My 4670k adventure begins....Gonna settle on 4.4ghz for now I guess

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Kenmitch

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I guess any of popular CPU benches , Cinebench , PCmark ,Super-Pi etc .
I don't think gaming ones would show it but i guess that depends on which one and res run , along with how good your vid is .

I'll see what I can do. 4.5ghz is doable with both straps and already have profiles saved. Not sure where memory will align? Maybe 1600 or 2000 I'll see.

Day off tomorrow so should be able to get some results.
 

Ed1

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I'll see what I can do. 4.5ghz is doable with both straps and already have profiles saved. Not sure where memory will align? Maybe 1600 or 2000 I'll see.

Day off tomorrow so should be able to get some results.
on mem can you run 1600 on 1:1 and 1333 for 1.25x strap, that would be close (1600 vs 1666) .
Just keep timings the same .
 

JimmiG

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Seems like when I use the 1.0x strap the uncore is locked at 3800mhz for some reason. If I use the 1.25x strap I have no issue upping the uncore to whatever I set in uEFI. Maybe my motherboard needs a uEFI update or I'm missing some setting?

With the F5 BIOS, the Uncore ratio doesn't seem to work properly with my Z87X-D3H either. It would top out at 3.9 GHz no matter what setting I used (haven't messed with the straps).

With the F6e Beta BIOS it works properly. I currently have it at 4.1 GHz which required upping the voltage to 1.1. There's no need to run it synchronized, it's designed to run on a different clock plane. Obviously higher frequency = lower latency, which is good. However I don't want to go over 1.1V really. As long as it is within a few clicks of the core speed, it should be fine.

But Linpack 11 has AVX2. LinX will run one rep, then you get an error message. But if you disable HT and run Linpack 11 from its batch file, you will get a wild Gflops score, and a very hot cpu.

That benchmark is crazy for temps. The temps are so ridiculous that I don't think it matters what kind of cooling you have. I don't think the heat can leave the CPU quickly enough. The heat just builds up in the CPU/IHS. I find it *very* hard to believe that the stock Intel cooler is enough for this test at stock speeds - I mean the OP is getting ~100C at just 4.2 GHz, with a friggin' liquid cooler...

There was a newer one on Gigabytes website already. Tried the beta but it was xtra wonky on my rig for some reason.

Freezes while booting? Keyboard and mouse not working?

That's what I got with the Beta BIOS at anyway. There are new USB drivers available, and I see Gigabyte have added a note saying you must update those before flashing. Also try loading BIOS defaults and booting once after flashing.
 
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Kenmitch

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on mem can you run 1600 on 1:1 and 1333 for 1.25x strap, that would be close (1600 vs 1666) .
Just keep timings the same .

I can run my memory at 2000mhz with the 1x and 1.25x strap with looser timings than it's specs.

Throwing in another variable tho.

Never tried on the F6 uEFI till this AM



Will be nice when all the bugs are out of the uEFI.

I'll have to check available ram speeds to see how close I can get them.

There is one more strap available on my motherboard which is 2.5x I guess it's for the crazy LN2 guys. I'm not even gonna try booting it up as I figure it'll be a no go anyways.

Freezes while booting? Keyboard and mouse not working? That's what I got with the Beta BIOS at anyway. There are new USB drivers available, and I see Gigabyte have added a note saying you must update those before flashing. Also try loading BIOS defaults and booting once after flashing.

Pretty much the same issues you experienced. I had already loaded the latest drivers from the gigabyte site when I loaded windows. I thought I was dead in the water after the beta bios. Once I got it booted I was able to back the uEFI down to the F6 without issues.
 
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jacktesterson

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How do you know if this is too little for the OP? All we know so far it's a gaming machine.

8GB is perfectly fine for any Gaming Machine. In fact, its 100% perfect for 95% of PC Users on the market.

What good is 16GB of Ram if 12GB of it is going to sit unused the majority of the time?

Not pointing you out directly - 8GB is fine though if OP feels its all he needs.
 
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Kenmitch

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How do you know if this is too little for the OP? All we know so far it's a gaming machine.

8GB is perfectly fine for any Gaming Machine. In fact, its 100% perfect for 95% of PC Users on the market.

What good is 16GB of Ram if 12GB of it is going to sit unused the majority of the time?

Not pointing you out directly - 8GB is fine though if OP feels its all he needs.

Yep....Normal uses plus gaming when I feel like it.

The only time I max out my ram is during stress testing.

My rig is for fun not production uses. I have no need for more than 8gb of memory at this time.

As far as memory goes my only regret is not getting a faster kit
 

hackerballs

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Well.......I need more!.................8gigs RAM is for my son's PC

it is a matter of having dirty slots on your MB if not populated. I filled them all to keep it clean. Nothing worse than someone saying.........there goes the "dirty slot" person
 

ehume

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(Responding to my comment on Linpack 11)

That benchmark is crazy for temps. The temps are so ridiculous that I don't think it matters what kind of cooling you have. I don't think the heat can leave the CPU quickly enough. The heat just builds up in the CPU/IHS. I find it *very* hard to believe that the stock Intel cooler is enough for this test at stock speeds - I mean the OP is getting ~100C at just 4.2 GHz, with a friggin' liquid cooler...

I quite agree with you. I discovered that you have to be very careful with Vcore to keep the CPU from cooking inside its IHS. I think the TIM Intel uses may be a good TIM, but when you can get an enormous heat rise in 20-30 seconds, you know that it is acting more like an insulator than a heat conductor. This is why I stopped at 4.3 GHz: any higher and my CPU throttled from the temperature.

Using other CPU testing software I could get my 4770k stable at 4.7 GHz. But using any of the various stress software, when my CPU was consistently, running core temps in the 80's and 90's, the air coming off my NH-D14 was lukewarm. On my i7 860, running a temp 70-80c, the D14 put out a prodigious amount of heat.

From this I conclude that Haswell puts out much less total heat than a Lynnfield; but the TIM bottles it up inside the IHS so the IHS acts like a thermos bottle.

I suppose we could set up our Haswells for a higher OC and accept that if we run software that uses AVX2 our gooses will be cooked. But I am setting mine up to max out in the low 90's.
 

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and what exactly are you planning to do with this CPU to overclock in so much ?

and about 8GB ram: Having 16GB might help you, if you are running more then one game For example, I'm running KalOnline game and have turned on like 10 clients all the time. Each client can take up to 500MB ram when minimised. So that's already 5GB + another 1,5GB for the system .... not much left for me most of the time ^^
 

Kenmitch

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I quite agree with you. I discovered that you have to be very careful with Vcore to keep the CPU from cooking inside its IHS. I think the TIM Intel uses may be a good TIM, but when you can get an enormous heat rise in 20-30 seconds, you know that it is acting more like an insulator than a heat conductor. This is why I stopped at 4.3 GHz: any higher and my CPU throttled from the temperature.

Using other CPU testing software I could get my 4770k stable at 4.7 GHz. But using any of the various stress software, when my CPU was consistently, running core temps in the 80's and 90's, the air coming off my NH-D14 was lukewarm. On my i7 860, running a temp 70-80c, the D14 put out a prodigious amount of heat.

From this I conclude that Haswell puts out much less total heat than a Lynnfield; but the TIM bottles it up inside the IHS so the IHS acts like a thermos bottle.

I suppose we could set up our Haswells for a higher OC and accept that if we run software that uses AVX2 our gooses will be cooked. But I am setting mine up to max out in the low 90's.

I'm sticking with 4.4ghz to be safe.

Seems like AVX2 extensions if implemented similar to how they are in Linpack 11 will be of no benefit to the masses.

What kind of apps would use them?
 

JimmiG

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I think the TIM Intel uses may be a good TIM, but when you can get an enormous heat rise in 20-30 seconds, you know that it is acting more like an insulator than a heat conductor..

I've also read that the rapidly changing temperature causes the IHS to expand and contract, causing gaps between the core and IHS. Regardless of whether that's true or not, it's bad design by Intel.

From this I conclude that Haswell puts out much less total heat than a Lynnfield; but the TIM bottles it up inside the IHS so the IHS acts like a thermos bottle.

It's definitely an efficient little CPU. The only good thing about all this is that you can have a moderate overclock (4.2 - 4.4 GHz), which gives you the performance of a ~5 GHz SB with much less power being used and it won't heat up either your case or the room much.

I suppose we could set up our Haswells for a higher OC and accept that if we run software that uses AVX2 our gooses will be cooked. But I am setting mine up to max out in the low 90's.

Yup, basically you have two choices with Haswell. 1) Ignore the stress tests and just do real-world testing, or 2) Lower the OC by 400-500 MHz in order to keep temps under control while stress testing.
 

CHADBOGA

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How do you know if this is too little for the OP? All we know so far it's a gaming machine.

8GB is perfectly fine for any Gaming Machine. In fact, its 100% perfect for 95% of PC Users on the market.

What good is 16GB of Ram if 12GB of it is going to sit unused the majority of the time?

Not pointing you out directly - 8GB is fine though if OP feels its all he needs.

When I first built my i7 860 system on Win 7 in Dec 2009, I bought 4 x 2GB of ram and tried running it with both 4GB & 8GB.

As a new fresh build, I was surprised and somewhat disappointed that there appeared to be literally no difference in performance at the time.

However after about a years worth of usage and filling up my two hard disks a reasonable amount, I sort of got the impression my system had slowed down a bit and when I ran benchmarks, that confirmed that it had.

When I then popped the other 4GB in(yes, I had 4GB just sitting out of my system for close to a year), I was pleasantly surprised by how much faster my system seemed and this was indeed reflected in the benchmarks.

So now that we are in 2013, I would be amazed if there wasn't good gains to be had by having 16GB of ram, instead of 8GB, especially after your system has had heaps of games and applications installed on it.
 

jacktesterson

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When I first built my i7 860 system on Win 7 in Dec 2009, I bought 4 x 2GB of ram and tried running it with both 4GB & 8GB.

As a new fresh build, I was surprised and somewhat disappointed that there appeared to be literally no difference in performance at the time.

However after about a years worth of usage and filling up my two hard disks a reasonable amount, I sort of got the impression my system had slowed down a bit and when I ran benchmarks, that confirmed that it had.

When I then popped the other 4GB in(yes, I had 4GB just sitting out of my system for close to a year), I was pleasantly surprised by how much faster my system seemed and this was indeed reflected in the benchmarks.

So now that we are in 2013, I would be amazed if there wasn't good gains to be had by having 16GB of ram, instead of 8GB, especially after your system has had heaps of games and applications installed on it.

Games are still x86, just as they were in 2009, and will be quite a while yet.

My laptop I'm typing this on right now is running Windows 8 X64 Pro, with Chrome open with 6 tabs, Opera running with 1 tab, Anti-virus running in background, skype running, htc sync running, fraps running + whatever else normal background services, and I'm under 2GB use in Task Manager right now.

8GB is perfectly fine for majority of users out there. I'm not saying anything against having 16GB , there are plenty of use cases, but for most, 8GB is more than enough.
 

Kenmitch

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When I first built my i7 860 system on Win 7 in Dec 2009, I bought 4 x 2GB of ram and tried running it with both 4GB & 8GB.

As a new fresh build, I was surprised and somewhat disappointed that there appeared to be literally no difference in performance at the time.

However after about a years worth of usage and filling up my two hard disks a reasonable amount, I sort of got the impression my system had slowed down a bit and when I ran benchmarks, that confirmed that it had.

When I then popped the other 4GB in(yes, I had 4GB just sitting out of my system for close to a year), I was pleasantly surprised by how much faster my system seemed and this was indeed reflected in the benchmarks.

So now that we are in 2013, I would be amazed if there wasn't good gains to be had by having 16GB of ram, instead of 8GB, especially after your system has had heaps of games and applications installed on it.

Believe it or not Windows manages ram a lot better these days.

SSD drives help a lot with the I/O bottlenecks also

Those little scattered 4k files can bring even the fastest rig to it's knees at times as windows slowly commits harry carry!

No bang for buck with 16gb kits currently.
 
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hackerballs

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bang for the buck:

I bought my 32 gig Gskill (4 x 8g) for $125 on sale from NCIX when I put my build together...............sales are out there, watch for them
 

Arkaign

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I can attest that with 5Ghz 2700k and 4GB SLI 670FTWs that 8GB vs. 16GB makes absolutely zero difference in gaming right now (running one flagship title at a time, I think 99% of people are only running one game at a time).

It's not that I regret getting 16GB, but as of yet, gaming hasn't reached the point where 16GB is useful, unless you're :

Trying to do a ton of background stuff while gaming (including multiple game sessions, which I understand that some MMOPRG types do)

I even get the same FPS within a 1% margin when encoding a 1080p MKV while running BF3 (still completely playable BTW) with 8GB vs. 16GB.

Perhaps the next-gen console ports will start to see real benefits from memory larger than 8GB.
 

2is

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I have 16GB in my sig machine and 8GB in another i5 2500K system. I game on both, I've never even come close to saturating all 8GB of RAM in the 2500K. I got 16GB of ram in my sign machine because RAM was dirt cheap at the time and I will, on occasion have a VM or two running, as well as playing a game. Short of running VM's, my day to day usage and gaming is easily accommodated by 8GB
 
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