My dad found out I'm agnostic

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Op,
It's OK ! Just think about it.... Whats the worse that could happen if you strive too far away from the catholic religion ? My guess is that you will have your balls burnt off by satan every day, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again for all of eternity.

Just trying to express my views !

P.S. It's ganna hurt like a bitch too !!!!

Ha, but remember... Jesus loves you.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: atybimf
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: doze
If you live in your parents house then you play by their rules

You have plenty of time to be an emo agnostic vegetarian (+ whatever else is currently trendy) when you grow up and move out.</blockquote>

Since when is wanting a good relationship with ones father emo?

To everyone else, thanks for the support. I was planning on sticking to my guns, but its tough because I've always been really close with him.

Don't worry about doze, including emo is likely the result of his own limitations. It's obvious he wasn't attempting to post a meaningful reply.

 

[zeruty]

Tell him you've decided to become mormon... He'll probably welcome you being agnostic after that.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: spidey07
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: spidey07
Keep in mind once you leave the Church you can't come back. So I can understand why this would bother him. He just wants what is best for you.</blockquote>

What are you talking about?</blockquote>

I always thought catholics can't come back if they denounce their faith. There's a few other things you can do that you can't come back as well like divorce.

<---Catholic

LOL.

It amazes me how many idiot "christians" don't know jack shit about the fucking religion they claim to believe in.

You are a total and utter moron.

 

[Journer]

i grew up in a pentecostal Christian home and was a church-goer/believer until i was about your age. The same thing happened with me (thought about everything and decided it wasn't possible to know; still that way BTW) and eventually I spoke with my parents about it. Luckily, i have kind and loving parents and they assured me that no matter what I did or chose to believe they would love me, but they were very concerned and wanted me to grow up a moral and god-fearing individual. I'm not a parent and until i am i can't really confirm this, but from what i gathered in my situation, your parents generally want to bring you up as they were or as they see fit because they feel that will make you happiest in life (unless you have shitty parents, that is). For my parents it has a lot to due with moral values and going to hell, etc. All they have requested from me is that I keep an open mind and never close myself so much that I could not even consider Christianity. I feel this is very understandable and I have kept an open mind (about all religions and walks of life, for that matter). I talk about the issue often with my parents and every time we get closer to how the other feels and it always ends with be open minded and think about things. The only advice i can give to you is talk to your parents about it and tell them how and why you feel the way you feel. I've always felt the only thing my parents really dislike about me is that i don't tell them how i feel and what i'm doing enough and they just want to know so they can help...or just to know how their son is doing. That isn't much for a parent to ask of their child so i think you should oblige and let them know if they want. Whatever the outcome may be, keep an open mind and never shun them away for their criticism and anger at your personal choice.

PM me if you have any personal questions oh, i'm 21 if age matters to you...

 

[RESmonkey]

RELIGION = FAIRY TALE !

 

[George P Burdell]

I thought threads got archived after 90 days of inactivity

 

[Journer]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
I thought threads got archived after 90 days of inactivity

wow, just realized how old this was...pft

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.</blockquote>

The problem with translations is that how the quote is interpreted is up to the point of view of the reader. For example, I could read that and take it to mean that it's perfectly ok for men to tell lies to women, but not to men. I could also interpret that to mean that women are not a subset of mankind.

Or does "lie" in this context mean "to lay down with"? Or, perhaps, "to have sex with"? In your opinion, it has a certain specific meaning, but how do you know that your opinion is correct? Did someone tell you?

Your confusion with the word "lie" happens after the word is translated from Latin. Prior to translation, there's no question about what's meant.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

satan and hell do not exist, even in Christianity.

Just curious what your basis is for this statement?

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: TheChort
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: cherrytwist
Just tell him you're gay and he'll forget about this Catholic stuff.</blockquote>

Hahaha! :laugh:
:thumbsup:

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Kadarin
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.</blockquote>

The problem with translations is that how the quote is interpreted is up to the point of view of the reader. For example, I could read that and take it to mean that it's perfectly ok for men to tell lies to women, but not to men. I could also interpret that to mean that women are not a subset of mankind.

Or does "lie" in this context mean "to lay down with"? Or, perhaps, "to have sex with"? In your opinion, it has a certain specific meaning, but how do you know that your opinion is correct? Did someone tell you?

Your confusion with the word "lie" happens after the word is translated from Latin. Prior to translation, there's no question about what's meant.

IIRC the Bible wasn't originally written in Latin. What did the original text say, and in how many different ways could it be interpreted?

 

[weflyhigh]

Doze states a valid point, but I don't know if this is the best situation for it

 

[wahoyaho]

Religion shouldn't be forced upon

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
lol.

Thanks for bumping a 16 month old thread.

Good job.

It has risen again! Just like Jesus! All hail the holy thread!

 

[Auric]

Goddamn zombie messiahs. Make sure it's a headshot this time.


The situation was not even aboot religion anyway. That's incidental to the questioning of authorita and mental framework. The closed-minded can only take it as a personal offense. Whether they can be faulted for that is debatable since it is inherently part of the package, as 'twere, and carrying on is easier.

 

[skace]

So the threads old, has your dad gotten over it yet? Tell him not to worry because Catholicism is about a stones throw from Agnosticism as it is. It's the difference between someone who goes to church once a year and someone who goes one less.

 

[TruePaige]

This is all just part of the uman condition.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Kadarin
<blockquote>quote:
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.</blockquote>

The problem with translations is that how the quote is interpreted is up to the point of view of the reader. For example, I could read that and take it to mean that it's perfectly ok for men to tell lies to women, but not to men. I could also interpret that to mean that women are not a subset of mankind.

Or does "lie" in this context mean "to lay down with"? Or, perhaps, "to have sex with"? In your opinion, it has a certain specific meaning, but how do you know that your opinion is correct? Did someone tell you?

Your confusion with the word "lie" happens after the word is translated from Latin. Prior to translation, there's no question about what's meant.

IIRC the Bible wasn't originally written in Latin. What did the original text say, and in how many different ways could it be interpreted?

The old testament was writtin in hebrrew, the new in greek.

???? ??? ????
?????? ????? ???
????? ??? ?????
??? ????? ?????
???

u·aish ashr ishkb ath-zkr mshkbi ashe thuobe oshu shni·em muth iumthu dmiem b·m

There is but 1 translation:
20:13 And if a man has sex relations with a man as he does with a woman, the two of them have done a disgusting thing: let them be put to death; their blood will be on them.

 

[Ilmater]

I'm not going to read through the 7 pages of this, so I'll just tell you what I would do.

I'm in the same boat - raised Catholic, now a Recovering Catholic - but I haven't told my parents a thing. If they ever ask, this is what I planned to tell them:

I simply can't MAKE myself believe in God. I also didn't MAKE myself NOT believe. I'm not completely discounting the possibility that there might be a God, but in my life, the only reason I have to believe in God is a book that was written thousands of years before I was born. If there is a God, then he/she made me, and therefore he or she understands fully that I'm the type of person that needs to see and feel something before I believe in it.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Amused
A man has to choose his own path. If your father will not sit down and rationally discuss your feelings and thoughts on this matter, just refuse to discuss it any further. To do so will only deepen the divide.

Exactly. That being said, at 15 and still living at home, you fall into the "His house and his rules" situation.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Amused
A man has to choose his own path. If your father will not sit down and rationally discuss your feelings and thoughts on this matter, just refuse to discuss it any further. To do so will only deepen the divide.

Exactly. That being said, at 15 and still living at home, you fall into the "His house and his rules" situation.

well, he is 16 now, maybe even 17. I wonder if he is still around to give us an update.

 

[child of wonder]

I sympathize with the OP. My parents didn't take it very well that I'm no longer Christian. I'm not anything, really.

However, they simply try to sneak Christianity onto my kids. Once a year my wife and I take a week off from work and the kids spend that time at my parents' house. They use that time to convert my 4 and 5 year old. :|

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: Journer
i grew up in a pentecostal Christian home and was a church-goer/believer until i was about your age. The same thing happened with me (thought about everything and decided it wasn't possible to know; still that way BTW) and eventually I spoke with my parents about it. Luckily, i have kind and loving parents and they assured me that no matter what I did or chose to believe they would love me, but they were very concerned and wanted me to grow up a moral and god-fearing individual. I'm not a parent and until i am i can't really confirm this, but from what i gathered in my situation, your parents generally want to bring you up as they were or as they see fit because they feel that will make you happiest in life (unless you have shitty parents, that is). For my parents it has a lot to due with moral values and going to hell, etc. All they have requested from me is that I keep an open mind and never close myself so much that I could not even consider Christianity. I feel this is very understandable and I have kept an open mind (about all religions and walks of life, for that matter). I talk about the issue often with my parents and every time we get closer to how the other feels and it always ends with be open minded and think about things. The only advice i can give to you is talk to your parents about it and tell them how and why you feel the way you feel. I've always felt the only thing my parents really dislike about me is that i don't tell them how i feel and what i'm doing enough and they just want to know so they can help...or just to know how their son is doing. That isn't much for a parent to ask of their child so i think you should oblige and let them know if they want. Whatever the outcome may be, keep an open mind and never shun them away for their criticism and anger at your personal choice.

PM me if you have any personal questions oh, i'm 21 if age matters to you...

You just wasted your time posting b/c this thread is over a year old and OP probably has forgotten about it.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
I sympathize with the OP. My parents didn't take it very well that I'm no longer Christian. I'm not anything, really.

However, they simply try to sneak Christianity onto my kids. Once a year my wife and I take a week off from work and the kids spend that time at my parents' house. They use that time to convert my 4 and 5 year old. :|

> 1 year post dude