My ACA Plan

[HomerJS]

So, we are not supposed to complain? Just pay? Pffft.

Just be honest about the rise in healthcare costs over time

 

[FelixDeCat]

Part of the problem is healthcare salaries are WAY to high. We need to cut pay bigly to stay competitive with ... oh wait there is no competition.

 

[cyclohexane]

Most healthcare plans are unaffordable these days thanks to Obamacare. I have a $2,400 deductible before mine pays anything for $106 a month. In other words, you pay for everything routine, they pay for extraordinary events that exceed your limits. But thankfully most people go through life routinely. Therefore we PAY EVERYTHING out of pocket these days. We effectively have no insurance for that.

That is the definition of insurance. You pay for everything, insurance pays in case of a huge event.

What people want is healthCARE. Instead, what we have is health insurance. Big difference between the two.

 

[brycejones]

Part of the problem is healthcare salaries are WAY to high. We need to cut pay bigly to stay competitive with ... oh wait there is no competition.

And your solution is?

 

[Jaskalas]

I was hoping someone had a well thought out alternative since the ACA as it stands is going away.

Should have known better.

The alternative is a binary choice. No healthcare (if you can't afford it) or Single Payer.
Everything in-between is some pie in the sky fantasy that's mostly akin to no healthcare with great strain and too few subsidies.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The alternative is a binary choice. No healthcare (if you can't afford it) or Single Payer.
Everything in-between is some pie in the sky fantasy that's mostly akin to no healthcare with great strain and too few subsidies.

I suppose that feality to parties and a lack of creative thought is a hallmark of society. Things can be better but people would rather play dominance games like pack animals. Oh well.

 

[MajinCry]

Part of the problem is healthcare salaries are WAY to high. We need to cut pay bigly to stay competitive with ... oh wait there is no competition.

So you want to take away money from highly skilled individuals? That sounds like communism.

 

[soundforbjt]

You can

Part of the problem is healthcare salaries are WAY to high. We need to cut pay bigly to stay competitive with ... oh wait there is no competition.

You can thank the AMA for the low number of doctors.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You can

You can thank the AMA for the low number of doctors.

Doctor pay is up there but I don't mind as much as the ridiculous amount of money paid to people like anesthesiologists ($450,000) and plain old nurses ($100,000+). They are making out like bandits!

 

[brycejones]

Doctor pay is up there but I don't mind as much as the ridiculous amount of money paid to people like anesthesiologists ($450,000) and plain old nurses ($100,000+). They are making out like bandits!

Anesthesiologists are doctors genius.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Anesthesiologists are doctors genius.

Hardly. It does not take a doctor to knock someone out and get $25,000 a month for it.

 

[Brainonska511]

Hardly. It does not take a doctor to knock someone out and get $25,000 a month for it.

Is this your new "doctor"?

 

[brycejones]

Hardly. It does not take a doctor to knock someone out and get $25,000 a month for it.

So they only make 300k not 450k like you said?!?

Earlier you mentioned competition as a way to drive down costs how do you think that can come about?

 

[Meghan54]

I have *yet* to *personally* meet one single person who has gotten a better deal under ACA. It was a raw deal for America. Thankfully we are going to banish Obamacare to the land of wind and ghosts; and 26 year olds will be employed building a wall with Mexico so we can drop them off their parents plans.

Mark my words zinfamous - we will call Trumpcare the greatest thing since sliced bread!

You've met several, incl. me.

 

[brycejones]

You've met several, incl. me.

FAKE NEWS!

 

[Grooveriding]

Anesthesiologists are doctors genius.

Let him herp with a bit of derp. I get paid reasonably bigly just to look at pictures from the thing-a-ma-bobber all day, and that's in Canadian monopoly money and a socialized healthcare system to boot.

You don't need no stankin' doctor with a stankin' degree to run a general while you have that cardiac surgery. Just get Jo-Bob to clobber him with his cowboy boot and if he tries waking up before the surgery is over, just clobber him again!

 

[FelixDeCat]

So they only make 300k not 450k like you said?!?

Earlier you mentioned competition as a way to drive down costs how do you think that can come about?

Hospitals in every major city should have to bid for work, and your insurance company should pay for it. Medical personnel should have salary caps. 26 year olds should not be on parent's plans, they should get a damn job.

These steps will reduce healthcare cots bigly.

 

[brycejones]

Hospitals in every major city should have to bid for work, and your insurance company should pay for it. Medical personnel should have salary caps. 26 year olds should not be on parent's plans, they should get a damn job.

These steps will reduce healthcare cots bigly.

1. The red - How do you think the system works today? Insurance companies negotiate rates with hospitals already.
2. The green - Why just medical personnel? Why not cap CEO pay or any attorney pay?
3. The blue - Mindless ranting that has no impact on medical costs. Rather they have coverage through a job or their parents doesn't change the price of their healthcare.

Finally -
How? Your first point is how the system works today so that's out for reducing costs. Hammering doctor pay would have some impact but also potentially drive doctors out of the system which would reduce capacity. Your reward could be long wait times to see the dr you want to. The final point is just worthless and doesn't effect healthcare costs as delivered.

 

[FelixDeCat]

^ Bryce, you just don't get it. Giving insurers more choice and less requirements - like covering 26 year olds who should be working and buying their own damn policies - helps to reduce costs overall. Putting a cap on the pay of medical personal and allowing more of them to practice will help insure there are enough to go around. People don't choose careers based strictly on pay alone. There is job satisfaction and life fulfillment. If we subsidized the education of medical personal in exchange for pay caps that might help. If people want to make more they are free to try find another line of work.

 

[zinfamous]

Hardly. It does not take a doctor to knock someone out and get $25,000 a month for it.

Are you just stupid, or....?

You know how incredibly complicated general anaesthesia is? Also, that isn't all they do.

Think you could perform an epidural? Think you have the skill to get a long needle between those vertebra and not paralyze someone for life?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Are you just stupid, or....?

You know how incredibly complicated general anaesthesia is?

We have robots, technology and apps that can do anything. Let a medical robot do the job and fire those overpaid nurses that knock people out for $25,000 a month.

 

[Brainonska511]

We have robots, technology and apps that can do anything. Let a medical robot do the job and fire those overpaid nurses that knock people out for $25,000 a month.

Are you just stupid, or....?

You know how incredibly complicated general anaesthesia is? Also, that isn't all they do.

Think you could perform an epidural? Think you have the skill to get a long needle between those vertebra and not paralyze someone for life?

I'm going with option A, he's just stupid.

 

[zinfamous]

^ Bryce, you just don't get it. Giving insurers more choice and less requirements - like covering 26 year olds who should be working and buying their own damn policies - helps to reduce costs overall. Putting a cap on the pay of medical personal and allowing more of them to practice will help insure there are enough to go around. People don't choose careers based strictly on pay alone. There is job satisfaction and life fulfillment. If we subsidized the education of medical personal in exchange for pay caps that might help. If people want to make more they are free to try find another line of work.

This, well, I pretty much agree with. Doesn't have to be a cap, but salaried tiers.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I'm going with option A, he's just stupid.

Its thinking like that that put us in the boat we are in. We must come together as Americans and help Congress pass Trumpcare for all Americans.

 

[zinfamous]

We have robots, technology and apps that can do anything. Let a medical robot do the job and fire those overpaid nurses that knock people out for $25,000 a month.

remember that the next time you fracture your leg waddling back and forth to Taco Bell.