My aunt moves my grandma for better care and ends up killing her

ahenkel

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So grandma just kicked off this mortal coil. Don't worry she was old as hell and had dementia/lots of stuff wrong so her dying is fine.

Back to the bitch of an aunt. Grandma was living in one place and it was OK not great but OK. She fell and my aunt decided she "dying" and moved her to an assisted living facility and convinced a doctor she needed to be on hospice mainly to get medicaid to pay. So they put her on bed rest and pumped her full of liquid morphine.

Once again I'm not sad she died it would have been cruel to force her to stay alive but moving her sure did speed things along and there wasn't any need for it.

I feel like more back story is needed so this is clear.

My grandmother entrusted power of attorney and her medical directives to her eldest son who she trusted. She did not ever like or trust my aunt. Especially after the whole forcing my grandfather out of the closet (that's a whole or mess of shit). My aunt being married to the eldest son and a nurse takes it upon her self to micro manage the situation from a far and let others do the grunt work.

So grandma is fine she has dementia but she's not ill she can feed and clean herself she'll just ask you every ten minutes if you've eaten. She's in an assisted living facility close to my parents and they check on her 3 or 4 times a week all is good. She's in a place she knows and is familiar with.

Rewind to a few months ago and there's a minor fall and grandma hurts her leg not serious but it needs monitoring because she's old (96) and she doesn't heal as fast. The aunt decides that a leg injury means she's dying and petitions her primary care for hospice. It gets denied. We watch the wound on her leg it heals all good.

forward to about 3 weeks ago. With no discussion with the rest of the family my aunt decides to move grandma out of the place she had been in for the last ten years mainly because it was inconvenient to drive an hour to look in on her even though people had that covered. She gets moved to a different assisted care center. This one doesn't provide any better care than the place she was at. Grandma is visibly distraught and confused and people have to spend a lot of time reading bible verses and singing to her to get her to calm down. She's not given any anti anxiety meds because my aunt won't allow it. Grandma is withdrawn and quiet and won't eat and is soiling her self now.

Move to a week ago and my aunt gets a hospital bed in her room and gets her doctors to put her on bed rest and start giving her morphine. It doesn't take long after that for her to decline to death.

What I'm not upset with is her dying I'm upset that to make things easier on my aunt she moves her out of a place she was happy in. I can't say for sure the move sped of her death but grandma sure did decide she was done living.
 
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Mermaidman

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Who were the people who assumed responsibility for Grandma's care? Only the aunt?
 

MongGrel

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My condolences.

I had to move my grandmother from my brothers house to assisted living a few years ago and shes still doing fine and loving the place, it works both ways sometimes.

We had to get her meds straightened out there, he even had a room mates girlfriend that was leaching money off her at first, but the dick had been doing it himself for years, we do not even speak anymore.

If I'd left her at my brothers she probably wouldn't still be around, but a long story I won't go into.
 
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HamburgerBoy

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This is basically what happened (or allegedly happened; I wasn't there and my source is biased) to my great-grandfather; he had a fall, great-aunt to whom his finances had been left puts him in hospice, he's there for a few days supposedly fighting the whole time, put on drugs, and dies. My grandmother calls her a murderer now.

Condolences.
 

ahenkel

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Who were the people who assumed responsibility for Grandma's care? Only the aunt?

Her oldest son had power of attorney, but he's a bit of a wuss and lets the wife handle things. She's a nurse (a shitty nurse) and he trusts her to do the right thing. Grandma had been in the same town as my parents and they would check in couple times a week and she was fine. I mean it was obvious she was on the steady decline to death but no one was rushing it. It just escalated quickly when she got moved.
 

FuzzyDunlop

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Sounds like she was only doing what she thought was best. I wouldnt blame her. Certainly it wasnt her intent for that to happen?

Condolences.
 

lxskllr

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Condolences... I don't know your exact situation, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to blame the aunt. That's kind of a tough call, and I don't see an obviously correct course of action.
 

ahenkel

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My condolences.

I had to move my grandmother from my brothers house to assisted living a few years ago and shes still doing fine and loving the place, it works both ways sometimes.

We had to get her meds straightened out there, he even had a room mates girlfriend that was leaching money off her at first, but the dick had been doing it himself for years, we do not even speak anymore.

If I'd left her at my brothers she probably wouldn't still be around, but a long story I won't go into.

That's true it can work both ways and if anyone else thought she needed moving I would have supported it. My aunt did it because she gets off on watching other people die. She did it with her own mom.
 

ahenkel

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Condolences... I don't know your exact situation, but I wouldn't be in a hurry to blame the aunt. That's kind of a tough call, and I don't see an obviously correct course of action.

She's not directly responsible but she has an established pattern in meddling with the affairs of dying relatives and using her medical "expertise" to push her agenda. I'm not at all sad or in grief over her passing. What I'm upset about is my aunt will now make this about her.
 

ahenkel

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What were the alternatives?

She was fine where she had been living she didn't have long but she had friends and a piano and she knew where she was. She had people looking in on her. If they had left her there her she would have died in a place that made her happy not in some hospice pumped up on morphine to keep her quiet.
 

cabri

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Morphine is used to relieve/reduce pain.

What was the existing level of medication and what was the reason if the level was increased.

Is it possible that she had a fall and a new medical condition.

Unless your aunt prescribed the additional meds and/or administered them; you are just projecting your grief onto her.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I'm sorry for your loss. Care taking is a very tough job. Most times the rest of the family and friends of those concerned really don't know all the details and tend to second guess decisions they weren't part of. You have to ask yourself, are you willing to do the job? Was there any indication that your Aunt didn't have her best interests at heart? If so, was there anything you could have done? Like I said, care taking is a hard job.
 

ahenkel

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Morphine is used to relieve/reduce pain.

What was the existing level of medication and what was the reason if the level was increased.

Is it possible that she had a fall and a new medical condition.

Unless your aunt prescribed the additional meds and/or administered them; you are just projecting your grief onto her.

She hadn't been on anything heavy for pain prior to the move she had a minor fall with some bruising but nothing that would justify hospice and morphine. My aunt was the one that was in charge of administering the morphine and controlled how many doses she would get and how often.
 

ahenkel

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I'm sorry for your loss. Care taking is a very tough job. Most times the rest of the family and friends of those concerned really don't know all the details and tend to second guess decisions they weren't part of. You have to ask yourself, are you willing to do the job? Was there any indication that your Aunt didn't have her best interests at heart? If so, was there anything you could have done? Like I said, care taking is a hard job.

I'll put it this way up until 3 weeks ago my aunt barely visited where grandma had been living.
She didn't move grandma to help she moved her so she could get the credit for taking care of her. Up until recently my mom had been the primary person to look in on her. So no my aunt didn't have her best interest at heart.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I'll put it this way up until 3 weeks ago my aunt barely visited where grandma had been living.
She didn't move grandma to help she moved her so she could get the credit for taking care of her. Up until recently my mom had been the primary person to look in on her. So no my aunt didn't have her best interest at heart.

Just trying to understand. It sounds like your Aunt had power of attorney.
 

highland145

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I don't know the science behind the morphine but the hospice people encouraged my Dad (smoker/emphysema)to "take a little more morphine." "Oh, you're having a panic attach? Take a little more."

He resisted. After a year on hospice, they kept pushing the morphine. His intestines quit, like pain meds do to you. He was impacted from stomach to colon. The hospice nurses knew there was a constipation problem for 2 weeks but did nothing prior to the ER.

Then it's "nothing we can do." So instead of giving him a lethal dose of morphine, illegal, we get to watch him for 3 days with no fluids until he dies. They give him morphine every 4 hours. Fever, chills, florescent urine until there's no urine...

If I had an understanding of what they were doing, I'm pretty sure something would have happened sooner that 3 days.



Condolences. I hope she had a good life.


Sorry for my rant.
 
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MongGrel

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She hadn't been on anything heavy for pain prior to the move she had a minor fall with some bruising but nothing that would justify hospice and morphine. My aunt was the one that was in charge of administering the morphine and controlled how many doses she would get and how often.

If your Aunt tripled her Morphine intake and was the receiver of money over it does seem a little iffy there.

Not sure relatives that are tied to monetary benefit in a situation like that should even be allowed to be an administrator of drugs.

She sounds a bit like a legal angel of death woman.
 
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Captante

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My deepest sympathies for your loss. :'(


About this time last year my mom fell and broke her hip, then in the surgery to repair it had a serious stroke. Had to place her in assisted living myself and while she's doing okay physically I know she hates it.
 

MongGrel

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Depends I guess still in all situations.

when I first put my grandmother in assisted living she had a fit for a week.

I hated to do it but it's a nice place and my brother was killing her at his house.

The first Thanksgiving afterwards I brought her over she got miffed after about an hour or too and said "I want to go home"

It's a pretty nice spot we go there a lot, actually my wife does more than I.

The wife actually likes going there and visiting with her, it's a pretty nice place.

I should go more often.



http://www.seniorhomes.com/f/fl/emeritus-at-dunedin/

Fortunately my grandfather was a WWII vet, and his 5 bronze stars from WWII pays for most of it even after death, once I fought the VFW to pay up for about two years.

Was a long fight, she's doing fine now.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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I'm not trying to stir anything up but, it seems like some folks have the wrong idea about what hospice is. First, a doctor puts a patient there not, a care giver whether they have power of attorney or not. Second, a patient is put in hospice because they're going to die and a decision was made either by the patient or care giver with power of attorney that NO extraordinary measure to prolong life will be taken. That means hospice nurses and workers are limited to dispensing pain meds period.
 
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