My dogs killed my neighbor's cat

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Armitage

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Originally posted by: smut
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Why would they only want $180K from you? Surely, they would keep 3-5 female kittens that would each produce at least 90 other kittens , who would each produce at least another 180K in income. If we extrapolate that out over your neighbors? projected remaining life of another 35 years, it seems like you could be in the hole for Millions. I'd probably consider paying her the 180K + a little extra just to make her happy and call it a day. Realize how easy you are getting off.

haha are you serious!??! is he going to pull the 180k out of his back pocket? ANd how is getting off easy? HE DID NOTHING WRONG IN ANY LEGAL SENSE. Prove he did something illegal please!

Is your sarcasm meter still under warranty?
 

Axoliien

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Good luck, I'm sorry to hear about the cat and the problems your neighbor is causing, but if you took this to court and your lawyer asked then why the let a $180,000 potential animal run wild then that will probably be the end of that. I would even consider having your lawyer look up negligence for allowing her cat to roam free and tresspass on your lawn, thereby showing she allowed the cat to die, which would be animal neglect if you ask me. Maybe even call the animal abuse hotline if you have one in town and ask if that would constitute her being examined for abuse and neglect. It's not just about the money, but if her neglect is going to allow her animals to be killed then she should face the consequences for it.
 

NogginBoink

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Originally posted by: Injury
Oh, and before she can sue you, sue her for the costs of the vet bill. Teach her to STFU and stop being a b!tch.

I thought that at first, too, but I don't think that's a good idea. IF you sue her for the vet bill, that could be evidence that you acknowledge that the cat is hers, which she might be able to use if she then attempted to sue you, claiming you acknowlege her ownership of the cat.

I don't think she'd win if she sued you (standard IANAL disclaimer), but she could make it expensive for you to defend yourself.

I stop talking to this woman and her 'representatives.' If she her or cronies come up to you to talk about it, politely but firmly tell her that she should talk to your lawyer. Remember the first rule of legal battles: SHUT UP!

The antifreeze suggestion, while it may be comforting to contemplate, could probably get you in serious legal trouble and I'd recommend you limit this to your daydreams.

Also, if the crazy loon were serious enough to go to court, remember she might try to use stuff in this thread against you, so be careful what you say here. (Although I seriously doubt she'll take you to court and further doubt she'd be able to find this thread, but hey it's a possibility.)

-Noggin
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
All you a$$hats that are so anti-pitbull are complete IDIOTS. The issue with pitbulls is not the dogs. It is irresponsible breeders and owners.

Basically you people want to punish the thousands and thousands of law abiding pitbull owners who's dog would never harm a person. If you don't believe me, what the dog whisperer on the national geographic channel. Cesar Millan has proven time and time again it is not vicious dogs that are the problem, it is reckless humans. So yeah, lets blame the dog breed.

That is the simple way out. Then we can ban the NEW NUMBER ONE DOG that attacks people until we have no dogs left.

Because there is no accountability but be honest with yourself. Can you pick out the pitbull out of this lineup? I bet you can't. The fact is that most dogs attributed as pitbulls aren't even pitbulls.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Take a look and be honest. do you even know what a pitbull is?

http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/

Check out the video

I have read every post (sadly in the case of one poster) an I will say one thing about. She is a crack pot and don't pay.

As for those links. Thanks, I usually am not very emotional and I didn't even blink when I saw the beaten and depraved dogs. But those pictures with the pitbulls with their families made my eyes water and has convinced me even though I am a big fan of German Shepards, that once I own a house I will be purchasing a PB. I fogot how cute and adorable a happy PB is. I especially love the ones whos smiles reach around almost to their ears.

Thanks for the Links, and everyone really needs to have the audio turned on when watching the movie.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
All you a$$hats that are so anti-pitbull are complete IDIOTS. The issue with pitbulls is not the dogs. It is irresponsible breeders and owners.

Basically you people want to punish the thousands and thousands of law abiding pitbull owners who's dog would never harm a person. If you don't believe me, what the dog whisperer on the national geographic channel. Cesar Millan has proven time and time again it is not vicious dogs that are the problem, it is reckless humans. So yeah, lets blame the dog breed.

That is the simple way out. Then we can ban the NEW NUMBER ONE DOG that attacks people until we have no dogs left.

Because there is no accountability but be honest with yourself. Can you pick out the pitbull out of this lineup? I bet you can't. The fact is that most dogs attributed as pitbulls aren't even pitbulls.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Take a look and be honest. do you even know what a pitbull is?

http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/

Check out the video

Sorry man, as horrible as it is that pit bulls are abused and forced to endure those conditions, I wonder if you could teach a Dachsund, a Lab, or any other dog to fight so aggressively?

That video shows pit bulls being abused, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to show that just about every other species of dog is equally abused in kennels, by horrible owners, and by random people that think abusing an animal is something fun. Out of those animals abused, which have a disposition capable of killing a person?

My aunt started Pets and People, a now large organization dedicated to helping those neglected and abused animals. She's saved the lives of literally thousands of dogs, cats, and other animals of all species. She has to keep separate quarters for pits, pinchers, and others I can't remember because they attack and kill the other dogs. Yes, these dogs were abused (not fighter pits), but so were the others.

So, to me the true test of any animal is how you react under threat or abuse. There are many species of dog that are just as loyal and trusting even after having been abused. Can you or anyone else say the same about a pit? I can't, and I believe it's this aspect of the animal to which people object. It's not that they're inherently violent, but that they have an overwhelming propensity to be so.

That's my opinion. I'm sure you'll disagree, but please do so without simply calling me a moron in the standard ATOT fashion.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Topweasel
Originally posted by: Codewiz
All you a$$hats that are so anti-pitbull are complete IDIOTS. The issue with pitbulls is not the dogs. It is irresponsible breeders and owners.

Basically you people want to punish the thousands and thousands of law abiding pitbull owners who's dog would never harm a person. If you don't believe me, what the dog whisperer on the national geographic channel. Cesar Millan has proven time and time again it is not vicious dogs that are the problem, it is reckless humans. So yeah, lets blame the dog breed.

That is the simple way out. Then we can ban the NEW NUMBER ONE DOG that attacks people until we have no dogs left.

Because there is no accountability but be honest with yourself. Can you pick out the pitbull out of this lineup? I bet you can't. The fact is that most dogs attributed as pitbulls aren't even pitbulls.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Take a look and be honest. do you even know what a pitbull is?

http://www.pitbullproblem.tk/

Check out the video

I have read every post (sadly in the case of one poster) an I will say one thing about. She is a crack pot and don't pay.

As for those links. Thanks, I usually am not very emotional and I didn't even blink when I saw the beaten and depraved dogs. But those pictures with the pitbulls with their families made my eyes water and has convinced me even though I am a big fan of German Shepards, that once I own a house I will be purchasing a PB. I fogot how cute and adorable a happy PB is. I especially love the ones whos smiles reach around almost to their ears.

Thanks for the Links, and everyone really needs to have the audio turned on when watching the movie.

I don't own a pitbull but I do own an american bulldog/boston terrier mix and I am getting an american bulldog/english bulldog mix tomorrow.

I will never own another dog that isn't a bully breed. Bully breeds are some of the most loyal friendly dogs a person can ever own.

I just get angry when people blame a breed of dog instead of the root problem. Horrible human beings that cause the problem.

The reason pitbulls get a bad name is because stupid people think it makes them look tough to have one. They think they are macho.

I do not believe in dog fighting but here is a fact that most people don't realize. The pitbull breed as I am sure you know was bred to fight other dogs. They are typically animal aggressive. HOWEVER, they were bred to fight other dogs. They were never allowed to attack humans. The OLD SCHOOL(50-100 years old) dog fighters did not fight their dogs to the death and they did not tolerate human aggression. The dog handlers usually stood IN THE RING while the dog fight took place. They typically broke up the fight when they could see one dog had won the fight. If any dog ever showed human aggression it was killed on the spot.

Human aggression was not tolerated and was completely removed from the gene pool of all fighting dogs.

Pitbulls by nature are not human aggressive. They are made aggressive by moronic people who think they are tough for owning one.



Now back to the thread. If your dog killed a cat but wasn't raised with cats then it is normal. My dogs love cats because they were raised with them. However their prey drive kicks in anytime they see a squirrel.

My dog would kill a squerrel if she could catch one. The cat owners are idiots and it isn't your problem. Screw'em.
 

edro

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I am pretty sure he is still liable.

If the lady wandered onto his property and got attacked, he is liable, even if there is a fence surrounding his property. I see no reason why a person's property (the cat) is any different.

Not that I agree with the law, but it is what it is.
 

Boxxcar

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My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!
 

DrPizza

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Anyhow, he says the cat is a Himalayan Tabby and to replace would cost $2000 for the cat, plus another $300 for misc vet setup fees (like vacinations) and finnally, assuming they kept on pace with breeding her twice a year (which they claim they were) and a litter of 5 a time, the cat would still have 9 yrs of breed time = 90 kittens that would have been sold, meaning I should owe them $180,000. If I could not pay, then they would take me to court, or perhaps find some "middle ground".

Have them put that agreement in writing, "so you have something to take to your insurance agent." Also, have them list the age of the cat.

I really really hope they're stupid enough to do something like that (put it in writing.) As soon as they do, as well as give you the age of the cat, they you can back track to when it's 1 year old, to find out how many thousands of dollars they've made in undeclared income. (Simply give a copy to the IRS; don't threaten that you'll report them to the IRS) which brings up point 2:

While I'm no lawyer, I tend to believe that there's something in the category of "fraud" when they expect you to pay such a sum.

And, for what it's worth, the only way one of those kittens is going to be worth $2000 is if both parents came from champion bloodlines and had won numerous ribbons, and the kitten was "perfect." Otherwise, the going price is far below $2000.

 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

You are missing something ENTIRELY. Cats and dogs by nature don't get along. ALL DOGS have prey drive. Dogs are domesticated but that doesn't mean they aren't animals. I have cats so my dogs are cool with them.

Dogs that are not raised with or around cats are going to go after cats just like they will go after squirrels and rabbits.. Simple as that. It isn't an owners responsibility to socialize a dog with cats.
 

Boxxcar

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

You are missing something ENTIRELY. Cats and dogs by nature don't get along. ALL DOGS have prey drive. Dogs are domesticated but that doesn't mean they aren't animals. I have cats so my dogs are cool with them.

Dogs that are not raised with or around cats are going to go after cats just like they will go after squirrels and rabbits.. Simple as that. It isn't an owners responsibility to socialize a dog with cats.

Entirely? I don't think so. I disagree that all dogs have "prey drive." Of course there are 100's of breeds and I am not claiming to be familiar with all of them. At least I have never come across one with the seek and destroy attitude. You read about them in the news, but then they are usually associated with mauling someone or something. Hence this topic. I've seen dogs bark a lot at cats, rabbits, or squirrels, but have never witnessed any mauling due to its instinct to kill. If a dog has this type of temperment that it must kill every little animal it can get its teeth around, then that dog is simply not safe to have around. That is just plain and simple lack of training and the owner is to blame for that. I guess the saying that the dogs bark is bigger than the bite, because most dogs will only just bark, bark, bark, but to actually kill is not right, at least not for a domesticated animal.
 

sourceninja

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My aikido instructor works for a pet refuge. They take in strays and help get them into good homes. All of the dogs they foster are differentt. Some have no problem with their cats, other's have a temporary problem until it is worked out. Some just will never cool out and will attempt to kill on sight. Breed seems to play no part in this. Its just the dog.
 

Accipiter22

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i know...i thought of that yesterday after replying....what kind of dog kills something like that? Natural enemies, yes....but ripping it to shreds isn't normal
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Boxxcar
Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel

Then maybe you shouldn't own a cat unless you can provide enough land for it. My property = not your land.

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed

Not my responsibility. Your cat = your responsibility. I shouldn't have to take a bunch of countermeasures just because you wanted a pet and can't keep it contained to your own property.

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
but killing them is not one of them.

****** on my $10,000 landscaping enough times, and we'll see about that.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Accipiter22
i know...i thought of that yesterday after replying....what kind of dog kills something like that? Natural enemies, yes....but ripping it to shreds isn't normal

It's normal if the cat was giving you attitude.

 

maziwanka

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hahaha. i'm highly amused by those who think that the OP is at fault in any way. I especially am amused at the action Proletariat would take (kicking the sh1t out of the owner).

i'd love for the neighbor to sue for assault and battery in addition to harassment. buncha morons posting in this thread
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

You are missing something ENTIRELY. Cats and dogs by nature don't get along. ALL DOGS have prey drive. Dogs are domesticated but that doesn't mean they aren't animals. I have cats so my dogs are cool with them.

Dogs that are not raised with or around cats are going to go after cats just like they will go after squirrels and rabbits.. Simple as that. It isn't an owners responsibility to socialize a dog with cats.

You might think it is cruel to keep an animal that you have raised an animal that has free reign in a nice cozy house house without enemies roam around the streets bothering everybody. But to me that seems retarded to me taking a creature raised with no enemies in nature and to release it into the wild where anything can and will happen. Whether it be a car, a dog, a kid with issues, any other feral animal. Now some people think that a dog shouldn't be attacking a cat, but keep in mind most people have actually been proud of their dog for getting the mole, or hunting the squirells, standing up to the racoon. I know I would be, and honestly I would feel sorry for the cat that is someones pet, but with my parents old house (my sisters now) it is completely infested (or was) with stray cats. I am going to help them build a fence in their back yard so that their dog can have free reign back there to eliminate them. Again I don't condone killing another persons pet, but tags or not when a cat walks into another persons yard it has become a stray for all intents and purposes, and even if it was possible I wouldn't try to teach a dog the diffrernce between a tagged cat and one that isn't.
 

maziwanka

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plus, i feel that a lot of these people that fail to understand why a dog would kill another animal have never had dogs.

are you surprised to see a cat rip a mouse to shreds or a bird to shreds (have you ever seen a cat just play with their victims)?
 

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Child wanders into the street and gets hit by a car: we need stricter speed limits and speed bumps and speeders should get mandatory prison time and liscense taken away.

Cat wanders into neighbors yard and gets eaten by a dog: tough luck, dumb cat got what it deserved.
 

Topweasel

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Originally posted by: maziwanka
plus, i feel that a lot of these people that fail to understand why a dog would kill another animal have never had dogs.

are you surprised to see a cat rip a mouse to shreds or a bird to shreds (have you ever seen a cat just play with their victims)?


Hell I have even seen a kitten try to shoot someone with a scout.

Killer Kitty

 

maziwanka

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Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Child wanders into the street and gets hit by a car: we need stricter speed limits and speed bumps and speeders should get mandatory prison time and liscense taken away.

Cat wanders into neighbors yard and gets eaten by a dog: tough luck, dumb cat got what it deserved.

you're brilliant
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Boxxcar
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: Boxxcar
My immediate first thought and original reply to this thread was, oh well, the cat strayed into the neighbor?s yard and the dogs killed it. The fact that the woman is a sleezebag and is trying it on by claiming loss of income, law suit, etc, etc, is BS. However, after discussing this with the wife yesterday, she had an entirely different view and I have to be honest, she had a rather good point. She's not siding with the woman, just the whole situation.

What kind of dog(s) would actually attack and rip to shreds a cat? I'm not talking about working dogs that guard a warehouse or junkyard and are trained to protect commercial property, but the type you find in your everyday friendly neighborhood are not security dogs trained to kill. I do not know of any domesticated dog that would do that unless it was a vicious animal in the first place and then I would start to wonder how long it would be before the dogs attacked a child or an adult.

We have a dog and a cat and they get along together great.

Cats roam - its their nature. Unless you want to keep a cat indoors 24/7, which I think is cruel, they are going to roam the neighborhood. There are many things people can do to try and prevent cats from coming into their yards and soiling the flowerbed, but killing them is not one of them.

Dogs romp around in the backyard, playing with dog toys and bark - it's their nature. A DOMESTICATED DOG DOES NOT ATTACK OTHER ANIMALS AND KILL SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS A DOG. THERE?S SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT IF IT DOES!

I guess I haven?t read the entire thread, but what kind of dogs were these that killed the cat?

There is no right or wrong solution to this situation. The lady is a sleezebag, but the OP seeking sympathy from ATOT is also wrong. He needs to do something with his dogs, like train them!

You are missing something ENTIRELY. Cats and dogs by nature don't get along. ALL DOGS have prey drive. Dogs are domesticated but that doesn't mean they aren't animals. I have cats so my dogs are cool with them.

Dogs that are not raised with or around cats are going to go after cats just like they will go after squirrels and rabbits.. Simple as that. It isn't an owners responsibility to socialize a dog with cats.

Entirely? I don't think so. I disagree that all dogs have "prey drive." Of course there are 100's of breeds and I am not claiming to be familiar with all of them. At least I have never come across one with the seek and destroy attitude. You read about them in the news, but then they are usually associated with mauling someone or something. Hence this topic. I've seen dogs bark a lot at cats, rabbits, or squirrels, but have never witnessed any mauling due to its instinct to kill. If a dog has this type of temperment that it must kill every little animal it can get its teeth around, then that dog is simply not safe to have around. That is just plain and simple lack of training and the owner is to blame for that. I guess the saying that the dogs bark is bigger than the bite, because most dogs will only just bark, bark, bark, but to actually kill is not right, at least not for a domesticated animal.

I don't mean to be a dick but there is no other way.

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/understand...-predatory-behavior-in-dogs/page1.aspx

ANY WORKING/HUNTING/ACTIVE dog has prey drive. A dachshund that is not raised with cats will absolutely destroy a cat if they can catch it. Fact of life. Dogs are prey animals and were domesticated to serve a purpose. To serve humans and do what a job we want them to do.

If you let a dog know that cats are not prey then it isn't a problem but the fact is a lot of dog people don't have cats. They have no responsibility to socialize their dogs with cats.
 

maziwanka

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this thread is so ridiculous. it has strayed completely from what will inevitably happen (or, what won't happen).

bottom line: OP has nothing to worry about. in fact, he may be able to counter if he wishes.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: maziwanka
plus, i feel that a lot of these people that fail to understand why a dog would kill another animal have never had dogs.

are you surprised to see a cat rip a mouse to shreds or a bird to shreds (have you ever seen a cat just play with their victims)?

The problem is that many cat owners think that cats are a higher being. Higher than mice, higher than dogs, and even higher than people.

If I kept a pet mouse and let it run outside because it was its "natural environement", and some cat fillet'd it, cat owners would just say "wtf did you expect to happen?"
 
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