MX700 vs. MX1000

bigj3347

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I bought the Logitech Cordless Elite duo three years ago, before the MX700 was the mouse that was paired with the keyboard. Lately, my mouse seems to be dying. It's starting to lag and new batteries put in die within a couple of weeks. So i'm starting to look in to buying a replacement one. I love logitech mouses and keyboards, never a big fan of microsoft. I know a lot of people have rave reviews about the MX1000, but is it really that big of an improvement over the MX700? I've never had any issues with my mouse pad causing my mouse to lag due to reflection. Granted, I never tried using my mouse on a mirror. I play CS, Farcry, and UT2004 a lot and never noticed any lagging with my current mouse. So, is it worth it or not?
 

0roo0roo

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u might as well i guess. the 700 is old now. it doesn't really cost all that much less either.
 

Wiresnake

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MX700 an MX1000 both suck!
If you want a gaming mouse get MX510 ets just "the mouse for gaming"! Also I can recomend Icemat Black 2nd ed a very good mouse surface, thats if you want no mouse/surface problems in gaming!
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: Wiresnake
MX700 an MX1000 both suck!

The MX700 is widely regarded as the best wireless mouse and superior to most corded mice even in gaming.

Some people love the MX1000, some hate it. The MX700 is liked by most and being an MX700 user, I cant do anything bu recommend it.
 

imported_zenwhen

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I still don't think cordless mice are all that great for gaming. I have a friend that used to destroy me in UT2K4 before he got his MX700 that he swears is just as good as his Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 was. His reaction time has droped a lot though, and he'd rather blame himself than his new toy.
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: zenwhen
I still don't think cordless mice are all that great for gaming. I have a friend that used to destroy me in UT2K4 before he got his MX700 that he swears is just as good as his Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 was. His reaction time has droped a lot though, and he'd rather blame himself than his new toy.

Perhaps it is you who have improved against him therefore he seems slower?

Not everyone likes the MX700 for gaming but Id say over 80% of people are happy with one.
 

jdogg707

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I was happy with my MX700, but can tell a difference now that I have upgraded to the MX1000. The MX1000 does rival the MX510 in gaming performance, as I can tell no difference between the two. I would say you'd be happy with either one, but maybe a little happier with the MX1000!
 

SneakyStuff

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Originally posted by: Wiresnake
MX700 an MX1000 both suck!
If you want a gaming mouse get MX510 ets just "the mouse for gaming"! Also I can recomend Icemat Black 2nd ed a very good mouse surface, thats if you want no mouse/surface problems in gaming!

MX700 is the same thing as the MX500/510 fyi, if you haven't used an MX700, you qouldn't know though.
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
Originally posted by: Wiresnake
MX700 an MX1000 both suck!
If you want a gaming mouse get MX510 ets just "the mouse for gaming"! Also I can recomend Icemat Black 2nd ed a very good mouse surface, thats if you want no mouse/surface problems in gaming!

MX700 is the same thing as the MX500/510 fyi, if you haven't used an MX700, you qouldn't know though.

The MX500 and 700 are identical apart from weight and the cord afaik. The MX510 is identical to the MX500 but uses a more accurate and responsive sensor.

Whether most people can feel/notice the difference between the 500 and the 510 is dubious.
 

dcdomain

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The laser sensor makes the surface a non issue correct? They need to put this technology into the notebook/travel mouse quickly. I hate having to find a blank sheet of paper to put under my laptop so my mouse works correctly when I'm traveling. Logitech you listening?
 

bigj3347

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Thanks for all the replies, I ended up buying the MX1000 Laser, it's working incredibly well. I didn't know what i was missing. I was just wondering, does the usb connection work better than the ps/2? i'm running low on available usb ports so i'm using teh ps/2 right now, but if it's better with usb, i don't wanna be missing out.
 

NYHoustonman

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Well, I know you can get better report rates with PS/2, and as such I'm using it on both my laptop and PC... But I remember seeing a dialogue on another computer that the mouse being used wouldn't work as well in PS/2 as USB so... Is anybody sure about this?
 
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Originally posted by: bigj3347
Thanks for all the replies, I ended up buying the MX1000 Laser, it's working incredibly well. I didn't know what i was missing. I was just wondering, does the usb connection work better than the ps/2? i'm running low on available usb ports so i'm using teh ps/2 right now, but if it's better with usb, i don't wanna be missing out.

If I remember correctly, the PS/2 port can actually handle sample rates of up to 200Hz, as opposed to 125 for USB. Of course, this shouldn't really mean anything in practical usage (unless you have a stupidly high refresh rate, and can tell the difference ). I want to say that "supposedly" USB has slightly higher CPU utilization than PS/2 as well, but I may be confused....don't quote me on it, and it wouldn't really matter much either way.

In any case, the PS/2 port should work just fine for you.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: Wiresnake
MX700 an MX1000 both suck!
If you want a gaming mouse get MX510 ets just "the mouse for gaming"! Also I can recomend Icemat Black 2nd ed a very good mouse surface, thats if you want no mouse/surface problems in gaming!

on the contrary, technically speaking the MX1000 is just as good if not better than the MX510, and reviews support it

I hate cords if only because they tend to have a pulling effect on the mouse when you're trying to get some ultra precise motions out of it.

On the other hand the MX1000 is just like most any other cordless mouse in the sense that feels very heavy. But I'd take cordless over corded anyday as long as functionality is just as good.
 

Arcanedeath

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Their was a large thread over in Peripherals about the MX1000 and they had alot of negative things to say about it not tracking properly after being picked up off the mouse pad although it seems to be an issue w/ only some of the mice and others work fine, but as far as gaming mice go if you get a working MX1000 it's basicly the best mouse money can buy aside from the MX510 which has the exact same dpi / specs as the MX1000 but doesn't use a laser so wont' track across as many surfaces as the MX1000, so the bottom line is get an MX510 if you don't mind a cord, or be prepared to take a crap shoot on getting an MX1000 that works correctly.
 

bigj3347

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is there any way to disable the app switch thumb button during gaming? its useful when i'm websurfing but i was playing cs when i accidentally pressed the button and it switched back in to windows. is this once again the proprietary software logitech has that is culprit?
 

PliotronX

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Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Originally posted by: bigj3347
Thanks for all the replies, I ended up buying the MX1000 Laser, it's working incredibly well. I didn't know what i was missing. I was just wondering, does the usb connection work better than the ps/2? i'm running low on available usb ports so i'm using teh ps/2 right now, but if it's better with usb, i don't wanna be missing out.

If I remember correctly, the PS/2 port can actually handle sample rates of up to 200Hz, as opposed to 125 for USB. Of course, this shouldn't really mean anything in practical usage (unless you have a stupidly high refresh rate, and can tell the difference ). I want to say that "supposedly" USB has slightly higher CPU utilization than PS/2 as well, but I may be confused....don't quote me on it, and it wouldn't really matter much either way.

In any case, the PS/2 port should work just fine for you.
The PS/2 port can do 200Hz of unsyncronized updates, and yes the USB is limited to 125Hz syncronized under normal circumstances, but USB can run at up to 1,000Hz or 1ms between updates (not that many mice/systems are capable of it, but most have found 500Hz to be do-able). Port capabilities aside, both the MX1000 and MX700 are limited to 130Hz (that's when using PS/2 @ 200Hz or USB >125Hz). I would not consider either of them for serious gaming.
 

Kulprit4

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As a current mx700 user i would recommend this mouse, its really quite amazing. I've never noticed any lag or delay what so ever in any app or game. I am quite a hardcore FPS gamer so i need to have a mouse that can keep up with me. To be honest i've tried both the 510 and 700 and the 510 really sucks for one reason the damn cord is always getting in your way. Trust me when you go wireless you'll never look back again. Theres no better way then the mx700. (i can't say anything about the mx1000 i've never tried but its gotten good reviews so)
 

ZUnit

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Originally posted by: bigj3347
is there any way to disable the app switch thumb button during gaming? its useful when i'm websurfing but i was playing cs when i accidentally pressed the button and it switched back in to windows. is this once again the proprietary software logitech has that is culprit?

Yep uninstall driver and install it manually from Device manager read readme of driver for details.

Originally posted by: Arcanedeath
Their was a large thread over in Peripherals about the MX1000 and they had alot of negative things to say about it not tracking properly after being picked up off the mouse pad although it seems to be an issue w/ only some of the mice and others work fine, but as far as gaming mice go if you get a working MX1000 it's basicly the best mouse money can buy aside from the MX510 which has the exact same dpi / specs as the MX1000 but doesn't use a laser so wont' track across as many surfaces as the MX1000, so the bottom line is get an MX510 if you don't mind a cord, or be prepared to take a crap shoot on getting an MX1000 that works correctly.

Could you give a link i cant find it.
 

Wiresnake

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For all the people who don't know the difference between MX510 and MX700! MX510 has a cord and it can not die during game, MX700 has batts thats a problem! It's heavier and unreliable!
If you have an annoying cord you can buy a Steelpad "cordholder" or "mouse bungee" from Everglide!
 

Mem

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i'm running low on available usb ports so i'm using teh ps/2 right now, but if it's better with usb, i don't wanna be missing out.

Buy a USB hub,they always come in handy,I managed to find an external 7 port USB 2.0 powered hub for a low price,one of my wiser decisions .
 

FlipFlop

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From what I have read (I am gonna purchase one of these mice) the MX 700 uses only a different optical engine than the MX 1000. The wirelss aspect is identical.

With that being said the optical engine is extremely more accurate with the MX 1000. You will get more accurate tracking than any other optical mouse, and on any surface. Many have/will argue that it is the same if not better an actually rolling mouse.

The ACTUAL issue I have seen/heard with this mouse is that several of the zealous gamers like to slightly lift their mouse while moving it, and they like it to continue to track while doing so. Many optical mice cannot do this at all, but some of the optical mice can. The MX 1000 based on its laser optical engine cannot function when lifted from the desk/pad at all. You might have heard to it referred to as "lag" where as it is more appropriate to say that it does not track movement off a surface. I haven't had the luxory of ever owning a mouse that could function when lifted slightly of a surface so for me its not an issue. If you find that you are constantly lifting your mouse and repositioning it, and would like it to track movement while you are doing so then you should stay away from this device and wait for a model that will allow you to do so.

I am sure that this technology will be further advanced and made more availabe in the near future, giving us differnt models, and manufacturors to choose from. If you aren't sure what to do, think of it like this. There will be something better, or more excepted on the market in another year at least so if you will want to buy a differnt moue then, then perhaps you should go with a cheaper solution.

As far as "wireless" mice go yes they generally are terrible for gaming, but Logitech (the MX 700, 900, 1000) and Microsoft (not all MS mice just one or two) both use a very acceptable wireless method that rivals any/all wired mice.

The statement "wireless mice are terrible for gaming" lacks any real proof in regards to the mx 700, 900, 1000, and the one or two MS mice available.

Well at least none that I can find. Some people will fall victim to the placebo affect after hearing comments regarding how terrible wireless mice are for gaming (which is generally true for standard wirelesss mice), and therfore convince themsleves that they can "feel" lag when using one of these mice.


The only differnce between wired mice and the MX 700, 900, 1000 is not even detectible by humans.

However I am open to some facts contradicting my opinion, but yet to find any.



Check out this review if you if you want to knwo more, or you think all wireless mice are bad.

http://www17.tomshardware.com/...er/20040924/index.html]
 
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