My brothers keeper

[SheHateMe]

I hope that some money is invested in a program similar to the Big Brother program...but instead, its like a Fathering program instead. For instance, young men have someone in their life that's like a father figure that will help them with any issues they have.

There are so many men out here that don't know how to treat relationships or other situations because they didn't have a positive male influence.

I wouldn't doubt that there would be a lot of young men and boys who would benefit tremendously from a program like that.

I'll bet the people that preach against black gang culture the loudest are the ones that admonish the president the most for this though.

No doubt. Spidey was the first to flip out. Wait until his buddies get here.

Poor judgement excluding other demographics from the program. Makes the POTUS seem mildly racist. Hell even black girls are not accounted for.

Black girls and women at not at risk as much as black male and latino youths are. I know you're too damn lazy to read, but the write up on the Whitehouse website answers all of your misguided criticisms.

There are also several programs out there for females of color that address issues affecting those communities (teen pregnancy, HIV/AIDs, etc)

I listened to half the pitch but never heard the real reasons this problem exists.

Do you really need a reason for the problem to exist in order to accept an attempt to help at risk groups become productive members of society?

The statistics are of course true regarding young black males but this program isn't going to change anything significantly...as usual it's more about politics than anything.

Right, it has to be about just politics because you say so. Nobody cares about at risk youth. It's must easier to just sit in my computer chair and complain about them on AT.

 

[CanOWorms]

Maybe people would be happy if he started one of those great American programs like the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, like other presidents have done before him.

His war is beyond those. He's fighting the war against de-Americanization.

 

[BoberFett]

His war is beyond those. He's fighting the war against de-Americanization.

Black privilege.

 

[MagickMan]

Perhaps if we hadn't spent the first ~200 years of our nation's history with institutionalized racism we wouldn't need shit like this.

Seriously, we like to remind the Germans to be nice to the Jews, but they've got more bridge under the water than the US has with Blacks. . . We aren't in a post-race US. . . Yet.

More wrongs don't make things right. It should be for any inner city child.

 

[Angry Irishman]

I hope that some money is invested in a program similar to the Big Brother program...but instead, its like a Fathering program instead. For instance, young men have someone in their life that's like a father figure that will help them with any issues they have.

There are so many men out here that don't know how to treat relationships or other situations because they didn't have a positive male influence.

I wouldn't doubt that there would be a lot of young men and boys who would benefit tremendously from a program like that.



No doubt. Spidey was the first to flip out. Wait until his buddies get here.



Black girls and women at not at risk as much as black male and latino youths are. I know you're too damn lazy to read, but the write up on the Whitehouse website answers all of your misguided criticisms.

There are also several programs out there for females of color that address issues affecting those communities (teen pregnancy, HIV/AIDs, etc)



Do you really need a reason for the problem to exist in order to accept an attempt to help at risk groups become productive members of society?



Right, it has to be about just politics because you say so. Nobody cares about at risk youth. It's must easier to just sit in my computer chair and complain about them on AT.

Oh it's on the White House website...well in that case I should take it as gospel. I don't have an issue with the program; I do have an issue with another program that supports and sustains racial segregation coming from the President of the United States.

Yea, we do need to know the reasons that this demographic is killing each other at record rates and why the prison population is largely populated with young black males. Yes we do and yes the core issues need to be addressed.

Please stop with the idol worship...

 

[spidey07]

Oh it's on the White House website...well in that case I should take it as gospel. I don't have an issue with the program; I do have an issue with another program that supports and sustains racial segregation coming from the President of the United States.

Yea, we do need to know the reasons that this demographic is killing each other at record rates and why the prison population is largely populated with young black mails. Yes we do and yes the core issues need to be addressed.

Please stop with the idol worship...

The real issue is the culture, and that will never be addressed because that is "racist".

You want young boys growing up to be men? Get them involved in Boy Scouts.

 

[Zaap]

As long as it's not mandating that anyone donate and as long as the money isnt really used to line some corrupt political hacks' pockets rather than really go to those in need, then I don't see any real problem with it.

 

[HomerJS]

Black privilege.

White males who make up about 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth and you want to bitch about this??

Wanna trade??

 

[BoberFett]

White males who make up about 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth and you want to bitch about this??

Wanna trade??

1. CanoWorms is a broken record whose only contribution to the world is production of CO2 and repeating the phrase white privilege.

2. I'm not sure how a handful of white guys who are not me controlling the majority of the wealth provides me with privilege. Does the fact that Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are rich mean the average black person should stop complaining?

For being such self-professing non-racists, Democrats sure love to lump white people together.

 

[MagickMan]

1. CanoWorms is a broken record whose only contribution to the world is production of CO2 and repeating the phrase white privilege.

2. I'm not sure how a handful of white guys who are not me controlling the majority of the wealth provides me with privilege. Does the fact that Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are rich mean the average black person should stop complaining?

For being such self-professing non-racists, Democrats sure love to lump white people together.

What?!? You mean the white billionaires don't drop by and hand you a million bucks each week? They always stop at my house on the way to their Illuminati retreat. I'd complain, if I were you.

and the true bigots? Nailed it, you did.

 

[spidey07]

White males who make up about 30% of the population control over 90% of the wealth and you want to bitch about this??

Wanna trade??

I mentor two black men in my professional development. They are very clear - they want NOTHING to do with current black culture. They distance themselves from it, it is a disease to them. Something to be tossed away and avoided at all costs.

And gee...they wind up being very successful. Wonder why that is?

Until you fix the culture you won't fix the problem.

 

[SheHateMe]

So, we are giving personal anecdotes about black males who made it...but not everyone can make it out of the circumstances they live in. So, why criticize a program that is going to try to help these young men overcome their circumstances? Not everyone can play basketball or football and make it out. Hell, even some of those guys are as dumb as doorknobs and end up broke with no education.

I too am a black person that overcame my circumstances, but so what? Am I supposed to expect every black person to have been able to do the same thing I did? I had different people in my life, I came in contact with different opportunities. Everyone's situation is different. Some people don't even have a parent that cares.

So really, any program that seeks to help those at risk is completely fine with me.

We can sit here and be negative all we want. But, the reality is, you aren't helping shit by complaining about it. Somebody out there cares and wants to help.

So yea, your two black mentees don't mean shit in the grand scheme of things.

 

[CanOWorms]

1. CanoWorms is a broken record whose only contribution to the world is production of CO2 and repeating the phrase white privilege.

I've only been on my current anti-privilege fight recently.

2. I'm not sure how a handful of white guys who are not me controlling the majority of the wealth provides me with privilege. Does the fact that Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are rich mean the average black person should stop complaining?

It provides you with privilege because you benefit from the advantages they have bought with their wealth or power. For example, the Supreme Court's jurisprudence is heavily based on white culture.

For being such self-professing non-racists, Democrats sure love to lump white people together.

I'm a Socialist, not a Democrat. Also, I don't lump all white people together. That's why I refer to conservative white males (CWMs) as the group which seeks to maintain their privilege at the expense of equality.

 

[rudder]

Perhaps if we hadn't spent the first ~200 years of our nation's history with institutionalized racism we wouldn't need shit like this.

Seriously, we like to remind the Germans to be nice to the Jews, but they've got more bridge under the water than the US has with Blacks. . . We aren't in a post-race US. . . Yet.

So how long do we wait before white people are off the hook? Do we condemn that at-risk white youth because in 1950 black people could not drink from the same water fountain as white people? There are probably quite a few impoverished white people who had neither the inclination or the resources to engage in institutionalized racism.

 

[monovillage]

Today the worlds of the President Barack Obama and Adams combine as the President announces "My Brother's Keeper." It's an administration initiative where leading foundations and businesses will donate at least $200 million over five years towards programs aimed at minority youth of color.

It's good to see a program that deliberately excludes poor and disadvantaged white kids.

 

[SheHateMe]

Minorities were targeted based on statistics (crime and illiteracy rates). Not skin color. Not sure why yall are trying to paint this as racial discrimination.

For fucks sake, you have people like Geosurface telling you all the time that minority culture is a cancer.

Somebody is trying to treat that cancer and you're playing the "but what about the white people?"

 

[CLite]

People on this board love to throw around statistics showing how young minority men are troubled with regards to crime. The president has more or less candidly agreed with that thought. I'm happy the president didn't take the easy path and make something like boy scouts version 2.0 for urban youth. Instead he used the super-polarizing name "my brother's keeper". He didn't do this for brownie points, because the name is obviously going to piss off masses of people. I think it's a frank attempt to categorize and address a problem we are all aware of.

I'm sure the detractors are skeptical the program is going to be like a black panther rally with a lot of "it's their fault, all their fault/etc/etc". Personally I hope it takes a bit of a Bill Cosby tack while still acknowledging the prevalent unfairness in the system. The point is you have to be aware of the potential pitfalls & unfair hurdles, while also being aware that the power to avoid them lies entirely within your own hands.

Anyways, if they can even slightly turn around the all too obvious epidemic of crime and violence in these communities it'd be great.

 

[BoberFett]

I've only been on my current anti-privilege fight recently.

It provides you with privilege because you benefit from the advantages they have bought with their wealth or power. For example, the Supreme Court's jurisprudence is heavily based on white culture.

I'm a Socialist, not a Democrat. Also, I don't lump all white people together. That's why I refer to conservative white males (CWMs) as the group which seeks to maintain their privilege at the expense of equality.

LOL, yes, such privilege I enjoy. White culture? What is that? Please define it, and tell me how it differs from black culture.

I'll have to check back for the answer later. I'm about to go skiing.

 

[BoberFett]

People on this board love to throw around statistics showing how young minority men are troubled with regards to crime. The president has more or less candidly agreed with that thought. I'm happy the president didn't take the easy path and make something like boy scouts version 2.0 for urban youth. Instead he used the super-polarizing name "my brother's keeper". He didn't do this for brownie points, because the name is obviously going to piss off masses of people. I think it's a frank attempt to categorize and address a problem we are all aware of.

I'm sure the detractors are skeptical the program is going to be like a black panther rally with a lot of "it's their fault, all their fault/etc/etc". Personally I hope it takes a bit of a Bill Cosby tack while still acknowledging the prevalent unfairness in the system. The point is you have to be aware of the potential pitfalls & unfair hurdles, while also being aware that the power to avoid them lies entirely within your own hands.

Anyways, if they can even slightly turn around the all too obvious epidemic of crime and violence in these communities it'd be great.

That would be great. Ending inner city violence and providing some hope to those trapped in the cycle of poverty would be wonderful.

But how is making it a racial thing helping?

 

[CLite]

That would be great. Ending inner city violence and providing some hope to those trapped in the cycle of poverty would be wonderful.

But how is making it a racial thing helping?

I think it's just attacking the biggest target and making no qualms about it. Yes there are disadvantaged non-minorities in inner cities, but we know what the largest demographics are. If you try to hit those demographics the hardest, by nature the entire inner city may benefit. I also agree with your earlier post that it's not going to turn away people just because they aren't a minority.

I personally like the idea of not pussyfooting around the issue and instead hitting it head on. I'm still skeptical/pessimist when it comes to government initiatives, but I kind of enjoy the controversial sincerity behind this one.

 

[SheHateMe]

How is overracting about the minority thing helping?

Sure, we can be melodramatic and pretend that non-minorities are being slighted by this racist program to keep people with the potential for becoming statistics from being statistics. Yea, we can do that...but it won't get us anywhere.

As other people have said on this board, blacks and Latinos have a problem with crime. So, I find it a little hilarious that some of you are losing your shit over this.

At the very core of this program are the statistics that say that blacks and latinos are more likely to be illiterate, incarcerated, or killed by a member of their own group.

There was a thread in PN not too long about about race and crime as well as how to fix the black community.

Very interesting that you guys are playing the race card with this...especially after accusing so many of being too sensitive about race.

You want the culture and the behaviors to change and someone directly targets this community as needing help (as SO many of you have done so on this board)...and you want to scream bloody murder.

 

[CanOWorms]

LOL, yes, such privilege I enjoy. White culture? What is that? Please define it, and tell me how it differs from black culture.

I'll have to check back for the answer later. I'm about to go skiing.

That picture itself is a product of white privilege. Why did they chose white-feathered ducks for childrens programming when most ducks are not white?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Racist president is a fucking racist.

"my brother's keeper"? You can't make this shit up. Fuckstain in the white house doesn't surprise me anymore.

This guy is a fucking disgrace to the office and our country up there talking about his drug use as if he needs to up his "street cred".

Irony gold.....our leading racist on the forums posting this. It's almost like spidey is describing himself.

 

[spidey07]

So, we are giving personal anecdotes about black males who made it...but not everyone can make it out of the circumstances they live in. So, why criticize a program that is going to try to help these young men overcome their circumstances? Not everyone can play basketball or football and make it out. Hell, even some of those guys are as dumb as doorknobs and end up broke with no education.

I too am a black person that overcame my circumstances, but so what? Am I supposed to expect every black person to have been able to do the same thing I did? I had different people in my life, I came in contact with different opportunities. Everyone's situation is different. Some people don't even have a parent that cares.

So really, any program that seeks to help those at risk is completely fine with me.

We can sit here and be negative all we want. But, the reality is, you aren't helping shit by complaining about it. Somebody out there cares and wants to help.

So yea, your two black mentees don't mean shit in the grand scheme of things.

Fuck you.

I help in spite of your culture and lift others. Your attitude is the problem. Until black culture realizes that you are perpetually doomed

 

[Sulaco]

That picture itself is a product of white privilege. Why did they chose white-feathered ducks for childrens programming when most ducks are not white?

Unquestionably, the absolute dumbest thing I have read on this forum in years.

Think about that.

You are either a brilliant caricature of the phony persona you're mocking, or the most backward thinking , wrong-headed cretin on this forum.

You're a joke and a laughing stock, and your vociferousness only damages your "cause" further.