My dogs killed my neighbor's cat

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Child wanders into the street and gets hit by a car: we need stricter speed limits and speed bumps and speeders should get mandatory prison time and liscense taken away.

Cat wanders into neighbors yard and gets eaten by a dog: tough luck, dumb cat got what it deserved.

Lamest analogy of the day.

Not even remotely parallel... or true, for that matter.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Child wanders into the street and gets hit by a car: we need stricter speed limits and speed bumps and speeders should get mandatory prison time and liscense taken away.

Cat wanders into neighbors yard and gets eaten by a dog: tough luck, dumb cat got what it deserved.

Lamest analogy of the day.

Not even remotely parallel... or true, for that matter.

Agreed. Child wanders into the street and gets hit by a car = parent was irresponsible for letting the child wander into the street.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Oh really?
Then why are they continually pushing to regulate/ban more and more things?

Do you really think that our current set of laws was handed down on stone tablets, and have been under attack ever since?

On any major issue, there will be at least two opposing groups of people arguing to change the law one way or the other. The law will thus slowly adapt to conform to society, as society changes over time. You guys seem to have this weird attitude that everything about America in the 1950s was perfect, and that "they" have been trying to change that ever since.

Here's one for you: If the majority of Americans felt that laws were too restrictive as they are currently written, "they" would be pushing to deregulate/legalize more and more things. Just look at the trends of speed limits over time.

 

[jtusa]

If the cat was in your yard, tough for it. Your dogs were contained, the cat wasn't.

Also, in order for someone to breed an expensive animal like that, you have to have paperwork. Lineage of the animal for generations back, plus very detailed medical records, etc, of the animal in question. If any of this actually gets into the legal system, make sure you check that.

 

[Boxxcar]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

You are missing something ENTIRELY. Cats and dogs by nature don't get along. ALL DOGS have prey drive. Dogs are domesticated but that doesn't mean they aren't animals. I have cats so my dogs are cool with them.

Dogs that are not raised with or around cats are going to go after cats just like they will go after squirrels and rabbits.. Simple as that. It isn't an owners responsibility to socialize a dog with cats.

Entirely? I don't think so. I disagree that all dogs have "prey drive." Of course there are 100's of breeds and I am not claiming to be familiar with all of them. At least I have never come across one with the seek and destroy attitude. You read about them in the news, but then they are usually associated with mauling someone or something. Hence this topic. I've seen dogs bark a lot at cats, rabbits, or squirrels, but have never witnessed any mauling due to its instinct to kill. If a dog has this type of temperment that it must kill every little animal it can get its teeth around, then that dog is simply not safe to have around. That is just plain and simple lack of training and the owner is to blame for that. I guess the saying that the dogs bark is bigger than the bite, because most dogs will only just bark, bark, bark, but to actually kill is not right, at least not for a domesticated animal.

I don't mean to be a dick but there is no other way.

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/understand...-predatory-behavior-in-dogs/page1.aspx

ANY WORKING/HUNTING/ACTIVE dog has prey drive. A dachshund that is not raised with cats will absolutely destroy a cat if they can catch it. Fact of life. Dogs are prey animals and were domesticated to serve a purpose. To serve humans and do what a job we want them to do.

If you let a dog know that cats are not prey then it isn't a problem but the fact is a lot of dog people don't have cats. They have no responsibility to socialize their dogs with cats.

I don't think you're being a dick. You are proving your point. Well done..

I have no written proof, just my experience with both dogs and cats and the fact I've never witnessed a dog attack and kill anything. All of my dogs have been trained to the point that they will simply ignore a cat even if it walks right in front of them. At the end of the day, its the breed of dog and the trainer.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
I have no written proof, just my experience with both dogs and cats and the fact I've never witnessed a dog attack and kill anything. All of my dogs have been trained to the point that they will simply ignore a cat even if it walks right in front of them. At the end of the day, its the breed of dog and the trainer.

Not all dogs are professionally trained, or trained at all.

 

[Aquila76]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
Entirely? I don't think so. I disagree that all dogs have "prey drive." Of course there are 100's of breeds and I am not claiming to be familiar with all of them. At least I have never come across one with the seek and destroy attitude. You read about them in the news, but then they are usually associated with mauling someone or something. Hence this topic. I've seen dogs bark a lot at cats, rabbits, or squirrels, but have never witnessed any mauling due to its instinct to kill. If a dog has this type of temperment that it must kill every little animal it can get its teeth around, then that dog is simply not safe to have around. That is just plain and simple lack of training and the owner is to blame for that. I guess the saying that the dogs bark is bigger than the bite, because most dogs will only just bark, bark, bark, but to actually kill is not right, at least not for a domesticated animal.

I don't mean to be a dick but there is no other way.

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/understand...-predatory-behavior-in-dogs/page1.aspx

ANY WORKING/HUNTING/ACTIVE dog has prey drive. A dachshund that is not raised with cats will absolutely destroy a cat if they can catch it. Fact of life. Dogs are prey animals and were domesticated to serve a purpose. To serve humans and do what a job we want them to do.

If you let a dog know that cats are not prey then it isn't a problem but the fact is a lot of dog people don't have cats. They have no responsibility to socialize their dogs with cats.

Funny you mention Dachshunds. I own one, and while she won't go after our cat (indoor-only cat, btw), she does go after other cats, squirrels, birds, etc. that come into our yard. One night she caught a skunk and was thrashing it around BY THE FACE! She will instantly stop chasing or barking at something when commanded, however. My dog has never shown the least aggression to people, other dogs, or most other animals (including iguanas, but that's another story) and was never trained to be a hunter / killer, it's just the way dogs are. You can't expect to supress millions of years worth of instinct.

 

[Stuxnet]

You ever notice how frantic a cat gets when it's dropped from a foot or two off the ground? I mean it kicks and thrashes like crazy. It's a tough moment to enjoy because it's so short though. If you toss a cat off a 10 story building though, I wonder if it would kick around like that the whole way down. Would you get to watch 10 stories of it twisting violently, or would it only do that for a few feet while it gets all fours ready to land, and then spend the rest of the freefall simply careening toward the Earth in a standing position.

This just screams 'Mythbusters'.

 

[Boxxcar]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
I have no written proof, just my experience with both dogs and cats and the fact I've never witnessed a dog attack and kill anything. All of my dogs have been trained to the point that they will simply ignore a cat even if it walks right in front of them. At the end of the day, its the breed of dog and the trainer.

Not all dogs are professionally trained, or trained at all.

But they should be.

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
I have no written proof, just my experience with both dogs and cats and the fact I've never witnessed a dog attack and kill anything. All of my dogs have been trained to the point that they will simply ignore a cat even if it walks right in front of them. At the end of the day, its the breed of dog and the trainer.

Not all dogs are professionally trained, or trained at all.

But they should be.

why? are you going to cite cases where there were dogs that bit people? does that really have to do with people having their dogs professionally trained? maybe its more like having people treat their pets properly...

 

[Boxxcar]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
You ever notice how frantic a cat gets when it's dropped from a foot or two off the ground? I mean it kicks and thrashes like crazy. It's a tough moment to enjoy because it's so short though. If you toss a cat off a 10 story building though, I wonder if it would kick around like that the whole way down. Would you get to watch 10 stories of it twisting violently, or would it only do that for a few feet while it gets all fours ready to land, and then spend the rest of the freefall simply careening toward the Earth in a standing position.

This just screams 'Mythbusters'.

Actually, after a while of free falling they will just stop wiggling. Our's did we went bungie jumping last summer. She didn't want to take the first step so we ended up tossing her over the side.

 

[Codewiz]

Human aggression and dog/animal aggression are totally different.

Staffordshire Terriers are considered the "nanny" dog in the UK. However they typically are not good with other dogs. They do have dog aggression issues unless extremely well socialize. Dog/animal aggression != Human aggression.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

Originally posted by: jbourne77
You ever notice how frantic a cat gets when it's dropped from a foot or two off the ground? I mean it kicks and thrashes like crazy. It's a tough moment to enjoy because it's so short though. If you toss a cat off a 10 story building though, I wonder if it would kick around like that the whole way down. Would you get to watch 10 stories of it twisting violently, or would it only do that for a few feet while it gets all fours ready to land, and then spend the rest of the freefall simply careening toward the Earth in a standing position.

This just screams 'Mythbusters'.

Actually, after a while of free falling they will just stop wiggling. Our's did we went bungie jumping last summer. She didn't want to take the first step so we ended up tossing her over the side.

Holy cow I bet that left a long trail of fecal matter on the way down. I've seen cats when they wig out... when they run out of contents in their bowels, they start ejecting organs.

Anyway, MYTH BUSTED!

:thumbsup:

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

I can't believe the stupidity of this post, it's just astounding.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat?

Any dog (large enough) will attempt to if not raised with cats. My german shepards where raised along with kittens and are fine with cats, but have cornered and killed two rattlesnakes in the back yard. Are you suggesting that my dogs are vicious because they killed snakes?

but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

What a load of crap.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Presumably they weren't introduced to each other both as adults, one was a kitten or puppy at the time?

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Wrong. Legally and morally, just plain wrong. Dogs roam too, ALL ANIMALS ROAM, why is forcing your dog to live in your yard ok but not your cat (oh yea, your cat can jump so you can't control it). Thats really the only difference.

Has your roaming cat brought you back and mice or bird remains? It's common for outdoor cats to bring such things back to their owners. I will presume yours has, how is that ANY different?

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

Seriously, your a tool if you believe this.

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

Wrong, wrong, wrong. His dogs acted appropriately for the situation.

I am just amazed that given even the most clear cut situation, there is always some subset of people who will blame the victim.

Bill

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

I can't believe the stupidity of this post, it's just astounding.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat?

Any dog (large enough) will attempt to if not raised with cats. My german shepards where raised along with kittens and are fine with cats, but have cornered and killed two rattlesnakes in the back yard. Are you suggesting that my dogs are vicious because they killed snakes?

but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

What a load of crap.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Presumably they weren't introduced to each other both as adults, one was a kitten or puppy at the time?

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Wrong. Legally and morally, just plain wrong. Dogs roam to, ALL ANIMALS ROAM, why is forcing your dog to live in your yard ok but not your cat (oh yea, your cat can jump so you can't control it). Thats really the only difference.

Has your roaming cat brought you back and mice or bird remains? It's common for outdoor cats to bring such things back to their owners. I will presume yours has, how is that ANY different?

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

Seriously, your a tool if you believe this.

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

Wrong, wrong, wrong. His dogs acted appropriately for the situation.

I am just amazed that given even the most clear cut situation, there is always some subset of people who will blame the victim.

Bill

Well put.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
You ever notice how frantic a cat gets when it's dropped from a foot or two off the ground? I mean it kicks and thrashes like crazy. It's a tough moment to enjoy because it's so short though. If you toss a cat off a 10 story building though, I wonder if it would kick around like that the whole way down. Would you get to watch 10 stories of it twisting violently, or would it only do that for a few feet while it gets all fours ready to land, and then spend the rest of the freefall simply careening toward the Earth in a standing position.

This just screams 'Mythbusters'.

What? I have never seen anything remotely like what you describe in a cat. I drop a cat from a foot off the ground and it barely moves and doesn't really even care.

 

[bsobel]

What? I have never seen anything remotely like what you describe in a cat. I drop a cat from a foot off the ground and it barely moves and doesn't really even care.

While wildly off topic, what the poster was refering to is the strong 'righting' ability a cat has (the ability to rotate to a feet first prepared for impact landing stance). I presume when you dropped your cat from a 'foot' it's feet where already down. Try doing that (well, don't actually try, just imagine) doing that with your cat on it's back from a foot up). The cat needs a certain distance to rotate it's body for landing.

Turns out that falls (back first for example) where the cat doesn't have enough room to right himself are much more dangerous than falls from slightly higher where they can. Of course, there is a limit much higher and even righted there is often signifigant injury.

See why cats land on their feet for more info...

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: jbourne77
You ever notice how frantic a cat gets when it's dropped from a foot or two off the ground? I mean it kicks and thrashes like crazy. It's a tough moment to enjoy because it's so short though. If you toss a cat off a 10 story building though, I wonder if it would kick around like that the whole way down. Would you get to watch 10 stories of it twisting violently, or would it only do that for a few feet while it gets all fours ready to land, and then spend the rest of the freefall simply careening toward the Earth in a standing position.

This just screams 'Mythbusters'.

What? I have never seen anything remotely like what you describe in a cat. I drop a cat from a foot off the ground and it barely moves and doesn't really even care.

Drop from a higher elevation.

Repeat until desired effect achieved (crippled/dead cat).

 

[Boxxcar]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. His dogs acted appropriately for the situation.

I am just amazed that given even the most clear cut situation, there is always some subset of people who will blame the victim.

Bill
[/quote]

A tool? What a schmuck! I'm not blaming any victim.

I'm not taking sides with either the OP or the sleezebag lady next door. I'm merely making the point that if you own a dog, train it! Train it to obey your commands. I get sick of people who buy animals then never do anything with them. You know who they are... They're the one's who are being jerked down the street with a dislocated shoulder because their dog isn't trained to walk by their side. They're the one's who have one or two dogs in the backyard who constantly bark 24/7 (and then kills anything that might happen to pop in for a visit). They're the ones who buy those extending dog leashes that allow the dog to run 20 feet into everybody's front yard as they are "walking their dog" They're the one's who have no control over their animal.

BTW.. the cat I have now has never brought me any headless prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did though. She ate a grasshopper, then puked all over the patio. Does that count? Catching mice and birds are a different story. I am not aware of too many domesticated mice and birds - they are pretty much wild and fair game.

Domesticated dogs and cats are not wild animals, however, left untrained, I suppose they would be rather wild. Dogs don't roam because basically it's against the law and responsible owners don't allow it. When was the last time you saw a cat on a leash? I personally do not understand people who keeps cats indoors all the time and never let them out. I also do not understand people who declaw cats. That's the ultimate of cruelty. The USA seems to be the only nation in the world that practices this. (not confirmed)

Anyway, any further discussion here is futile. You know, you can live in a neighborhood with a bunch of kids ripping up and down the street and all over your property, and if you don't like it, you can always approach the kids parents and have a discussion about maybe talking to the kids about staying off of your property or whatever the case may be. BUT Holy sh*t, how dare anyone ever say something negative about their dog. That is just down-right not acceptable. Funny how the only people who ever get approached by anyone else wanting to lodge a complain against their animal is the same person who can't be bothered to train it. If it was trained in the first place, chances are you wouldn't have neighbors knocking on your door.

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

They're the ones who buy those extending dog leashes that allow the dog to run 20 feet into everybody's front yard as they are "walking their dog" They're the one's who have no control over their animal.

When was the last time you saw a cat on a leash? I personally do not understand people who keeps cats indoors all the time and never let them out.

Those two statements are a bit contradicting don't you think? Why is it not ok for my dog, on a leash, to wonder into your yard, but your cat can roam all over mine? There is a reason neighborhood cats don't come into my yard, and it has to do with my 85lbs Black & Tan Treeing Coonhound.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

Wrong, wrong, wrong. His dogs acted appropriately for the situation.

I am just amazed that given even the most clear cut situation, there is always some subset of people who will blame the victim.

Bill

A tool? What a schmuck! I'm not blaming any victim.

I'm not taking sides with either the OP or the sleezebag lady next door. I'm merely making the point that if you own a dog, train it! Train it to obey your commands. I get sick of people who buy animals then never do anything with them. You know who they are... They're the one's who are being jerked down the street with a dislocated shoulder because their dog isn't trained to walk by their side. They're the one's who have one or two dogs in the backyard who constantly bark 24/7 (and then kills anything that might happen to pop in for a visit). They're the ones who buy those extending dog leashes that allow the dog to run 20 feet into everybody's front yard as they are "walking their dog" They're the one's who have no control over their animal.

BTW.. the cat I have now has never brought me any headless prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did though. She ate a grasshopper, then puked all over the patio. Does that count? Catching mice and birds are a different story. I am not aware of too many domesticated mice and birds - they are pretty much wild and fair game.

Domesticated dogs and cats are not wild animals, however, left untrained, I suppose they would be rather wild. Dogs don't roam because basically it's against the law and responsible owners don't allow it. When was the last time you saw a cat on a leash? I personally do not understand people who keeps cats indoors all the time and never let them out. I also do not understand people who declaw cats. That's the ultimate of cruelty. The USA seems to be the only nation in the world that practices this. (not confirmed)

Anyway, any further discussion here is futile. You know, you can live in a neighborhood with a bunch of kids ripping up and down the street and all over your property, and if you don't like it, you can always approach the kids parents and have a discussion about maybe talking to the kids about staying off of your property or whatever the case may be. BUT Holy sh*t, how dare anyone ever say something negative about their dog. That is just down-right not acceptable. Funny how the only people who ever get approached by anyone else wanting to lodge a complain against their animal is the same person who can't be bothered to train it. If it was trained in the first place, chances are you wouldn't have neighbors knocking on your door.[/quote]


You're an idiot. How do you know the dogs don't obey his commands. Just because they killed a cat that trespassed on their property, it means nothing. Yes, we all have time to go train our dogs not to kill cats. :roll: Quit bitching about crap that is irrelevant to the OPs post. Also, quit speaking out of your ass and making yourself look more like an idiot. :thumbsup:

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
I'm merely making the point that if you own a dog, train it! Train it to obey your commands.

Another thing here, I'll train my dog to obey me, if you train your cat to stay the fvck out my yard. Deal?

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

Wrong, wrong, wrong. His dogs acted appropriately for the situation.

I am just amazed that given even the most clear cut situation, there is always some subset of people who will blame the victim.

Bill

A tool? What a schmuck! I'm not blaming any victim.

I'm not taking sides with either the OP or the sleezebag lady next door. I'm merely making the point that if you own a dog, train it! Train it to obey your commands. I get sick of people who buy animals then never do anything with them. You know who they are... They're the one's who are being jerked down the street with a dislocated shoulder because their dog isn't trained to walk by their side. They're the one's who have one or two dogs in the backyard who constantly bark 24/7 (and then kills anything that might happen to pop in for a visit). They're the ones who buy those extending dog leashes that allow the dog to run 20 feet into everybody's front yard as they are "walking their dog" They're the one's who have no control over their animal.

BTW.. the cat I have now has never brought me any headless prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did though. She ate a grasshopper, then puked all over the patio. Does that count? Catching mice and birds are a different story. I am not aware of too many domesticated mice and birds - they are pretty much wild and fair game.

Domesticated dogs and cats are not wild animals, however, left untrained, I suppose they would be rather wild. Dogs don't roam because basically it's against the law and responsible owners don't allow it. When was the last time you saw a cat on a leash? I personally do not understand people who keeps cats indoors all the time and never let them out. I also do not understand people who declaw cats. That's the ultimate of cruelty. The USA seems to be the only nation in the world that practices this. (not confirmed)

Anyway, any further discussion here is futile. You know, you can live in a neighborhood with a bunch of kids ripping up and down the street and all over your property, and if you don't like it, you can always approach the kids parents and have a discussion about maybe talking to the kids about staying off of your property or whatever the case may be. BUT Holy sh*t, how dare anyone ever say something negative about their dog. That is just down-right not acceptable. Funny how the only people who ever get approached by anyone else wanting to lodge a complain against their animal is the same person who can't be bothered to train it. If it was trained in the first place, chances are you wouldn't have neighbors knocking on your door.[/quote]

It would be best if everyone pet owner trained their dogs and kept watch over them as much as possible, that would be most responsible.

However, you can never fully contain natural animal instinct. You can send your pet to training for years and discipline the hell out of it, but there will always be a chance that something inside him will "snap" and he kicks into animal instinct.

Now we don't know what the cat was doing in the yard, maybe it was doing something to provoke the dogs or maybe just the dogs instincts kicked in and they were aggressive to it from the start.

The point is that OP has no fault here at all. His dogs were contained and the cat came into his property. How you don't understand or see that is baffling. It is clear cut that everyone should side with the OP.

Yes it sucks that the cat died and this whole situation arose, but OP did everything and more that should have been done.

Now if his dogs were in a park or were loose and running around his neighborhood, then yes he would have fault. But that was not the case, and OP is completely faultless here.

 

[bsobel]

BTW.. the cat I have now has never brought me any headless prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did though. She ate a grasshopper, then puked all over the patio. Does that count? Catching mice and birds are a different story. I am not aware of too many domesticated mice and birds - they are pretty much wild and fair game.

So, mice and birds are fair game for your cat, but your cat isn't fair game for dogs. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Boxxcar]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY

Originally posted by: Boxxcar

Wrong, wrong, wrong. His dogs acted appropriately for the situation.

I am just amazed that given even the most clear cut situation, there is always some subset of people who will blame the victim.

Bill

A tool? What a schmuck! I'm not blaming any victim.

I'm not taking sides with either the OP or the sleezebag lady next door. I'm merely making the point that if you own a dog, train it! Train it to obey your commands. I get sick of people who buy animals then never do anything with them. You know who they are... They're the one's who are being jerked down the street with a dislocated shoulder because their dog isn't trained to walk by their side. They're the one's who have one or two dogs in the backyard who constantly bark 24/7 (and then kills anything that might happen to pop in for a visit). They're the ones who buy those extending dog leashes that allow the dog to run 20 feet into everybody's front yard as they are "walking their dog" They're the one's who have no control over their animal.

BTW.. the cat I have now has never brought me any headless prizes. I wouldn't be surprised if she did though. She ate a grasshopper, then puked all over the patio. Does that count? Catching mice and birds are a different story. I am not aware of too many domesticated mice and birds - they are pretty much wild and fair game.

Domesticated dogs and cats are not wild animals, however, left untrained, I suppose they would be rather wild. Dogs don't roam because basically it's against the law and responsible owners don't allow it. When was the last time you saw a cat on a leash? I personally do not understand people who keeps cats indoors all the time and never let them out. I also do not understand people who declaw cats. That's the ultimate of cruelty. The USA seems to be the only nation in the world that practices this. (not confirmed)

Anyway, any further discussion here is futile. You know, you can live in a neighborhood with a bunch of kids ripping up and down the street and all over your property, and if you don't like it, you can always approach the kids parents and have a discussion about maybe talking to the kids about staying off of your property or whatever the case may be. BUT Holy sh*t, how dare anyone ever say something negative about their dog. That is just down-right not acceptable. Funny how the only people who ever get approached by anyone else wanting to lodge a complain against their animal is the same person who can't be bothered to train it. If it was trained in the first place, chances are you wouldn't have neighbors knocking on your door.

You're an idiot. How do you know the dogs don't obey his commands. Just because they killed a cat that trespassed on their property, it means nothing. Yes, we all have time to go train our dogs not to kill cats. :roll: Quit bitching about crap that is irrelevant to the OPs post. Also, quit speaking out of your ass and making yourself look more like an idiot. :thumbsup:[/quote]

You're absolutely right, I'm entirely wrong and I'm not allowed an opinion. I am completely off topic and pet training is something completely irrelevant to the OP. That's what you want to hear.

In the end, your thoughts about how the dog ripped another animal to shreds because the cat trespassed was warranted and is shared amongst of the majority of people on this thread. Now there's a sign to post on the fence, "NO TRESPESSING CATS" Unfortunately, that's the biggest trouble with Americans today. They have this gleeming FVCK YOU atttitude whenever their confronted with something they don't like or didn't want to hear. I'm surprised someone hasn't hit me with a lawsuit for having an opinion. I'd be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority who think the dogs killing the cat was OK own guns too, huh? That's another topic....