My country just got bombed for the Nth time this year....

[Lemon law]

Supposedly some small rouge group of Muslim radicals calling them selves something mujaheddin have claimed email responsibility for the bombings. And the recent one in reprisal for a Hindu massacre in the same city of many Muslims some six years ago.

But Muslims and Hindus have been fighting back and forth turf wars in this region of India for at least 600 years. And many of these are associated with terrorists tactics on both sides.

Until more is known, and its doubtful much more will be known, its very irresponsible to even associate any connection with Pakistani ISI.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: kalster
i cant describe how much anger and pain I have in me right now, I was born and brought up in Ahmedabad. The cowards who did this also planted bombs in the ERs of the hospitals in Ahmedabad. Its pretty pathetic that America does not put any pressure on the beloved patriot's to take care of the rogue elements in the ISI (or most ISI) who are sponsoring this

It's pretty convenient to blame all your problems on the ISI. You are suffering from 3-4 insurgencies and yet you could only find us to blame? Or is that how your media brainwashes you?

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Braznor

There are many problems in India. Security for instance, we have plenty of bombings going on with Maoists, Marxist, and Islamic insurgency everywhere. As a bonus, we have Pakistan and China as neighbors. The next problem is corruption causing the entire system to become rotten to the core.

The worse thing about India is nobody cares so long its not them. Its impossible to control a nation of one billion people The government repealed all terror laws in the holy name of minority appeasement. the bombings goon because it is impossible to control a nation of one billion people. with so many diverse traditions and of course, poverty.

Its all bound to fall someday and mark my words, it shall be because of apathy.

Fall to who?

You think the U.S. would allow that?

I think my sarcasm meter is broken. Has the USA done anything good in terms of world politics and peace in the last decade? Two illegal wars and constant threats of bombing followed my instability and exporting that instability from its occupied countries across the borders; Turkey and Pakistan to name two. The only reason India is of any value to the west is because it is still based on western principals and is a check against China.

Edit: I also think if Indians really cared for themselves they would have used a good chunk of the recent boom to uplift the extremely poor classes. It's unbelievable to see the poverty there.

What the fuck has Pakistan done? It's like talking to a child to get you guys to stand up for what's right. "Ok now Pakistan, you guys are doing a really really good job. I will buy you ice cream if you help get those terrorists".

What has ANY country done in terms of "world politics" and "peace"?

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Braznor

There are many problems in India. Security for instance, we have plenty of bombings going on with Maoists, Marxist, and Islamic insurgency everywhere. As a bonus, we have Pakistan and China as neighbors. The next problem is corruption causing the entire system to become rotten to the core.

The worse thing about India is nobody cares so long its not them. Its impossible to control a nation of one billion people The government repealed all terror laws in the holy name of minority appeasement. the bombings goon because it is impossible to control a nation of one billion people. with so many diverse traditions and of course, poverty.

Its all bound to fall someday and mark my words, it shall be because of apathy.

Fall to who?

You think the U.S. would allow that?

I think my sarcasm meter is broken. Has the USA done anything good in terms of world politics and peace in the last decade? Two illegal wars and constant threats of bombing followed my instability and exporting that instability from its occupied countries across the borders; Turkey and Pakistan to name two. The only reason India is of any value to the west is because it is still based on western principals and is a check against China.

Edit: I also think if Indians really cared for themselves they would have used a good chunk of the recent boom to uplift the extremely poor classes. It's unbelievable to see the poverty there.

What the fuck has Pakistan done? It's like talking to a child to get you guys to stand up for what's right. "Ok now Pakistan, you guys are doing a really really good job. I will buy you ice cream if you help get those terrorists".

What has ANY country done in terms of "world politics" and "peace"?

Nothing. But it hasn't started 2 illegal wars that have allegedly killed millions whose prime objectives were achieving peace.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Braznor

There are many problems in India. Security for instance, we have plenty of bombings going on with Maoists, Marxist, and Islamic insurgency everywhere. As a bonus, we have Pakistan and China as neighbors. The next problem is corruption causing the entire system to become rotten to the core.

The worse thing about India is nobody cares so long its not them. Its impossible to control a nation of one billion people The government repealed all terror laws in the holy name of minority appeasement. the bombings goon because it is impossible to control a nation of one billion people. with so many diverse traditions and of course, poverty.

Its all bound to fall someday and mark my words, it shall be because of apathy.

Fall to who?

You think the U.S. would allow that?

I think my sarcasm meter is broken. Has the USA done anything good in terms of world politics and peace in the last decade? Two illegal wars and constant threats of bombing followed my instability and exporting that instability from its occupied countries across the borders; Turkey and Pakistan to name two. The only reason India is of any value to the west is because it is still based on western principals and is a check against China.

Edit: I also think if Indians really cared for themselves they would have used a good chunk of the recent boom to uplift the extremely poor classes. It's unbelievable to see the poverty there.

What the fuck has Pakistan done? It's like talking to a child to get you guys to stand up for what's right. "Ok now Pakistan, you guys are doing a really really good job. I will buy you ice cream if you help get those terrorists".

What has ANY country done in terms of "world politics" and "peace"?

Nothing. But it hasn't started 2 illegal wars that have allegedly killed millions.

lmao

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: firewall

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
How many Iraqis and Afghans did you kill today?

Originally posted by: palehorse

How many Taliban and AQ members did you kill today?

fixed...

answer: not nearly enough.

Are you implying that Iraqis and Afghans = Taliban and AQ? Way to go to justify your presence in Afghanistan and Iraq. You are one twisted person. What are you? A hired mercenary?

With each passing day, Lemon Law's arguments make much more sense than your repeated failures and saber rattling. It's high time to bring the troops back and let the Iraqis and Afghanis fend for themselves.

On topic... It is sad to see the loss of life in India. My condolences for the families of those who lost their lives.

wtf?

I was making that exact point -- that is, we DONT go around killing random Afghans and Iraqis. I was fixing HIS generalization and misguided bullshit accusation.

Then again, if you're ignorant enough to believe anything Lemon Law has ever written on the subject of Afghanistan, I can see why you didn't get it... I'll try to use smaller words next time.

:roll:

 

[Lemon law]

Palehorse, I am not saying that you are deliberately killing random Iraqis and Afghan citizens, its news reports of the resultant collateral damage that says those are the unintended results. Maybe some are over hyped, but the huge bulk of these reports are impossible to deny. Nato is flat out too damn careless, and if this was done in Britain, Canada, or the US, there would be universal domestic outrage.

But now as a good as a time as any to ask palehorse, how do you tell the difference between someone who is Taliban v non Taliban? Since its more of a matter of ideas and beliefs, rather than ethnicity, you have 31 million people in Afghanistan that have been exposed to Taliban type ideals. And for many, they may believe only small parts of the total creed, but still view the Taliban as a lesser of many evils. And like it or not, Nato troops or one of those evils that many of the Afghan people do not want. Another is the opium cultivation and corruption initially championed by the Northern Alliance.

Sadly, IMHO, for both Nato and the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan, large numbers of foreign fighters and funding is now coming into the entire area, and if they are able to bring in anti aircraft missiles, things are going to get increasingly tenuous for Nato. Worse yet, its my understanding that GWB&co has no realistic plans to increase occupation troop numbers or economic aid.

This week the US butcher bill was 22 troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. That translates into over a 1000/yr and well over the pre surge numbers even though most of these deaths are now in Afghanistan. And with two months or so to go before a winter lull in violence, 2008 has been an especially bad year in Afghanistan for everyone involved.

At least Obama has publically said much of the Afghan civilian Government is totally corrupt and has plans to augment far too small Nato troop numbers. And maybe a possible President Obama can have better diplomatic results with Pakistan.

 

[DomS]

The OP sounds pretty mad. You guys are jumping on him for coming off odd in his posts...but how would you feel if your country was getting bombed like crazy? If a particular group happens to be behind most of those bombings, of course he's going to feel negative about them. I just think it's too bad, all those people that died, all those lives, what they would've become when they were grown, or if they're grown already the families they had.

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Braznor

There are many problems in India. Security for instance, we have plenty of bombings going on with Maoists, Marxist, and Islamic insurgency everywhere. As a bonus, we have Pakistan and China as neighbors. The next problem is corruption causing the entire system to become rotten to the core.

The worse thing about India is nobody cares so long its not them. Its impossible to control a nation of one billion people The government repealed all terror laws in the holy name of minority appeasement. the bombings goon because it is impossible to control a nation of one billion people. with so many diverse traditions and of course, poverty.

Its all bound to fall someday and mark my words, it shall be because of apathy.

Fall to who?

You think the U.S. would allow that?

Has the USA done anything good in terms of world politics and peace in the last decade?

Has Pakistan done anything good for the world EVER?

LOL

I think it's time to do SOMETHING. India needs to do something.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: nick1985


Has Pakistan done anything good for the world EVER?

LOL

I think it's time to do SOMETHING. India needs to do something.

Ya, no kidding. People bitch when the US gets involved trying to make a difference and then they bitch when a country does nothing. I don't look at the US and think we are some sort of righteous bunch by going out of our borders and do what we do all of the time. I realize there is tons of corruption involved and I am not a supporter of the current war on terror, but doing nothing especially when things are happening outside of your borders which negatively impact your own country can be a lot worse depending on the situation imo.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Ya, no kidding. People bitch when the US gets involved trying to make a difference and then they bitch when a country does nothing. I don't look at the US and think we are some sort of righteous bunch by going out of our borders and do what we do all of the time. I realize there is tons of corruption involved and I am not a supporter of the current war on terror, but doing nothing especially when things are happening outside of your borders which negatively impact your own country can be a lot worse depending on the situation imo.

I would have fully supported the US war if instead of disproportionate air power that kills innocent civilians they fought like real men. Yes you will lose a lot more soldiers but then again it wasn't the Afghan's that invited you to fight here. You have to realize that every innocent civilian killed creates more people willing to fight. Firstly; you are a foreign force. Then you use disproportionate force and expect the locals not to put up a resistance. Why should anybody trust the Americans that they are in Afghanistan for good? To get rid of the taliban? Why? When you have lied to invade Iraq and when you are killing innocent Afghans. Seriously though when given the option between living under the taliban or the Americans I'd chose the latter. That would not mean I wouldn't hate that. Most moderate muslims don't oppose the Afghan war; the oppose the way you fight it.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Braznor

There are many problems in India. Security for instance, we have plenty of bombings going on with Maoists, Marxist, and Islamic insurgency everywhere. As a bonus, we have Pakistan and China as neighbors. The next problem is corruption causing the entire system to become rotten to the core.

The worse thing about India is nobody cares so long its not them. Its impossible to control a nation of one billion people The government repealed all terror laws in the holy name of minority appeasement. the bombings goon because it is impossible to control a nation of one billion people. with so many diverse traditions and of course, poverty.

Its all bound to fall someday and mark my words, it shall be because of apathy.

Fall to who?

You think the U.S. would allow that?

I think my sarcasm meter is broken. Has the USA done anything good in terms of world politics and peace in the last decade? Two illegal wars and constant threats of bombing followed my instability and exporting that instability from its occupied countries across the borders; Turkey and Pakistan to name two. The only reason India is of any value to the west is because it is still based on western principals and is a check against China.

Edit: I also think if Indians really cared for themselves they would have used a good chunk of the recent boom to uplift the extremely poor classes. It's unbelievable to see the poverty there.

What the fuck has Pakistan done? It's like talking to a child to get you guys to stand up for what's right. "Ok now Pakistan, you guys are doing a really really good job. I will buy you ice cream if you help get those terrorists".

What has ANY country done in terms of "world politics" and "peace"?

Pakistan has really done almost nothing for the entire world over the last 50-100 years...and that's not for 'world politics' and 'peace', but everything. It's a cesspool.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Ya, no kidding. People bitch when the US gets involved trying to make a difference and then they bitch when a country does nothing. I don't look at the US and think we are some sort of righteous bunch by going out of our borders and do what we do all of the time. I realize there is tons of corruption involved and I am not a supporter of the current war on terror, but doing nothing especially when things are happening outside of your borders which negatively impact your own country can be a lot worse depending on the situation imo.

I would have fully supported the US war if instead of disproportionate air power that kills innocent civilians they fought like real men. Yes you will lose a lot more soldiers but then again it wasn't the Afghan's that invited you to fight here. You have to realize that every innocent civilian killed creates more people willing to fight. Firstly; you are a foreign force. Then you use disproportionate force and expect the locals not to put up a resistance. Why should anybody trust the Americans that they are in Afghanistan for good? To get rid of the taliban? Why? When you have lied to invade Iraq and when you are killing innocent Afghans. Seriously though when given the option between living under the taliban or the Americans I'd chose the latter. That would not mean I wouldn't hate that. Most moderate muslims don't oppose the Afghan war; the oppose the way you fight it.

In war, people die whether they are wearing a uniform or not. No one likes that part. The US really hates it too which is demonstrated all of the time when you look at the tremendous amount of money which is dumped into the development of our advanced precision weaponry. It keeps getting better too. As it gets better, we will see less and less innocent people getting killed.

I advise you to get over the "real men" thing. Fighting like "real men" also results in a very large number of civilian casualties when the battle is fought around them which would be the case in this scenario. In addition, our country will never fight like that again unless we are forced to and I have no idea why that would ever happen unless we are blown back into the stone age. No one is ever going to choose the option where more of our troops get killed in the process. This is a concept which you are either going to have to learn accept or continue to hate for the remainder of your life.

 

[DomS]

aaaaaaand they just defused 18 more today

 

[firewall]

Blasts in B'lore, Ahmedabad a conspiracy: BJP

Press Trust Of India
New Delhi, July 28, 2008
First Published: 18:49 IST(28/7/2008)
Last Updated: 20:28 IST(28/7/2008)

BJP on Monday made a surprise allegation that the weekend blasts in Bangalore and Ahmedabad were a conspiracy to divert attention from the 'cash-for-votes' scandal.

The party also claimed that the blasts in two states ruled by it also made it believe that there was something more than meets the eye.

"The blasts are a conspiracy to divert attention from the cash-for-votes scandal," party leader Sushma Swaraj said in a press conference in New Delhi claiming that the incidents took place just a few days after the government won the trust vote.

"These are not off-the-cuff remarks. I mean what I say," she added.

When asked if she was pointing towards the Centre and alleging that the Congress-led UPA government had a role in the blasts, she said, "I have said what I wanted, it is for you all to interpret the rest."

The senior BJP leader also alleged that the blasts were an "attempt to win-over the Muslim votes which got divided after the pro-American deal pursued by the government."

Swaraj claimed that the blasts and its locations had enough "circumstantial evidence" to support her charge.

"Attacks in two BJP-ruled states in a span of two days and within four days of the UPA government winning the confidence vote has some meaning and what I am saying is proved by enough circumstantial evidence," she said.

She said absence of an anti-terror law like that of the POTA was the prime reason for the increased terrorist activity in the country.

Interesting... so it's just internal politics.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Ya, no kidding. People bitch when the US gets involved trying to make a difference and then they bitch when a country does nothing. I don't look at the US and think we are some sort of righteous bunch by going out of our borders and do what we do all of the time. I realize there is tons of corruption involved and I am not a supporter of the current war on terror, but doing nothing especially when things are happening outside of your borders which negatively impact your own country can be a lot worse depending on the situation imo.

I would have fully supported the US war if instead of disproportionate air power that kills innocent civilians they fought like real men. Yes you will lose a lot more soldiers but then again it wasn't the Afghan's that invited you to fight here. You have to realize that every innocent civilian killed creates more people willing to fight. Firstly; you are a foreign force. Then you use disproportionate force and expect the locals not to put up a resistance. Why should anybody trust the Americans that they are in Afghanistan for good? To get rid of the taliban? Why? When you have lied to invade Iraq and when you are killing innocent Afghans. Seriously though when given the option between living under the taliban or the Americans I'd chose the latter. That would not mean I wouldn't hate that. Most moderate muslims don't oppose the Afghan war; the oppose the way you fight it.

The Taliban (and Hezbollah, Hamas, AQIM, JAM, etc) are known for intentionally ambushing NATO/U.S. forces from positions deep within the civilian population - including schools, mosques, markets, etc. In fact, besides attacking innocents directly, it's their most common tactic!

The Taliban use Afghan and Pakistani civilians as cover and cannon fodder on purpose!.

The Taliban intentionally draw fire upon civilians.

WTF are we supposed to do when that happens? not fight back at all?! just accept our losses and wait for the rainy day when one of them is caught in the open?!

If and when the Taliban attack, do you think they call back to base to get permission to fire? Do you think they stop shooting when women or children run in front of them? Do you think that they give a flying fuck about the millions of innocent civilians they have killed in their attempts to fight or disparage NATO and US forces?!

The answer to all of those questions is a resounding "FUCK NO!" How the hell you can sit there with a straight fucking face and blame America for the brutality and evil of the Taliban, or for the deaths of the innocents that the Taliban hide behind everywhere they go, is beyond me... then again, you probably blame the US for everything wrong with your life, so I shouldnt be surprised.

"fight like men" indeed... :|

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Braznor

There are many problems in India. Security for instance, we have plenty of bombings going on with Maoists, Marxist, and Islamic insurgency everywhere. As a bonus, we have Pakistan and China as neighbors. The next problem is corruption causing the entire system to become rotten to the core.

The worse thing about India is nobody cares so long its not them. Its impossible to control a nation of one billion people The government repealed all terror laws in the holy name of minority appeasement. the bombings goon because it is impossible to control a nation of one billion people. with so many diverse traditions and of course, poverty.

Its all bound to fall someday and mark my words, it shall be because of apathy.

Fall to who?

You think the U.S. would allow that?

Has the USA done anything good in terms of world politics and peace in the last decade?

Has Pakistan done anything good for the world EVER?

LOL

I think it's time to do SOMETHING. India needs to do something.

they already have, replaced overpaid call center reps