MY ending with AMD

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: trajan2050
The only reason AMD's marketshare improved at all is because they are selling their products at a substantial loss. This trend shows no sign of abating. Obviously it cannot go on indefinitely.

This is absolutely incorrect...
If AMD were selling their products at a loss, they would have a negative Gross Profit.
In fact, their Gross Profit for Q3 was $669 Million.

Just because a Company takes a loss for a quarter, doesn't mean they are selling below cost. It means that they have other expenses beyond the cost of making the chips that brings their net profit into the loss category.

Again that is a limited view that can be spun...

Their server market is still rather robust, where certain unique features of AMDs architecture is more well suited....In that market I see AMD as making money....They also have other products they may have made money in....

Who is to say in the X2 market where there were deep price cuts they hadn't sold them for a loss? Is there a way to know based on numbers you have seen....Do they break the gross (not net) profit down by category.....

I would say the desktop market was probably one area that has definitely floundered for them of recent.

if not fully now, it will in the next few quarters as the full impact of C2D sales in OEM machines hit.

 

[Duvie]

All that being I still think AMD is a worthwhile company. I hope they stay competitive and profitable and keep Intel honest...in terms of innovation and price....

At this point short of having some old parts laying around and cheap deals in the for sale forums I cannot see where I would recommend, spec, or build an AMD desktop at this moment for anyone (family or friends) no matter the price point. Just no advanatges at virtually any price point.

Only if I was building server PCs (which I dont) would I still recommend some AMD setups....


and I was all set to buy a new AMD system to place side to side with my QX6700......I dont have the desire at this moment, now.....



I do have to say that I dont understand the premise for this thread by the OP.....Those reasons have little ot no effect on by buying habits. If I only bought 100% american stuff, I wouldn't have much.

 

[BSMonitor]

Actually, as of about 20 minutes ago it's up to 70k shares (my 3rd largest holding now...).

So everything you have posted is totally biased.

Your post value just fell into junk bond status.

How's that 3rd mortgage doing?

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Haven't read all of this thread, but I have to agree with the sentiment that fanboyism is retarded and the OP needs to pull his head out of his ass.

We all have different needs from our computers; you buy what you need and what fits your budget presently.

Examples:

When my parents bought a budget PC 7 years ago - They got a Duron (faster and cheaper)
My g/f got a PC 5 years ago - She got an Athlon XP (faster)
6 months ago, I bought a gaming PC - I went C2D (faster)
My g/f's mom just got a budget PC - She got an Athlon X2 (cheaper)

Phenom may not be as fast as C2Q, but it still serves as a decent upgrade for current X2 owners who don't want to spring for an Intel-based mobo.

Similarly, X2s are not as fast as C2Ds, but they make great entry level office PCs.

A monopoly is not good for anyone - if it makes sense for your financial and performance needs to support the underdog (AMD at this time), I say do it.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: BSMonitor

Actually, as of about 20 minutes ago it's up to 70k shares (my 3rd largest holding now...).

So everything you have posted is totally biased.

Your post value just fell into junk bond status.

How's that 3rd mortgage doing?

...and everything you just posted fell into the "Hello, I'm an asshole and Forum Troll" category.

 

[Scoobyd00]

I'll never buy another Intel chip. The last one I bought was P2 and I remember what it was like for Intel to not have competition. All these Intel fanboy's running around now screaming how great their Q(whatever) or c2d proc is overclocking to and how it spanks an amd would really be screaming without amd. They would be screaming whining about how much they have to pay for old technology.
Without AMD Intel would be just like the oil companies. Charging whatever they want for their product and you will have no choice but to pay for it. They will be high priced for one reason only, to make them rich. Just like oil is now.
Instead those fanboys should be thanking AMD because without them everybody would be paying $1500.00 for a 450 MHz P2 right now.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: Scoobyd00
I'll never buy another Intel chip. The last one I bought was P2 and I remember what it was like for Intel to not have competition. All these Intel fanboy's running around now screaming how great their Q(whatever) or c2d proc is overclocking to and how it spanks an amd would really be screaming without amd. They would be screaming whining about how much they have to pay for old technology.
Without AMD Intel would be just like the oil companies. Charging whatever they want for their product and you will have no choice but to pay for it. They will be high priced for one reason only, to make them rich. Just like oil is now.
Instead those fanboys should be thanking AMD because without them everybody would be paying $1500.00 for a 450 MHz P2 right now.

Just curious, but what was your problem with the PII?

 

[amenx]

Originally posted by: Scoobyd00
I'll never buy another Intel chip. The last one I bought was P2 and I remember what it was like for Intel to not have competition. All these Intel fanboy's running around now screaming how great their Q(whatever) or c2d proc is overclocking to and how it spanks an amd would really be screaming without amd. They would be screaming whining about how much they have to pay for old technology.
Without AMD Intel would be just like the oil companies. Charging whatever they want for their product and you will have no choice but to pay for it. They will be high priced for one reason only, to make them rich. Just like oil is now.
Instead those fanboys should be thanking AMD because without them everybody would be paying $1500.00 for a 450 MHz P2 right now.

True, without AMD we would not have as good or as cheap Intel chips today. We need AMD. However, most rational people look to buy and use the best at the moment, and Intel will get their business.

I just hope someday soon, some rich mega-corp, IBM, Samsung, whomever, will buy out AMD and inject a couple billlion bucks into their R&D. I think AMD have great talent, they just dont have the resources to convert it into stuff that can convincingly take on Intel at present. A buyout can turn things around dramatically IMO.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: SexyK

Just curious, but what was your problem with the PII?

If he's anything like me, he was pissed that Intel pushed "cloner" companies like AMD and Cyrix off their primary platform when they made the move to Slot 1. Of course, considering the fact that he bought a Pentium II, that may not be the case.

 

[thekernel]

Originally posted by: Viditor
Actually, as of about 20 minutes ago it's up to 70k shares (my 3rd largest holding now...).
AMD has always been very good to me, but it's been best when people talked it down a lot.
I just bought 25k shares at AMD's lowest price in 5 years...buy low, sell high!

I'm obviously new here, but I gotta say it's extremely unprofessional to discuss your stock portfolio on a public forum like this. Everything you are saying may well be true, but discussing that kind of thing is a pretty big social faux pas and makes you sound like you are just making it up.

I'm not trying to accuse you of dishonesty, I'm just letting you know how something like that is perceived.

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Viditor
Actually, as of about 20 minutes ago it's up to 70k shares (my 3rd largest holding now...).
AMD has always been very good to me, but it's been best when people talked it down a lot.
I just bought 25k shares at AMD's lowest price in 5 years...buy low, sell high!

this is about as blatant a case of viral marketing as i've ever seen on this forum.

i like how you've basically ignored all the reviews and kept saying that all will be saved with some B-X stepping. or the fixing of some L3 bug will yield magical MHz improvements. do you seriously believe that PR flak? amd or intel would never release the details behind frequency limiters.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Viditor
Actually, as of about 20 minutes ago it's up to 70k shares (my 3rd largest holding now...).
AMD has always been very good to me, but it's been best when people talked it down a lot.
I just bought 25k shares at AMD's lowest price in 5 years...buy low, sell high!

this is about as blatant a case of viral marketing as i've ever seen on this forum.

i like how you've basically ignored all the reviews and kept saying that all will be saved with some B-X stepping. or the fixing of some L3 bug will yield magical MHz improvements. do you seriously believe that PR flak? amd or intel would never release the details behind frequency limiters.

:thumbsup:

Gotta agree. Viditor, I think you should at least have a line in your sig reflecting your large financial stake in AMD so people who may not come to the forums with as much knowledge about CPUs can evaluate your opinions bearing in mind the vested interest you have in AMD's success.