groups and among primates like chimpanzes and Gorillas as a form of shock and awe used to seize territory and anything else they want. Such as a tree filled with ripe fruit.

The correlation is this... Extreme rage is an instinctive tool of aggression. It's hardwired. Civilized cultures have disconnected that wire. Uncivilized cultures have not. So for example, we might have a large farming region of "civilized infidels" living peacefully. Who suddenly find themselves surrounded by Islamic immigrants. Who want that land for their own subsistence. There's no way to even protest in the villages against anything the Muslims do because of the rage factor. Try it and you just get shouted down or savagely attacked. One by one the non-muslims get shoved out by screaming muslims. This scenario in multiple variations and themes is happening in Indonesia especially but likewise all over the World.

Islam keeps hardwired the EXTREME RAGE required to get their way. And as dna and other posters have made clear, the Islamic Leadership manipulates and pushes that hot button for political reasons. And the kids are brainwashed to express the ultimate EXTREME RAGE which is done by becoming suicide bombers when reaching adulthood.

I see the mass propagation of Muslim EXTREME RAGE as the result of political mass manipulation that has gone on and refined itself into an extremely potent force over the time span of 14 centuries.

If communism can be called democracy forced on everyone else at the point of a gun. Than Islamic Law states might be considered to be forced onto every else at the point of EXTREME RAGE.

Want something? Scream! Babies instinctively rely on that instinct from day one. I think it's time for the entire 1.2 billion Musloms of the planet to grow up out of that crib and learn how to behave civilized. For the sake of humanity and all life on the planet. Otherwise entire swaths of the areas dominiated by Islam are eventually going to get nuked by Israel and their proxies the USA and Britain.

Let's face it. Islam can't handle nukes properly because they can't even handle and overide their reptian brain's primal instincts. We live in an extremely dangerous global jungle.

Just think, if they channelled all their energy into something productive, maybe so many of them wouldn't live in poverty. Maybe their men could become men and provide for their families instead of teaching their children to become "martyrs" and to hate the "infidels". For many Muslems, contempt for non-muslems is the entire focus of their existence. This quote exemplifies the problem:

The group said Muslims would be victorious and addressed the pope as "the worshipper of the cross" saying "you and the West are doomed as you can see from the defeat in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya and elsewhere. ... We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword."

 

[mattpegher]

Now I'm not saying that other religions have always coexisted in peace with every other religion. But it seems that Islam wants to violently take on every other religion (and that includes the atheists) all at once. Fortunately the secular world and these other religions will never respond in kind to these threats.

As has been said before, these happenings seem to be very similiar to the conflict on SG-1, although now questionably cancelled.

Hallowed are the ORI

 

[straightalker]

Originally posted by: dna
Don't tell me you seriously believe the USA and the UK are Israel's proxies.....

The fact so many of the "leaders" in the current post 2000 Bush Hunta are doube-agents, oops, excuse me, ...duel citizens, ...does stand out considerably. Exactly who is who's whore and pimp is in all this i'm not sure. The layer above that is pulling the puppet strings of both Bush and Olmert (Israel's current PM) is the actual controlling power. We can see that power's Captains like Benjamin Netanyahu, going about their business carrying important communiques around the world.

ericlp's anti-christian opportunistic bash

Obviously you don't see my point like the majority of you....

You should at least try to make some contribution to what this thread is about. Using the forum to bash is called hijacking.

BadThad quote:

Just think, if they channelled all their energy into something productive, maybe so many of them wouldn't live in poverty. Maybe their men could become men and provide for their families instead of teaching their children to become "martyrs" and to hate the "infidels". For many Muslems, contempt for non-muslems is the entire focus of their existence. This quote exemplifies the problem:

There has been a lot of manipulation of Muslims over the centuries by both Satan and the Muslim's own corrupt leaders to keep Muslim's dumbed down intellectually and animalistic in their brute reflex reactions. Hence the EXTREME RAGE. Wherever you see Muslims gaining a high level of education, a certain percentage of those enlightened individuals starts to drift away as the dark clouds begin to lift and they begin to understand it's actually a very easily debunked false religious system.

 

[ajf3]

Radical Muslims are fueled by a huge inferiority complex... so they said on tv anyway. Seems to make sense to me... when people are embarassed/defensice they often lash out. How to defend that the religion/lifstyle/governance you puport as 'the best' has kept millions living in the dirt when westerners fly over in their planes from one place to another?

 

[BadThad]

There has been a lot of manipulation of Muslims over the centuries by both Satan and the Muslim's own corrupt leaders to keep Muslim's dumbed down intellectually and animalistic in their brute reflex reactions. Hence the EXTREME RAGE. Wherever you see Muslims gaining a high level of education, a certain percentage of those enlightened individuals starts to drift away as the dark clouds begin to lift and they begin to understand it's actually a very easily debunked false religious system.

This is so true! I had a very close friend in college from Pakistan. We had a lot of discussions on Islam and the people of Pakistan. He decided to abandon BOTH. He said he didn't agree with a majority of the Islam teachings and that the vast majority of the people in Pakistan are not only ignorant, but dumb. He said he would NEVER return to Pakistan after getting his MBA.....which actually surprized me.

Note to the left - Now, don't crucify me over his comments, I'm just restating exactly what my friend told me and I don't mean to imply that everyone from Pakistan thinks this.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: straightalker
There has been a lot of manipulation of Muslims over the centuries by both Satan and the Muslim's own corrupt leaders to keep Muslim's dumbed down intellectually and animalistic in their brute reflex reactions.

OMG SATAN

Originally posted by: straightalker
they begin to understand it's actually a very easily debunked false religious system.

How can you have a "false" religious system. If you're implying the religion itself is false, then please show me some evidence that Christianity is more likely to be true.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

This is a very rare ocassion. I agree with you on this Straightalker.

When gay people want to marry, it pisses off some of the various Christian denominations, but they *usually* protest it peacefully.

When people make a cartoon of Mohammed, or when they say something that Muslums don't like, people die.

That being said, I think the rage a tool for them. They know how to use rage to their advantage.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ajf3
Radical Muslims are fueled by a huge inferiority complex... so they said on tv anyway. Seems to make sense to me... when people are embarassed/defensice they often lash out. How to defend that the religion/lifstyle/governance you puport as 'the best' has kept millions living in the dirt when westerners fly over in their planes from one place to another?

So true. Now when will it be that the world wakes up to the fact the each person on it thinks he's the worst there.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: straightalker
The fact so many of the "leaders" in the current post 2000 Bush Hunta are doube-agents, oops, excuse me, ...duel citizens, ...does stand out considerably. Exactly who is who's whore and pimp is in all this i'm not sure. The layer above that is pulling the puppet strings of both Bush and Olmert (Israel's current PM) is the actual controlling power. We can see that power's Captains like Benjamin Netanyahu, going about their business carrying important communiques around the world.

Dual citizenship does not automatically label someone a traitor. There's plenty of other people with dual- or even triple-citizenship, and perhaps you should expect that to increase in the future. I think there are plenty of Chinese, Mexican, Cubans, Russians, and others that will fall under your defintion of "dual-agents".

As for Netanyahu, I believe he was the Ambassador to the US many years ago, and that he has excellent interpersonal skills. Whether he traveles a lot, or not, hardly proves anything.

What you're suggesting comes pretty close to the conspiracy theories that world leaders worship an owl-shaped god.

 

[TehMac]

I think everyone is right in this thread. You could raise a Christian to get pissed into such a destructive rage, and I'm sure there are a few nutcases like that out there. However, very few of these ignorants exsist, whereas it seems Muslims just protest because they feel they're getting pissed on, and then realize no-one cares, so they think that burning things down will help.
Middle Eastern Muslims. Attention Whores.

 

[spikespiegal]

The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is most Christians, even the more radical ones, tend to be private and too selfish to honestly give a crap what somebody else thinks nor make much effort to change it

The attitude being; "You are going to hell because you don't believe what I do, but I will make a feeble attempt to save you on every other weekend"

Radical Islam on the other hand considers any non belivers as non life forms that must be destroyed.

 

[Deslok]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

Just How did any of these "Christians" ( and since there are many sub-sets, please identify) ever become a HOMICIDE BOMBER and blow up or attack a mosque, a resturant, or kill you and your entire family.) Did the Christians Kill other Christians in Mass Numbers because the moderates did not agree with the minority?

How many Global Acts of HOMICIDE BOMBIMH hsve been committed by Jews, Christians, Hindus or Buddhists vs muslims or islamic extremesits?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed. American Indians may react to some degree, if for instance some bones at a burial site get desecrated. But it's not a rage. It's a protest of some intensity yes. But the eyes in their heads don't pop out and they don't scream "death to America". I could go on.

I'm not being racial or bigoted here. I'm making a purely visual statistical observation taken from almost 30 years of adulthood living in society absorbing the news from around the world on a daily basis. Muslims just get a lot more angry than anyone else. It's a certifiable rage. No question about that.

Why? Why the rage. I honestly would like to know.

That rage severely affects their relationship with everyone else on the planet. It affects the news everyday. It stresses the lives of everyone. It pushes the world towards WWIII.

Umm, they don't say death to america because 90+% of america IS christian... they fly into a rage about everything too... "war against christmas" anyone? How about bombing abortion clinics? How about attacking a muslim country to satisfy their need for vengeance when THEY helped cause 9/11(read-insisting on pushing oil and therefore, making the middle eastern royalty rich while keeping the citizens poor).

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

"That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty,"

Is this guy for real?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

lol, you are so unbelievable:frown:

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

Do you think anyone over the age of 12 actually believes your ridiculous bvllshit? Christians are for the most part harmless anachronisms who vote against gay marriage and abortion, carry signs in groups of two or three, and protest TV shows...they don't behead people for insulting their fairytales, burn effigies, take hostages, go rabid over cartoons, etc.. You're just trying to be a trendy anti-Christian internet martyr, and nobody is impressed.

Now go eat your granola bar and grow the fvck up.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

Do you think anyone over the age of 12 actually believes your ridiculous bvllshit? Christians are for the most part harmless anachronisms who vote against gay marriage and abortion, carry signs in groups of two or three, and protest TV shows...they don't behead people for insulting their fairytales, burn effigies, take hostages, go rabid over cartoons, etc.. You're just trying to be a trendy anti-Christian internet martyr, and nobody is impressed.

Now go eat your granola bar and grow the fvck up.

nothing you just said is part of the Muslim religion.

they are random criminal acts carried out by "Muslims".

I could dig up random criminal acts carried out by non-Muslims and label them as "christian crimes" but that would be a total waste of time and pointless/meaningless.

The bottom line is, anyone who goes against their religion is no longer a follower of that religion and cannot be labeled as one.

 

[raildogg]

LOL Christians never flying into rage? What about when they burned witches and others?

Acting like this is both un-Muslim and un-Christian. It goes against all religions. Blame the people, not the religion. As for muslim rage? What is is this?

You are specifically picked one photo which portrays a group of people who happen to be muslim and are angry. What does that mean? Not much, really.

Maybe the muslim leaders use them are tools to spread their political power? Maybe the muslim leaders are spreading hate? And maybe, the muslims you speak of are in small numbers?

Or maybe, they are angry because America has used 9/11 to attack their countries, kill their civilians and cause destruction? Or maybe because America is helping Israel create more havoc in the Palestinian areas?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: alchemize
Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Islam. That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty, very little to do with being occupied/manipulated/dominated, contrary to what the left would like us to believe. I offer as proof, otherwise native americans, aborigines, indians in latin and south america, and africans would all have terrorist movements.

If you tie occupation/domination/manipulation with a poor and ignorant population and a bass-ackwards mysoginistic society with limited freedoms or respect for human life, AND throw in a religion that is all about Honor/Face/Dignity and revenge, then add a dash of wealthy elite that prod it on, voila - terrorists are a dime a dozen.

"That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty,"Is this guy for real?

Excellent statement!!!
By eliminating poverty you will NOT eliminate terrorism....thruth!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
"That's why modern terorrism has very little to do with poverty,"

Is this guy for real?

Considering the 9/11 guys were pretty well off, and that the 7/7 bombers were pretty far from destitution, then I'd say yes.

 

[fskimospy]

I think people are missing two useful comparisons between christianity and islam. First, christianity went through centuries of incredible violence in the name of the faith. Horrendous violence... directed both internally and externally. (The Inquisition? The crusades? The new world?). Islam is a young faith by religious standards, and so it may be premature to condemn it in light of christianity's history. Just a thought.

Secondly there HAVE been christian terrorists. The IRA for one? I think there is a big reason why the fundamentalist christian petitions government, and the fundamentalist muslim blows up his government. In our country the christian has found that if he works hard enough at it, he can actually enact change. The muslim (in the vast majority of countries) can't just go up to whatever power/government is pissing him off and ask them to change. Not going to happen. After long enough, people start to reject civilized discourse in exchange for violence. I believe it is the sense of powerlessness that causes people to engage in terrorism, and I think it holds true across faiths. (Timothy McVeigh is another good example)

 

[beyoku]

People will do it a thousand times but YOU and WE exchange the Religion that they follow with the location and culture of the place that they live in. We tend to exchange these fairly often. I really dont think this should be done. Im sure it is a combination of both. But dont think that when a woman is stoned its 100% because they are muslims. A HUGE percentage of that is because of the culture that they live in and may not have anything to do with religion at all.

If you dont think that christians have rage -GO TO AFRICA. There are places where even kids are killed for being "accused of practicing witchcraft" NOW. (In one decade alone, (1991 to 2001), Tanzania had 20,000 persons accused of witchcraft, murdered)- We did the same thing in Salem. Now that we dont do this today do you think that American has changed or Christianity has changed? Its a bit of both but the large percentage is undoubtably that America has changed since 1692. In Africa, some places are "still in" 1900, 1800 or 1692 where they kill kids for witchcraft. This has little to do with religion at all, its just that part of their world.

Look at how Christianity treated scientists over 200 years ago. Or Black folks 100 years ago. They use to kill some of them. You were ridiculed or killed for rocking the boat. Thats how it was in that TIME of the world. In those places in the world where muslims get all stirred up THAT TIME IS NOW. Do you think that Blacks were lynched by Christian Whites because views on Christianity......of course not, it was their views on RACE in the US in the 1900's. And the lvl of Lawlessnes where you could GET AWAY WITH IT.

"Honor/Face/dignity is EVERYTHING in Arab culture. It has little to do with Islam. Those arabs that are in the middle east that happen to be Christians, although a small minority have value honor,face,etc the same as Muslims - That is cultural not religious. Algerian independance for example.

But this is all in hignsight. IF you look back you can see that hanging witches, genocide of Native Americans, Slavery etc. etc had very very little to do with How "Christians" went to a rage. Or Christianity in general (Even though it may have been MASKED as such or HIGHJACKED for reasoning) It has VERY MUCH to do that the world was in 1600, Money and "Manifest Destiny"

Everytime that we talk about stuff like this there is a lvl of oversimplification and unsophistication that always shows its head. Us Americans need to travel more, that is the only way to see that we dont know what the hell we are talking about sometimes. Also we need to read more books. Right now A History of the Arab Peoples by Albert Hourani is a good place to start. i dont claim to be a know it all or know everything but us Americans need to get world view on world issues.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Deslok

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: straightalker
.......... MUSLIM RAGE (a picture)

First let's clarify something. Christians as a group of a few or hundreds or thousands, NEVER fly into a rage when they hear of their sacred beliefs being ridiculed or blasphemed.

That's as far as I needed to read to know you were entirely wrong. I've been physically attacked by 'christians' before because I belittled or questioned their faith and right to control everything. I've watched groups of 'christians' attack city councils, school boards, library staff, abortion supporters (in fact these guys get terrorist activities against them), and pretty much anyone else that doesn't agree with their pitifully narrow world view. Just because you've never personally had it happen doesn't mean it's true for everyone.

Just How did any of these "Christians" ( and since there are many sub-sets, please identify) ever become a HOMICIDE BOMBER and blow up or attack a mosque, a resturant, or kill you and your entire family.) Did the Christians Kill other Christians in Mass Numbers because the moderates did not agree with the minority?

How many Global Acts of HOMICIDE BOMBIMH hsve been committed by Jews, Christians, Hindus or Buddhists vs muslims or islamic extremesits?

And how many Muslims became "homicide bombers"? How many Muslims blew up a restaurant or killed you and your entire family?

You people are idiots. The fact that there are more Muslim terrorists than Christian terrorists is irrelevant to how the AVERAGE Muslim acts. Given the total number of believers of both religions, the relative number of terrorists in each group is almost the same. Your average Muslim is about as likely to be a terrorist as your average Christian. I realize it's easy to get distracted by news reports of all those terrorist attacks, but they are still very, very rare...trying to classify several hundred million people based off of the actions of a few of them is stupid.

In any case, I imagine the Irish and the Brits might argue with the idea that there aren't Christian terrorists even today.