I'm not in denial about it being mostly the same as MW2. I'm denying there's something wrong with that, and that CoD is somehow worse about this than your average long running series like halo or gears.
You're in such denial you're beyond hope. That video is MW2 with a new map. Oh look, they changed a few icons ... Here's my $60!!!
You're in such denial you're beyond hope. That video is MW2 with a new map. Oh look, they changed a few icons ... Here's my $60!!!
So wait, reskinning vehicles in BF is better? CoD has actually progressed since the first game.
GOOD DAY SIR!
The physics, gameplay, lighting, bullet trajectory and everything has progressed in Battlefield 3. It's more than point and shoot...
In fact Battlefield 3 has made me forget that CoD exists.
The beta isn't terribly impressive in any of these regards. Its NOTHING like those original trailers on the 360. It basically looks a scratch better than BC2.
It's a beta, and it is nowhere near final code. They released it to test multiplayer net code and nothing more. Besides, you know the trailers were not done on a 360...they were on a PC.
It's a beta, and it is nowhere near final code. They released it to test multiplayer net code and nothing more. Besides, you know the trailers were not done on a 360...they were on a PC.
I have yet to be in a beta (I am not in the BF3 beta) that was changed significantly this close to release. The game is basically done. They might tweak a few minor things here and there, but they won't be making any big changes at this point.
More than anything else I'm seeing a lot of disappointment now that people have got their hands on it. Frustrating UI, lots of bugs, plays too much like CoD (gasp!!), mediocre graphics (on console). You can believe what you want about it being a "beta", but the game is coming out in under a month. The real beta happened internally, like you said, this is just testing the network. It's already complete. They're not going to fix the graphics in a day one patch, hopefully they can at least tackle the bugs.
Don't jump on the hype train until you're sure where it's going.
Every single BF game I've played has had a lot of bugs. Both PC and console versions. I was hoping they'd learn how to make a game without such distracting bugs but I keep being disappointed.
They sent a build off to MS and Sony quite awhile ago. What's in the beta now (at least on the consoles) is code that is at least a month old, and that's assuming DICE/EA didn't do any internal testing of the beta build before shipping it off. My guess is that code is about 6 weeks old, give or take.
Believe me, a lot can change between several weeks ago and late October, and as a software architect and project manager, I see it every day. You'd be amazed at what the final weeks of development do for a product - it's usually the most productive period of any product... by a landslide.
That said, DICE's particular history doesn't leave warm fuzzies at all. They're falling right in to lock-step with BF2's release, 2142's release, BC2's release, etc. This is a pattern they haven't been able to shake for the better part of a decade, and it's tiresome.
Regardless, you don't see that many people burying their heads in the sand saying "it's ok, it's ok, it's ok...". People may have been on the "hype train" at some point, but there are but a few blind followers in the threads around here and people are being pretty objective, which is a lot more than I can about you. Some are withholding judgement due to the fact that, yes, it's a beta, but while it may be a bit optimistic in my book, I'd hardly compare it to the fanboyism that's gone down in this thread. The depths to which you take MW3 criticism personally is almost disturbing.
As for BF3, very few people have issues with the gameplay itself (though Metro is a terrible map by most accounts, however it's starting to grow on people) - the consensus is that game is quite a bit of fun (especially Caspian Border, which many of us have been able to sneak into - it's incredible); it just performs like ass on the Xbox and the ancillary utilities of the PC version are a distraction. Give DICE as the developer, it's not too surprising. Day 1 quality was never their strong suit, and you'll never see me making excuses for it. But the gameplay feels solid, balanced, and tight, and it's what I was looking for in BF3.
At the end of the day, I won't be spending nearly as much money this holiday season as I expected to. MW3 is really MW2.1, and BF3 isn't ready for release on any platform. The difference being, I'll eventually buy BF3 when everything gets sorted out (which DICE does have a habit of doing)... but I'm not plunking down $60 for MW2.1, nor will I plunk it down for a broken BF3 at release. We all have our opinions, but BF3 has a night/day feel when compared to BF2 and BC2. It feels like a fresh new game. There's just no way that's going to be the case for MW3, and I think we've all agreed on as much.
Of course, I had to buy Gears 3 to get the game I was promised in Gears 2, but at least it's good and will keep me content until DICE/EA gets their shit together . By about the time I'm finished with BF3, MW4 (or 5?) will be coming out and maybe IW will have had a few fresh ideas by then. That's not a jab - I honestly hope so.
Yep. It seems to take them a solid few months until all the kinks are worked out.
Every single BF game I've played has had a lot of bugs. Both PC and console versions. I was hoping they'd learn how to make a game without such distracting bugs but I keep being disappointed.
It was extraordinary on so many levels, particularly the single player campaign.
Wow...really?
Wow...really?
i find it hilarious that people can't like a game that you don't like.
I find it hilarious that people can't state that they dislike a game that you liked without you throwing strawmen at them.
I find it hilarious that people can't state that they dislike a game that you liked without you throwing strawmen at them.
i find it hilarious that people can't like a game that you don't like.
I love it. All I say is "Really?", and the trolls totter out from under the bridge.
First off, I haven't played the game (single-player), and that was more of a response hoping he would elaborate on what made it so "extraordinary", as I've only heard luke-warm things. And if it's as good as all that, I might have to give it a go.
Deal with it. Stop defending these games like they're your own stunted offspring being picked on after school. Some of us aren't interested in the "BF3 vs. MW4 War for All Nerd Souls", and just want to discuss the merits of a good game.