My brothers keeper

[spidey07]

The problem with black culture is if you get educated and succeed that culture casts you out as acting white.

This is why successful blacks shun black culture. They avoid it and happily cast their own chains.

To a sucessful black man he must break away and tell his peers to fuck off.

Me protégés totally understand this and left that shit and didn't care about their perception of acting white.

They succeed dispute the culture.

They curse black culture.

 

[SheHateMe]

You know what grinds my gears? You and your buddies pretending like this "black culture" you speak of is something that ALL black people are part of. This simply is not the case. Most black people admire the success of other blacks in their community. They want the same success.

There is a section of the black community that is hopeless and yes, they shun success and accuse others of not embracing their blackness. However, that is a small section of the black community.

I think you are really doing a disservice by 1) pretending like these two black men at your job belong to you. As if YOU own their success. 2) pretending that all black people think alike.

You're a condescending prick and I am sure your two spidey-in-training mentees don't appreciate you as much as you think they do. You are really coming off as a fucking asshole. You and your friends wonder why people don't like having discourse with you...

I mean really...they're your "protégés"? My goodness. I can totally imagine that you think you're some sort of super hero when you haven't done shit to steer the course of either of these men's lives before they met you. I am also sure that you're full of shit when you say they curse "black culture". I am sure you are referring to negative aspects of black culture...just as whites shun negative parts of their culture. I am also fairly certain they didn't tell you that they have completely disowned their culture.

Some of our people are damaged,yes. But not all of us are part of what should really be referred to as a ghetto/negative/violent/uneducated subculture within the black community. Not black culture as a whole.

 

[brandonb]

I'd just like to add, that I'm a manager, and one of my employees is a black female.

She's made comments to me in the past about certain things about her race. Such as she won't date black men. Because all of them are pants sagging off their ass gangsta wannabes. She has discarded all of them, as she has said she's never once had a positive relationship with a black male. She's married to a white man now.

She told me a story once that when she was in high school she decided to come home one day and talked Ebonics at home. That her dad told her to never talk like that again. That if she can't speak proper English, that nobody will take her seriously and she is only hurting herself and her life by doing something like that. So why would she voluntarily talk like that? It's idiotic and self destructive for her to do something like that.

She speaks perfect English in the office and nobody would be able to tell she was a minority based on her voice alone. She also has the best work ethic out of all my employees.

What do you think SheHateMe? Do you think Ebonics for example is a positive or negative thing of Black culture? Would you agree that its harmful to blacks if they wish to get jobs at white businesses? Just curious in how you'd answer.

 

[SheHateMe]

What do you think SheHateMe? Do you think Ebonics for example is a positive or negative thing of Black culture? Would you agree that its harmful to blacks if they wish to get jobs at white businesses? Just curious in how you'd answer.

I certainly think that Ebonics will hinder anyone's success if that is the only way they know how to speak. When I was growing up, my mom always corrected us...and she didn't care if we were in front of friends. If we didn't speak correctly, she corrected us on the spot. However, I don't deny that I still use relaxed english when around friends.

Also, my grandparents speak very relaxed English. They're old and from the deep south.

So, yes, I think it is important for getting a job. Not just at a white-owned business....at anybody's business.

As far as your colleague expressing that she doesn't date black men because they're shitty...
well, as Kat Williams said "You need to figure out what it is about yourself that attracts no shit men". I don't date hoodrats, never have, and never will. I've dated attractive and successful black men before that wear their pants correctly. They're out there. I don't even talk to guys who don't have their shit together. I don't know what kind of circles or places she hung out in/with.

I guarantee you that good men are attracted to good women. Congrats on her finding a white man, though. Why is she telling her manager this?

 

[Geosurface]

It provides you with privilege because you benefit from the advantages they have bought with their wealth or power. For example, the Supreme Court's jurisprudence is heavily based on white culture.

I just have a couple of simple questions for you and I'd appreciate direct answers:

Is it okay for white people to have nations where they are the majority or the entirety of the population and where their culture and sensibilities hold sway? If not, why not?

Is it okay for other racial groups to?

 

[BoberFett]

You know what grinds my gears? You and your buddies pretending like this "black culture" you speak of is something that ALL black people are part of. This simply is not the case. Most black people admire the success of other blacks in their community. They want the same success.

There is a section of the black community that is hopeless and yes, they shun success and accuse others of not embracing their blackness. However, that is a small section of the black community.

But of course whitey is all a bunch of spoiled, privileged rich people...

 

[BoberFett]

:whiste:

You asked me if I would trade places with a black person.

Sure, I'll trade places with a black person who is my relative income or higher.

Why would I want to trade places with a poor person? That has nothing to do with color, I wouldn't want to be a poor white person either.

You're just being stupid now.

 

[CanOWorms]

I just have a couple of simple questions for you and I'd appreciate direct answers:

Is it okay for white people to have nations where they are the majority or the entirety of the population and where their culture and sensibilities hold sway? If not, why not?

Is it okay for other racial groups to?

Depends. Your questions aren't fine grain to allow for different situations.

Also, I don't know what certain phrases mean. For example, "white people to have nations" - does that mean a nation that is meant to be majority or entirely white forever? What exactly is incorporated in "culture and sensibilities?"

 

[Geosurface]

does that mean a nation that is meant to be majority or entirely white forever?

Sure, we can use that for the sake of getting to an answer.

If you prefer, we can say "indefinitely" or "for as long as the majority desires it to remain so."

What exactly is incorporated in "culture and sensibilities?"

Go ahead and use exactly the same mental image of what that would mean that you had when you referenced the Supreme Court's jurisprudence.

 

[MrPickins]

You asked me if I would trade places with a black person.

Sure, I'll trade places with a black person who is my relative income or higher.

Why would I want to trade places with a poor person? That has nothing to do with color, I wouldn't want to be a poor white person either.

You're just being stupid now.

I didn't ask you anything. I just pointed out that you deflected the point of the question that someone else asked.

Do you really think that you don't have an easier time of things because you're a white male?

Would you trade places with a black male of similar socioeconomic status?

 

[CanOWorms]

Sure, we can use that for the sake of getting to an answer.

Still can't really answer until you provide more fine grain questions. They're way too broad and incorporate too many positive and negative scenarios. So, the answer is it depends, or both yes and no.

And all racial groups are treated the same in my analysis.

Go ahead and use exactly the same mental image of what that would mean that you had when you referenced the Supreme Court's jurisprudence.

I don't know what you're including in your definition. You also included sensibilities. What is that?

 

[Geosurface]

I didn't ask you anything. I just pointed out that you deflected the point of the question that someone else asked.

Do you really think that you don't have an easier time of things because you're a white male?

Would you trade places with a black male of similar socioeconomic status?

I'm a white, heterosexual male who acknowledges that white privilege exists. I also acknowledge that male privilege exists, first world privilege exists, being born to two educated and financially secure parents was a privilege, being sighted and having hearing are a privilege, being born with all four limbs and all 20 digits was a privilege, being tall is a privilege, being straight is a privilege, being human rather than a dung beetle is a privilege, living in the modern age is a privilege in countless ways, etc etc etc.

I'm grateful for all of my privileges, but I also understand there is female privilege in a GREAT NUMBER of ways. Does it exactly match male privilege 100%? Maybe not, I don't know, nor do I care.

Many of these privileges are biological in nature and/or unavoidable and natural outgrowths of being part of the majority group in a society, etc. Nature isn't fair. Life isn't fair. Society isn't fair.

The horrors we create when we try too hard to make society perfectly fair (which it will never and can never be) are far worse than the inherent, unavoidable disparities which will always exist and which adults should accept.

But I do agree that white privilege can be fought. The most effective way to destroy white privilege or any other racial privilege (such as the intense Asian privilege South Koreans and Japanese enjoy in their nations) is to make sure that societies are as monoracial as possible. Racial privilege gaps can only exist in multiracial societies.

 

[BoberFett]

Would you trade places with a black male of similar socioeconomic status?

Sure.

 

[MrPickins]

Sure.

And you think that your life would be no harder because of it?

 

[MrPickins]

The horrors we create when we try too hard to make society perfectly fair (which it will never and can never be) are far worse than the inherent, unavoidable disparities which will always exist and which adults should accept.

Show me the "horrors" that this program creates.

But I do agree that white privilege can be fought. The most effective way to destroy white privilege or any other racial privilege (such as the intense Asian privilege South Koreans and Japanese enjoy in their nations) is to make sure that societies are as monoracial as possible. Racial privilege gaps can only exist in multiracial societies.

You're bordering on stormfront material here...

 

[Geosurface]

Show me the "horrors" that this program creates.

In the case of this particular program, at first blush, without it having had time to work it's "magic" for years as other well intentioned programs have done? At the moment I'd just point out what others have, which is that it excludes people and therefore divides people. There are people who could benefit from it and who will not be considered. That can only contribute to more resentment, more division, more racially divided thinking - which I thought was something we were trying to get away from.

It's similar to things like Affirmative Action, no child left behind, etc. The entire mentality of "we need to make sure everyone is doing equally well" SOUNDS completely fantastic until you try to implement it. All the money and all the programs and all the king's men have never been able to close these academic gaps, and so you end up with decades upon decades of people being discriminated against by the government, by schools, etc because they aren't the right skin color to get a scholarship or get admission to a school, etc.

You get the inevitable tendency for teachers and administrators to fiddle around in order to make sure they aren't on the chopping block for "leaving children behind" - you get them cheating the tests on behalf of students who are struggling (verified to happen, a LOT), you get affirmative grading and affirmative graduation which most people don't know about (but which happens a LOT) and you get things like this recent gifted class in NYC being shut down because it wasn't "diverse" enough. Now those kids who were benefiting from the class don't get that anymore.

These are the sorts of horrors to which I refer. They happen as a result of EVERY SINGLE well-meaning liberal social initiative. With rock solid predictable regularity. I guess this is what they meant when they said "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

I could go on all day with examples like this. Another which comes to mind is crime being reclassified as disciplinary action at schools and delinquents getting away with things which COULD have been their "come to Jesus" moment if their parents had been informed and if they'd been subjected to the appropriate, legal consequences and punishments instead of having it brushed under the rug so that the statistics would look better and not have such a "disparate impact."

When you incentivize and put a bounty on equal outcomes, people will do horrific things in order to try to achieve those outcomes. Every conceivable corner will be cut, every rule will be broken, every standard lowered. Society suffers immensely from that.

You're bordering on stormfront material here...

So I'm told... constantly. But can you honestly say that what I typed there wasn't 100% true? Mind you, it was said somewhat in jest.

 

[SheHateMe]

But of course whitey is all a bunch of spoiled, privileged rich people...

I'd rather not talk to you if you're just going to be typing stupid shit like this. I have never made a statement like that...so, fuck off.

 

[fskimospy]

Show me the "horrors" that this program creates.



You're bordering on stormfront material here...

I'm pretty sure that arguing for racially pure nation states is not "bordering" on Stormfront material, it is explicitly Stormfront material. Why this continues to be tolerated here is beyond me.

 

[Geosurface]

I'm pretty sure that arguing for racially pure nation states is not "bordering" on Stormfront material, it is explicitly Stormfront material. Why this continues to be tolerated here is beyond me.

So if a poster from Japan was on here and said the following: "I'm glad we here in Japan have maintained immigration and social policies which have kept Japan Japanese. We value both our cultural and our genetic heritage here in Japan, and I hope that will continue to be the case. I feel that this has helped us maintain a more unified culture with fewer dividing lines and less conflict. We have a small percentage of non-Japanese living here, and I'm okay with that, but I wouldn't want to see that percentage increase significantly."

You would assert that they were gettin' their Stormfront on and strongly desire that they be removed from the conversation? Please answer, and answer honestly.

 

[fskimospy]

So if a poster from Japan was on here and said the following: "I'm glad we here in Japan have maintained immigration and social policies which have kept Japan Japanese. We value both our cultural and our genetic heritage here in Japan, and I hope that will continue to be the case. I feel that this has helped us maintain a more unified culture with fewer dividing lines and less conflict. We have a small percentage of non-Japanese living here, and I'm okay with that, but I wouldn't want to see that percentage increase significantly."

You would assert that they were gettin' their Stormfront on and strongly desire that they be removed from the conversation? Please answer, and answer honestly.

Yes. Japan has a horrendous legacy of extreme racism that has manifested itself in numerous abominable ways.

 

[Geosurface]

Yes. Japan has a horrendous legacy of extreme racism that has manifested itself in numerous abominable ways.

K, which means what? That they need to import 5 million Guatemalans, 5 million Congolese, 5 million Pakistanis, and 5 million Bulgarians within the next year to atone for their sins? Oh and that's just a start. Complete open borders from here on out, Japan... 'cause you've been racist, suckers!

Legacy of extreme racism and abominations (which btw all of humanity shares) means you lose your right to exist as a distinct people, Japan! Suck it down!

That about right?

 

[CanOWorms]

So if a poster from Japan was on here and said the following: "I'm glad we here in Japan have maintained immigration and social policies which have kept Japan Japanese. We value both our cultural and our genetic heritage here in Japan, and I hope that will continue to be the case. I feel that this has helped us maintain a more unified culture with fewer dividing lines and less conflict. We have a small percentage of non-Japanese living here, and I'm okay with that, but I wouldn't want to see that percentage increase significantly."

You would assert that they were gettin' their Stormfront on and strongly desire that they be removed from the conversation? Please answer, and answer honestly.

Why do you think people would change their opinion if we change countries or races? Awful is awful, regardless of where it occurs.

 

[CanOWorms]

I'm pretty sure that arguing for racially pure nation states is not "bordering" on Stormfront material, it is explicitly Stormfront material. Why this continues to be tolerated here is beyond me.

It's been a staple of this forum for years. We only got one of the world's most well-known racial slurs banned from this forum after about 10 years of prolific usage here. It was a difficult effort.

 

[Geosurface]

Why do you think people would change their opinion if we change countries or races? Awful is awful, regardless of where it occurs.

Because I believe people who harp on racism really only mean white racism, and only pretend to mean anything more than that when confronted with that hypocrisy.

But in the day to day of their thought process, and in all truth and actuality, they really see no problem whatsoever with non-whites having a sense of racial pride, racial solidarity, and racial interests they actively pursue.

In fact, I think these people tend to encourage and celebrate those very feelings in non-white groups.

 

[fskimospy]

K, which means what? That they need to import 5 million Guatemalans, 5 million Congolese, 5 million Pakistanis, and 5 million Bulgarians within the next year to atone for their sins? Oh and that's just a start. Complete open borders from here on out, Japan... 'cause you've been racist, suckers!

Legacy of extreme racism and abominations (which btw all of humanity shares) means you lose your right to exist as a distinct people, Japan! Suck it down!

That about right?

They don't have to import anyone. That being said, race based immigration quotas are inherently wrong.

I'm not sure why you asked that question. Did you really think I was going to say that Japanese racism was okay while your racism is horrendous? Of course not, both your racism and Japanese racism are deeply immoral.