My dogs killed my neighbor's cat

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Vegitto

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As a cat breeder, I can tell you that a Himalayan Tabby won't go for more than ~?700. I've never seen one go for more than ?1100. Change the ? into a $ and that's about the price of one in the USA. Also, the pics you'll find on the internet are usually mediums, meaning that they wouldn't win any prizes anyway. If you could post a pic of said cat (even though it's dead), I could tell you what a replacement would cost. (I don't have these cats, but I know someone who does.)
 

0roo0roo

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i guess the lesson is if ur dog kills a cat in ur yard, its time to bring out the shovel and never speak of it again.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Yeah but I bet a tamed Lion will kill a dog real easy... Darwin at work there.. oh but wait... not just any Sam Dick or Harry can own a Lion, let alone keep one in their backyard...

Why you ask?

Oh cuz it's a fckin LION. Same concept applies to Pit Bulls when case after case after case of them killing owners, babies, children, pregnant women, what have you. Pit Bulls should be treated as the dangerous animals that they are.

-Max

This I agree with. There are certain types of dogs which, in my opinion, just do not belong in society, at least not without special licensing and restrictions.
 

bluemax

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Originally posted by: eits
i bet the bitch strapped a t-bone on her cat's back and threw it in your yard so your dogs would eat the hell out of the cat so she could sue you...

Score!

Edit: PIC! A new high score!
 

B4RK0D3

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Crackheads gotta scheme money somehow. Though I feel bad for the cat, it's ridiculous and wrong to earn money off breeding (even if they didn't, haha). I think you're alright.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: Doboji
So I repeat my question.... are we talkin Pit Bulls here or what?

Who cares if they're demons summoned from hell? The cat still trespassed and the dogs are staying on their property.

Agreed... no matter how you look at it, the cat owners shouldn't get diddly squat except a bill for $200 to pay back the OP.

HOWEVER... I have a real problem with people who own pit bulls, I really think those dogs are too viscious to keep as pets.

-Max



Only if gang banger have them and train them to be vicious. Ever seen Little Rascles?

I think you're the victim of sensational news reports. Pit bull were the most popular dogs in america up until the 1960's and make great pets. But like any dog needs training and stern hand.. Besides pit bulls are very small dogs like 35-60 lbs. There are far more dangerous dogs than pitbulls. Corne Corso 140lbs, Dogo's, or a or Presa Canario which is 190lbs and looks just as intimidating as a pitbull not to mention the typical man stoppers like Shepards and Dobermans. I woould'nt worry your pretty little head about some little terrier.. with your girth you look like you sould just sit on one and kill him.

I do think people living in crowded areas dogs all dogs should have to pass a temperment test before a licence is issued though. Too many kids are bitten these days. I was bit in chest by a shepard as a kid still have scars and they still make me nervous.
 

JRich

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Zebo, my GSD was the sweetest 125lbs dog you'd ever meet It did make all my neighbors nervous though Anyway, that lady is nuts. You need to make her "move"
 

Zebo

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Dogs are not the problem. Like guns it's irresponsible owners which are the problem. Knee jerk statist answer is to ban pitbull ban pistols ban rotts ban smoking etc etc etc. But then there is no point in calling america land of the free after that I think.
 

So

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Dogs are not the problem. Like guns it's irresponsible owners which are the problem. Knee jerk statist answer is to ban pitbull ban pistols ban rotts ban smoking etc etc etc. But then there is no point in calling america land of the free after that I think.


The difference (I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here) is that dogs have to be controlled. You don't ever have to discipline your handgun to stop it from going off....
 

1sikbITCH

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Zebo
Dogs are not the problem. Like guns it's irresponsible owners which are the problem. Knee jerk statist answer is to ban pitbull ban pistols ban rotts ban smoking etc etc etc. But then there is no point in calling america land of the free after that I think.


The difference (I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here) is that dogs have to be controlled. You don't ever have to discipline your handgun to stop it from going off....

However, you can tell your dog to Hold, which means run right up to the perp and growl ferociously with his jaws an inch away from the perp's nuts or forearm, without telling the dog to Attack. You can then turn your back if you need to. You can't do that with a gun.

Also, you can give the Attack command to your dog, and then give the Release command before he actually kills or even inflicts any real damage. You can't call off a bullet.

http://www.kiewelworkingdogs.com/media/iwo/iwo-pro-001.MOV Great example although its quicktime and slow loading.

 

AMDZen

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Yea you have nothing to worry about, or anything to be responsible for in this situation.
 

AndrewR

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Where are all the cat people claiming that cats can fend off dogs? I remember a thread awhile back...

Anyway, the woman is an idiot, and the only thing I'd worry about is something happening to your dogs, as has been mentioned. You might want to call the District Attorney about the attempted extortion, though I doubt you'll get far. They might offer some advice, and you would at least alert them that something is happening. The cops are already familiar with them (incidentally, it's quite rich that they were cited for the cats!).

I cannot stand cat owners who let their mongrels parade around the neighborhood and use other people's lawns for their bathrooms. We had that problem in Japan, and I attempted several times to use a slingshot against the things (non-lethal bullets). Chasing them around the neighborhood with our 80lb Ridgeback did the trick eventually.

I just cannot understand the gall of cat owners releasing their animals to wander and then expressing shock and outrage when something bad befalls them. I would NEVER let me dog out by herself, and if she were to get out and be hurt, I wouldn't blame someone that did it.

Oh, and Proletariat is an idiot.
 

torpid

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Couple of questions... are dogs and cats really natrual enemies? It sounds odd to me, don't a lot of farmers have both dogs and cats? Maybe it depends on the dog breed.

Second, where in the world is the adoption fee for a cat only $9? I don't know of any humane society where that is true. It's $50 here or $75 for a kitten.

Third, while I don't think the OP has any liability, I must think that there are a LOT of cats that wander near unleashed dogs in the backyard and don't get killed. Cats are pretty stupid when they are curious. My cats only run in terror from dogs about half the time. Mostly when they bark loudly. I'm referring to those rare occasions when they run out into the apartment hallway when I get home and there's a dog nearby.
 

techster82

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I believe if I came upon a Dog attacking a cat I would pull up a lawn chair and a cold six pack and just enjoy.
 

40Hands

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Originally posted by: techster82
I believe if I came upon a Dog attacking a cat I would pull up a lawn chair and a cold six pack and just enjoy.

I believe that I would do the same if someone was mugging your ass.
 

Aquila76

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Originally posted by: patentman
I'm assuming your negihbor would sue you for the tort of negligence...i.e. you negligently let your dogs run free such such that they caused the death of her cat... In this case the neighbor has to prove 5 elements: 1. Duty; 2. Breach of Duty; 3. Actual Cause; 4. Proximate Cause; and 5. Harm (damage). I think her case is weak in the following respects:

First, I don't know where your duty of care with repect to your dogs extends to her cat. You maintained the dogs in the yard in a safe manner did you not? Further, even if you have a duty of care to your neighbor with respect to your dogs, you did not breach that duty with respect to her. In fact, I don;t see how you breached that duty at all. So long as you maintained your dogs in a safe manner in your yard, it is likely that a trier of fact (judge or jury) will find that you undertook reasoable precautions.

Second, even if duty and breach of duty are shown, your neighor has a causation problem. Your neighbor must show that your negligent acts were the actual and proximate cause of the harm. Actual cause is shown when "but for" the negligent act, the harm would not have occurred. Here, although it can be argued, it is likely that actual cause is met. Proximate cause, on the other hand, is much harder to show here. Proximate cause has to do with foreseeability...the more remote the negligent act is from the harm, the less likely proximate cause is met. Here, the death of your negihbors cat seems to be pretty remote from the act of letting your dogs out the door. Of course, this might be a different story if the facts were that you saw the cat in the yard, and set your dogs on it.

Third, even if, arguendo, all of the elements of tort negligence are met in your case, you have an absolute defense available to you. Namely that the plaintiff, your neighbor, volunatarily encountered the risk of harm when she allowed her cat to run about the neighborhood, knowing full well that you, her next door neighbor, owned several large dogs that patrolled your property. In U.S. courts, volenti non fit injuria, A willing victim cannot claim.

Moreover, if you live in a contributory negligence state you may or may not have an absolute defense. If your act of lettig your dogs out was negligent, so was her act of letting her cat out. In some states if a plaintiff contributes even 1% to the commision of the harm, then they cannot collect.. in other states, the amount the P can collect is reduced by the relative amount they contributed to the harm 9e.g. the jury awards $10, the plaintiff was 40% responsible for the accident, so the court gives the plaintiff $6)

Finally, if you are like me, and you think breeding cats is offensive and should be against the law, you could argue ex turpi causa non oritur acto (no right of action arises from despicable causes).... ok, this is a joke, but the other stuf is not.

With respect to damages: In most states a plaintiff can only recover "non-speculative" damages. In this case, that would mean that your neighbor could likely recover for the cost of the cat and maybe some pain an suffering. Future litters the cat "might" have had are too speculative to warrant damages, especially when replacement of the cat with another of reproducing age will compensate the plaintiff fully for any potential loss with the same amount of risk..

Finally, the grand disclaimer: I am a law student. I am not a lawyer. The information given above is not legal advice and should not be relied upon as legal advice. If you plan to undertake legal action, do not rely upon this information, get a lawyer. Any reliance upon the above informatin is at your own risk. I will not be held responsible for any harms or costs which may arise as the result of the above information.

I would have your lawyer buddy draft this up in a letter and send it certified mail to the cat lady. After her head explodes, you can point and laugh. $204.64 (Vet bill + cert. mail) well spent.
 

compuwiz1

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Do the woman, her husband, and her brother, at least have enough teeth between the 3 of them to make 1 full mouth?:laugh:
 

HomeAppraiser

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Originally posted by: torpid
, where in the world is the adoption fee for a cat only $9? I don't know of any humane society where that is true. It's $50 here or $75 for a kitten.

I was an old Judge Judy. As I recall the plantiffs cat was under the defendants house when he bug bombed the crawlspace with over the counter foggers.

Judge Judy awarded the replacement value of the cat, $9.00.

I can feel your neighbors pain, I had a loveable all black Bombay breed that got into some anti-freeze left on the ground by an irresponsible neighbor. That is why our two old cats now stay indoors.

BETTER INSIDE AND FAT, THAN OUTSIDE AND FLAT.

 

altonb1

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Doboji
Yeah but I bet a tamed Lion will kill a dog real easy... Darwin at work there.. oh but wait... not just any Sam Dick or Harry can own a Lion, let alone keep one in their backyard...

Why you ask?

Oh cuz it's a fckin LION. Same concept applies to Pit Bulls when case after case after case of them killing owners, babies, children, pregnant women, what have you. Pit Bulls should be treated as the dangerous animals that they are.

-Max

This I agree with. There are certain types of PEOPLE which, in my opinion, just do not belong in society, at least not without special licensing and restrictions.


FIXED! Start with Proletariat FTW!!!
 

ta8689

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Well, i guess if I bought a 6,000 dollar rare parrot, and let it roam around outside, then when the neighbor's cat killed it, i could sue her for 200,000 bucks because that damned brd cold have reproduced. By what she is saying... If I hit a woman with my car and killed her, I could get 150 life sentences, for all of the people she could have produced. I hope she gets arrested or something. or run over...
 

Boxxcar

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To the back of my backyard is hill country/greenbelt. It's just oak trees, cactus, and underbrush. I throw rubble, weeds, etc over the back fence all the time, including all the dead cats my dog kills. Gee, it seems like every other day I'm weeding the flowerbeds and I come across another blasted dead cat carcass. Over the fence it goes......
 
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Shens!!! Your yard, your dogs in your yard.......... if your dogs went into her yard and killed her cat, different story altogether........ if they do press this into court, I would make sure you have good "Legal Representation" Cause there is a lot of BS out there and who knows...... but I wouldn't feel guilty in the least....
 

Specop 007

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Originally posted by: Doboji
HOWEVER... I have a real problem with people who own pit bulls, I really think those dogs are too viscious to keep as pets.

-Max

Dont EVER say that.
Its not too dangerous to own its just that owners need to be held responsible.

Thats a dangerous, dangerous slippery slope.
Because then cars over 300 HP are "too dangerous to own", guns are "too dangerous to own", knives are "too dangerous to own" and the list goes on and on.

And just to clear it up, yes there have been cases where countries have tried to ban kitchen knives.
Why?
They were deemed too dangerous.
 
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