MWAVE "ASRock 939Dual-SATA2" + Opteron 144

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Miklebud

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I'm not positive, but Yes, I think the GT is better than a GS. I'm not sure if the 3800+ has 1mb L2 Cache. At stock speeds, I dont think it is, because it's only 1.8ghz. But it can easily achieve 2.4+
 

uo7

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Originally posted by: EXman
My BH-5 gonna handle OCing this beast? should I get some DDR550 OCZ?

Great budget board. I'm running an opty 170 @ 2700 mhz stable. I tried my mushkin bh-5 2x 512mb, it didn't do well at all due to voltage limit. So I went with the ocz pc 3200 platinum 2x 1gb.
 

rmrfhomeoops

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I haven't been following up on the latest pc hardware so I'm sure this questions sound idiotic. Does anyone know approximately how fast would this setup be for gaming as compare to Dell 9150 already built system? I'm planning on overclocking Opterton 144 to 2.5Ghz and so how will this setup compare to Dell 9150 with dual core 2.8ghz?

Opteron 144 overclock to 2.5Ghz + ASRock (ULI 1695 chipset)
Nvidia 6800GS

vs.

Dell 9150 + dual core 2.8Ghz
Nvidia 6800GS

The appeal of the Dell is pre-built and using a well known Intel board. But if the performance advantage of Opteron in gaming is signficant, then I might just go with the Opteron instead.
 

nairi

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OPTERON powa, i'ld go with opteron cause i have intel right now an I wish it were an AMD
 

Morpheux

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Originally posted by: Ghettocowboy
Bad combo, Opteron is considered to be AMD top notch and teaming up with hmmmmm, Asrock, the rock bottom, still above ECS motherboard. A few dollar more get Gigabyte SLI pro if you are looking for big bang for the bucks

You might want to a a bit of research before making statements like this. I would suggest this board to ANYONE wanting AMD and non-SLI.

Also, tell me one other company that answers their Tech Support line and will handle your call without putting you on hold. I called and actually spoke with two different people without being put on hold or having to deal with automated menus.
 

CupCak3

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Originally posted by: jnmunsey
LOL, the vast majority here making arguments about quality don't have a clue about what they are talking. It's also usually unoriginal opinions, as mosy just blabber what they heard from somewhere else. Many post comments based on their own experience which is at best maybe 3 or 4 motherboards used per year. Now that's a big sample...

Then of course there are a very small few who actually know a little about PCB design and what to look for when considering "quality". Fortunately when a product gets used so much and it gets a public track record of its performance then we have something to go by, though even then sometimes the results can be skewed.

Anyway sorry to rag on some of you but folks keep in mind I have found it best to be patient when buying this stuff. Not so much for money savings or for what performs the best, but to make sure you are getting a setup that won't cause headaches after you buy everything. I'd pay an extra 20% or 30% just to be sure what I get will work perfectly the first time and if it doesn't there will be zero hassles and zero extra cost in getting it right. Hmmm, too bad that is really really hard to accomplish..

you did absolutely nothign to add to this thread. nice work idiot.




Anyways, that asrock in a great mobo. hopefully i'll be getting a nice dual core to stick in there soon... just need to figure out some way to make sure the wife won't know how much i'm going to be spending :x
 

straightalker

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http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA30107&CartID=done&nextloc=

Heeheehe. No i'm not an MWAVE salesmen in disguize. But they did have the best prices on some things at a time when midrange budgitiing was all i could afford. I had a 10$ freebie first time buyer coupon so i nabbed the Antec Sonato II (with an extra 120mm fan 5$) at what will untimately cost me 86$ shipped. The "smartpower" version 2.0 series PSU covered what i needed well. Any, i had to settle on mid budgit.

Glad to here this rig scenario settles well with our Opty 144 at an overclock of 2.4ghz without acting queer. That won't happen until over 3.0 i'm told on a DFI Ultra board.

This Asrock/144 rig to me looks like alot of fun to learn overclocking on. I definitely will try to cap-off performance at 2.7ghz sometime in the future. After i get to know my rig better. Switching from a stock AMD cpu setup to a p-90 or whatever advanced cooler any higher than 2.5ghz. I think we can go 2.5 no problem stock if we have a Sonata II case. The airflow does look obstructed near the front 120mm fan so i might see about doing some case modding. I saw it ahead of time. I prefer having just one hardrive. And setting it up alone facing in front of that bottom front intake fan blowing over and under it.

Now i need to finalize what memory to get for this Asrock/144 rig. I've been checking prices alot and know the current price structure pretty good. I've got two options budgit wize.

...2 GIGZ of Corsair Value select (anything better??)

...1 Gig of high speed ram priced up to 160$ tops.

I'll need some advice here. I tend to believe a (2 x 1gb) "value" ram is the wiser choice. Since i do plane on doing alot of Far Cry, BF2 gaming, as well as multimedia stuff.

And i recognize going 2 x 1gb of any ram is alot better than filling up with (4 x 512) which slows down the memory clock to 3 cycles.

But if "value ram" limits our opty-144 overclock to 2.5 will i loose alot of overall power by not being able to ever achive 2.7ghz??

A dilema we all face on a budgit.

I guess i just would appreciate advice on what adds power best to a computer system used for gaming/multimedia.

Here's the ultimate configuration i'm considering as the goal...

Asrock939 duel (recieved)
Opty 144 (recieved) from MWAVE got a CAB2E 0545 MPMW - not the best but still good
Sonata II (enroute) (450 smartpower, duel 12v rail with combined 32A)
?? 155$ - Corsair Value select (2 x 1gb) memory
?? 200$ - ATI Sapphite GTO2 overclocked to 16 pixel pipes

I've got a AGP geforce 5500 i plan on installing while breaking in this system. Can run that awhile until i decide on the video card. Since i plan on playing FarCry which uses alot of "version 3.0 shaders", which the ATI GTO2 does not have, i am open to considering a Geforce 6800-series card for around 200$

Interesting discussion... heeheehe.

Also interesting is the prospect of installing a new M2 processor in around 18 months along with new DDR2 memory. Something to think about as an option. Though i'll probably keep this Opty-144 rig maybe 3 years if it's still fast enough to manage decent framerates in current games. I'm not into having the very latest ultimate performance as a hobby. Though i respect everyone who is. heeheehe. I can see the fun in it... Same thing with racecars or high fidelity music...

...about the sound on this Asrock939, ...i suspect it is not that bad at all. It's a decent recognized sound chip that and we know it's capabilities. I doubt Asrock went ahead and goofed it up. Anyhow, the money we saved on buying this board could be used on what really is a high end 80$ soundcard. If that's your wish. I plan on keeping an eye out next year for exactly such a sound deal. See you all on Ebay. heeheehe.

...merry christmas
 

sheltem

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Originally posted by: Miklebud
I'm not positive, but Yes, I think the GT is better than a GS. I'm not sure if the 3800+ has 1mb L2 Cache. At stock speeds, I dont think it is, because it's only 1.8ghz. But it can easily achieve 2.4+

GT and GS are about the same in performance, but the GS is cheaper. the 3800+ has 512mb cache for each core, totalling 1mb L2 cache
 

BigDaddyD

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Originally posted by: sheltem
Originally posted by: Miklebud
I'm not positive, but Yes, I think the GT is better than a GS. I'm not sure if the 3800+ has 1mb L2 Cache. At stock speeds, I dont think it is, because it's only 1.8ghz. But it can easily achieve 2.4+

GT and GS are about the same in performance, but the GS is cheaper. the 3800+ has 512mb cache for each core, totalling 1mb L2 cache



If that is the case, what chip would the 144 compare to? or how does it compare to the 3800?
 

compcons

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Originally posted by: cruzer
Will this board accept ecc memory?

Not that this answers your question, but is it ECC or ECC/Registered? If you have ECC/Reg, shoot me a PM and maybe we can get your some "normal" RAM. I have 4 more slots on my Thunder K8SE that need to be filled...

EH
 

ChonChon

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well...im getting an ASUS A8N-VM CSM soon...and it got AMAZING reviews...better then the ASRock in a lot of cases.

but when it all falls down, it comes to prefrence. i was gona get the Dual939 on 4 different occasions, no lie, but then i stumbled across this which caught my attention. and there IS a plus side. im getting it so cheap that it wont be a problem for me to just turn around and get an ASRock Dual939. and i will still resell this and make more money.

final though on that setup: its amazing, get it.
 

Connoisseur

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Does this board REQUIRE dual channel operation? I got 3 512mb PC3200 chips. Can I stick them in here and still have them run?
 

straightalker

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Well i finished up quite a spread at the dinner table at a friends house midday hours ago.

well...im getting an ASUS A8N-VM CSM soon

I saw this and just had to comment because i researched all the new boards with the new onboard Geforce 6150 chipset. The ASUS A8MVM CSM does not overclock any at all but has the best other feature set. The Foxconn Winfast 6150K8MA-8EKRS Socket 939 (GF6150) (no DVI output!!) http://www.ocworkbench.com/2005/foxconn/winfast%206150K8MA-8EKRS/g1.htm has a nice overclocking ability but nothing as good as the Asrock/939. No hopes of ever achieving 2.7ghz with an Opty 144 with the Foxconn. I think it tops out around 2.4ghz.

The onboard Video of those integrated boards is awefully slow for gaming. About equal to a weak geforce 6200. So it's only good for office workers.

Anyhow i've got to do more research online to help some relatives choose some items for their computer... merry christmas

Still the best deal is the setup this thread is named after. If you want powerful system within a budgit. I choose 1 gig of ram as enough. The balance of the budgit should leave plenty of space to fill with a great midrange video card.
 

straightalker

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System assembled real easy in an Antec Sonata II case...

Started right up and has been running without a glitch for over 48hours.

I'm now searching for a good midrange PCI-E video card.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2656&p=10

Anandtech speak of the principle of "headroom" very well in terms of overclocking video cards. Sapphire X800 GTO being good enough perhaps even on the 160$ card with 12 pixel pipelines (can only overclock to 16pipes on the Sapphire gto2) which costs around 215$

I'm not a fan of risky Bios flashing so i'll probably lean heavily towards X800 GTO at 12pipes.

Anyhow, for 160$ an X8OO GTO looks much more powerful that all the Geforce 6600 and about equal to a plain Geforce 6800.

What's your opinion on this price range of 150-175??

The "Powercolor X800 GTO 16" has 16pipes but does not have much overclocking headroom.

I don't see any Nvidia cards with the same awesome overclocking headroom as the Radeons in the same class/price range. Do you?

 

chexi

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Has anyone paired the Asrock mobo with a separate sound card (that has an spdif out)? The one thing missing on this mobo IMHO is spdif out. For me that is important, because I plan on using it for a HTPC (which I use for movies, but also occassionally gaming on my projector if company is over). This board appeals to me because of the dual video card format and the lack of a chipset fan (trying to keep this computer as quiet as possible). The turbojet chipset fan on my Asus A8R SLI-Deluxe (which does have spdif) is unacceptable for this setup.

If anyone has added a soundcard with spdif out, please post your experience. I remember having problems in the past with trying to do a similar setup years ago (sound would work about 50% of the time).
 

duragezic

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Hot damn does this ASRock look pretty good. I read part of the 900 reply thread on it, but it seems they are a lot of different quirks and issues overall. Not something I want to deal with with a new computer. I will pay alittle more for quality, but it seems the ASRock is still quality (the AT review found it good). The biggest issues seem to be with memory and timings. I wish AT would've investigated that. Plus the 1.4 V Vcore (for 1.35 V cpus) limit is a bit disappointing.

Not sure if I should get this over a eVga/Jetway NForce 4.

NForce has proven itself as a fast and stable platform. My cheap NF2 Shuttle is great. OTOH, my VIA (which many still say are crap) Iwill KK266 was very solid as well. I just don't want to get stuck with crap, but I don't get a hard on for Nforce/Nvidia as some do.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: chexi
Has anyone paired the Asrock mobo with a separate sound card (that has an spdif out)? The one thing missing on this mobo IMHO is spdif out. For me that is important, because I plan on using it for a HTPC (which I use for movies, but also occassionally gaming on my projector if company is over). This board appeals to me because of the dual video card format and the lack of a chipset fan (trying to keep this computer as quiet as possible). The turbojet chipset fan on my Asus A8R SLI-Deluxe (which does have spdif) is unacceptable for this setup.

If anyone has added a soundcard with spdif out, please post your experience. I remember having problems in the past with trying to do a similar setup years ago (sound would work about 50% of the time).

I'm using a sound blaster live value with the board, disabled the onboard sound. But as far as spdif out...I can't really say. I'm not much of an audiophile as you can probably tell.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: duragezic
Hot damn does this ASRock look pretty good. I read part of the 900 reply thread on it, but it seems they are a lot of different quirks and issues overall. Not something I want to deal with with a new computer. I will pay alittle more for quality, but it seems the ASRock is still quality (the AT review found it good). The biggest issues seem to be with memory and timings. I wish AT would've investigated that. Plus the 1.4 V Vcore (for 1.35 V cpus) limit is a bit disappointing.

Not sure if I should get this over a eVga/Jetway NForce 4.

NForce has proven itself as a fast and stable platform. My cheap NF2 Shuttle is great. OTOH, my VIA (which many still say are crap) Iwill KK266 was very solid as well. I just don't want to get stuck with crap, but I don't get a hard on for Nforce/Nvidia as some do.

Personally I think the board gets more crap then it deserves. At the price its at, its a pretty good buy. My only real gripe was the 1t/2t command rate issues. Its not an overclocking monster, but it offers excellent performance at its pricepoint and its the ONLY solution if you want a transitionary setup with AGP and PCI-E.

I would certainly prefer its overclocking options were more robust...but the board meets my needs well and is totally stable. I also think a lot of the issues people have had can be traced to inexperience with the A64 platform. (not all obviously, no board is free of problems) I saw a lot of people proclaiming the board was crap because it wasn't an uber overclocker, or they didn't understand A64 overclocking. (Which is understandable, I wet my feet with this board as well...and the terminology within the bios is different and the aspect of A64 overclocking versus XP overclocking are very different).
 

dabuddha

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Would this board be the best stable board if I don't plan to overclock at all? I have a limited budget for my upgrade :/
 

eventerke

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I can't compare to many other boards - but I have been very happy with mine so far.
Out of the box I got 2.4Ghz with my Opteron 144, and I'm now up to 2.6Ghz with the OCWorkbench Beta1 BIOS.
I'm running a 6800 Ultra AGP card and Audigy 2 sound card, CoolerMaster Hyper6+ heatsink. 1gb RAM (pqi DDR400 sticks 2.5-3-3-7 1T).

The caveats I've seen and heard about the board:
- latest nVidia drivers, AGP cards, and 64-bit XP don't get along perfectly- I haven't tried this out yet myself (FarCry64 looks to be the only game worth the trouble)
- If you have an AGP card with a big HS, you have only one usable PCI slot (no biggie on my gaming rig).
- OC'ability seems limited, but that is probably down to the limited voltage options (I can only go 0.05V over stock). There are VCore and VDimm solder mods, but that's a little hardcore for me. The AGP/PCIe/PCI busses are lockable, which is good.
- I've heard of issues with the SATA-II interface, but I only use the 2 SATA-I's in a RAID-0 and it's been fine.

I'm *really* happy with the purchase so far.

HTH,
Kendt
 
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