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waggy

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I don't think a program like this is necessary.

I don't think that throwing dollars at the handout train is what will fix these issues.


But most of all, these "issues" are an issue with poor culture as a whole... Poor white rednecks, poor thuggish asians, it's a problem that exists across all races... Not just "black people" like our Dear Leader wants you to believe.

I think the program is a good idea. I do think it should be to all poor. regardless of color.
 

Angry Irishman

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Well the US has outperformed almost every other developed country in the aftermath of the financial crisis, we've taken steps to fix our crazy health care system, we ended two foolish wars, etc, etc.

Imagine how much economic damage would have happened if conservatives had been able to engage in all the budget cutting they wanted to do. We could have ended up like so many countries in Europe.

Actually, I think we are already turning into Sweden.
 
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You didn't read it. Two males with identical education and similar work experience were sent out to apply for real jobs.

Read it, evaluate and try to give less of a knee jerk answer.


There is essentially no hard data in that report. I can only assume that the identifying measure between white and black are the applicant's names, and I think it's VERY telling that they only share 2 names in their study.

Like it or not, a hitler will get less callbacks than a steve. Just like a laquanmarleyjindo will get less callbacks than a jamal. Neither have anything to do with skin color.

The bottom line reality is that your parents help shape who you are. And if your parents name you something insane, you can either stand tall and fight society over it or change it to something slightly more acceptable. And whether you like that fact or not, it's not a "race" issue, it's a social/cultural issue.

laquanmarleyjindo is not getting called back because it's just a bit more likely he's a little nutty... Since his parents were *probably* a little nutty. He will still get some callbacks, but many won't take the risk. I think that's understandable from a private-business perspective.

To take it a step further, what about face tattoos? Maybe they were from a past life, right? They're a changed person, right? Are you still going to hire a CFO who has full out teardrop and face covering tattoos? Sure, some will take that risk, but that CFO is going to have less of a chance of getting hired.


Again, I reiterate that schools, government institutions for the most part don't see these disparities. So again, we don't have institutionalized racism or prejudice.

But if a private business doesn't want to hire someone with face tattoos they shouldn't be forced to do so. Just like they should be forced to hire laquanmarleyjindo. Or hitler.
 

Geosurface

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Anyone who does ANY amount of research on Affirmative Action, Affirmative Grading, and Affirmative Graduation will know that "identical education" just simply cannot be assumed, and really the opposite almost has to be assumed.

One of the many unfortunate results of having different standards in place for different people. You force employers to screw over qualified black applicants because they're aware that the academic environment is what it is. They have no easy way of discerning that what they've got in front of them is the application of a truly intelligent, educated black person rather than someone who skated through from grade school to college receiving all manner of fudging and lowering of the bar. And oh yes, there's a massive amount of fudging even at the earliest grade levels. We've set up a system where teachers don't want to be racist, districts don't want to be seen as having "racial disparities" in grades, graduation, discipline, etc. There are very strong incentives to do whatever it takes (and it usually takes lying) to make things look more even.

Whereas, if we got rid of these blatantly unconstitutional programs, someone looking at an application like that from a black job seeker could actually take those qualifications seriously and assume what they do with a white candidate, which is that this is someone worth hiring.

But ultimately, why should any individual or any employer be forced to hire anyone? How about freedom of association? How about the right to cultivate and maintain a certain sort of work environment? How about the ability to (rightly or wrongly) prefer to work with other people of your same race and/or gender?

How many people are beating down the doors of Chinese and Mexican restaurants insisting that they MUST not employ primarily their own family members, and that they MUST have some whites and blacks in the kitchen and wait staff too? It's absurd. If they want to have a homogeneous work environment of people who can all speak Chinese or Spanish or whatever, and they feel more comfortable with them... more power to them. Most people agree, I think.

But suddenly when it's a large company comprised of white people, we feel like we have the right to use the government to force them to disrupt their successful, cohesive environment where the workers are getting along and are comfortable with one another. I don't get that.

And yes, having a name like Quantavius or something does in fact broadcast a lot about your background, and none of it's positive. It's perfectly legitimate for an employer to use their knowledge of what sort of backgrounds are associated with what sort of names, and play the smart odds. It costs a lot to train someone and it can be a huge hassle to fire them and find a replacement. Particularly if they're "diverse" because the odds of some sort of lawsuit for firing them will be much higher.

Why shouldn't a business have the right to say "y'know what, diversity's great and all but I'm going to leave that to other companies to mess with... mine's going to be all about cohesion, efficacy, and profits. I want to minimize the tension in the office and I don't want to be dealing with any sexual harassment or racial discrimination law suits. I don't want to have to spend the extra money for a diversity consultant and giving a bunch of seminars on this stuff. So I'm just going to hire white, seemingly heterosexual men."

We've completely destroyed the concept of free association in this country, and it's utter bullshit.

EDIT: Oh and if when you read what I just said your head is on the verge of explosion, consider whether you'd be bothered by BET or the NAACP or a barber shop in Harlem or a restaurant there deliberately setting out to maintain an entirely or almost entirely black workforce because they felt it was the culture they wanted in their company, and benefited their goals? Would that bother you? Most people would say no. Why are whites the only group on the planet who are not permitted to have racial awareness, racial pride, their own countries to themselves, or even just a business or club to themselves?
 
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