My first Cut

Koing

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This is a fairly long post, but I think it's better to outline things, then to just post pictures without explaining anything. But if you can't be bothered to read, then just look at the pictures.

29yrs,
5'10
99kg 2012 (bulked up to 99kg by June, lost 2kg working at the Olympic games, then diet down for back packing, left at 93kg, came back 3months later 84.8kg then bulked to 91.5kg in about 9/10 weeks)
93.5kg Feb 2013
90.5kg start of cut
84.5kg end of cut, 83.3kg lowest the previous week
Total lost 6kg 13.2lbs

Training history:
14yrs competitive weightlifter, past 6yrs at National level

In the end it was a fairly slow and lazy cut with a few breaks in-between due to going on holiday and because I had enough mentally. 27 week was way too long. It was my first cut and I learnt a lot about dieting down. Dieting down to competition conditioning is VERY humbling and insane. You got to really want it and you MUST set a comp date or you will just be cursing around. I guess I'm 8-10 weeks out from competition condition in my best pics?

Method
-Calorie restriction and counting
-High protein, lowish/moderate carbs and moderate fats
protein 40% (protein shakes, bcaa, steak, mince, chicken, salmon, zero fat greek yogurt)
carbs 25% (wholemeal pita bread, rice, potato croquettes)
fats 35% (nuts - brazil, cashew nuts, peanut butter, salmon, olives, olive oil, omega 3 fish oils)
veg (broccoli, carrots, kale, spinach, tomatoes, mushrooms, gherkins, beetroot, peppers, onions, garlic, steam veg bags, multi vit)

2210cal 138c 83f 220p

moved cals to 2400 150c 93f 240p after 8 weeks

Training adjusted for more BB training from 3-4x weightlifting a week to 2x weightlifting and 2x BB.

Routine:
Mon: Chest, biceps, abs
Wed: OLift (FS, Sn, Sn pulls), doubles tennis, shoulders, hammys
Fri: Chest triceps
Sun: OLifts (BS, Sn, CJ), back

-No cardio as I'm lazy and I wanted to see what sort of shape I could get in to without cardio. I played doubles tennis about once a week 2/3 of the time during my cut.

I'd mixed up my rep and set schemes for my exercises. The compound stuff I'd just go heavy and rarely do higher than reps of 6s. Some 4/5 week training blocks I'd go heavy and the next I'd only do one top set Dorian Yates style. Then I'd do more moderate rep and set schemes post holiday as I had loads of carbs during my holiday.

Mistakes made:
-Cut too hard too early, next time I'll start my cut on 3000calories
-Due to too few calories I was binging a lot during my first 4/5 week to slow the weight loss down. And I was completely new to eating like this and it was a nightmare lol. Now that I'm more experience and after moving my cals up it was easier to manage.
-DO NOT binge for a week, it literally took 3.5 weeks to get back to where I was. I did look fuller and leaner when I got down to comparable body weights though
-squat ended up dropping at least 20-25kg for reps LOL the early hard cut crushed me
-Clean and Jerk felt impossibly heavy being weaker, really affects me and most lifters hard for the Clean and Jerk, less so the Sn
-cheap pizza tastes terrible and is such a huge let down when you want nice pizza
-most things you treat yourself NEVER tastes as good as you imagine them to be lol

Positives:
-weightloss did not stall once when I hit my macros and didn't binge
-lowest weight I've been for about 8/9yrs. 83.3kg
-bench press went up +5kg from 140 to 145kg, 120kg from 4reps? went up to 10reps
-military press +2.5kg from 85kg to 87.5kg and I can mp over bw now
-BP and MP went up as I rarely done these exercises in the past 2yrs with any consistency
-Snatch 117.5kg at 83.3kg, most regardless of bw this year and most I've ever done sub 85kg. Most I had done was 115kg at 91.5kg the day before my cut, that was about 25/26 weeks ago

Food discoveries (foods I didn't really make/ eat pre cut)
-zero fat greek yogurt
-broccoli cheese bakes
-fried mushrooms
-cajun chicken
-beef casseroles
-beet root
-gherkins

Thoughts:
The difference between myself at around 86-84 isn't too much IMO. There are tiny differences, but for all intents and purposes it simply doesn't matter unless I'm going to do a bodybuilding competition or getting paid to look leaner. I'm plenty lean and I feel good. It's getting to the point where I've just had enough of cutting and it's just nicer to eat more carbs, some junk and whatever I want. I haven't had a pizza yet in about 6 weeks and i LOVE pizza. I'll have a pizza next week after my last oly comp of the year. Hopefully qualify for Nationals as an 85kg lifter as they have raised the standards this year.

I don't feel as lean as I look in my pictures. I wanted to see a split on my biceps but that was starting to show slightly but I'd have had to get down to 81 or lower to get it really visible. No feathers on triceps.

I'll maintain 86-87 and see where my weight goes. I'll eat much cleaner than before but allow myself more carbs. I'll be focused on getting my squats up to pull up my Sn and CJ. It's pretty hard going in to the gym knowing you are getting weaker on a fortnightly basis. In the end you just accept this fact as you are cutting and you hold on to as much strength as you can.

Christmas tree was present which was cool. Never heard about it until I read it somewhere
Feathers on legs look more pronounced. You could just about see feathers on my right leg pre cut.
Striations on chest and shoulders

I've had some EPIC binge days though LOL.
Highlights
-8.1k in a day, felt absolutely terrible, huge system shock and just down right greedy
-7k 4-5x
-food challenge, flaming burger challenge dispatched in sub 19mins, fastest they've measured in a while
-all you can eat ribs and a big bowl of ice cream
-3 large double McD meals a few times lol

I had at least one person ask if I was on steroids pretty much every single week when I was helping my parents out at their takeaway. One evening I had about 4 different people ask. It's pretty dam ballsy to just flat out ask someone! People ask if I go to the gym or work out as well.

Everyone is surprised when I tell them I do no cardio.

Daily weigh in
http://imgur.com/j2wkLRC
http://imgur.com/RXDUOTJ

Sunday weigh in, Weekly average weigh in, Weekly average cal
http://imgur.com/Vy3RtnU

All taken late afternoon about an hour post training. Generally I'm about 1.5kg heavier than my morning weigh in

Weekly Progress
http://imgur.com/lU687Qf
http://imgur.com/rD4UTnt
http://imgur.com/FIFRSoC

Back
http://imgur.com/Tju9Nmv
http://imgur.com/i1p6J5p

LatSpread
http://imgur.com/fjpyZb9
http://imgur.com/t5SSN0F

Back Double Bi
http://imgur.com/KkolvBQ
http://imgur.com/ep97VNo
 

classy

Lifer
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You look good. We are the same height and build type, but I am 15 lbs lighter. Your bench is 320 max? Your body fat looks really low. Impressive, very impressive for no cardio.
 

Sluggo

Lifer
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Looks great, really makes your back look twice as wide.

Even if I could look like your pre-cut photos I would spend my days patting myself on the back.
 

Koing

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Looks great, really makes your back look twice as wide.

Even if I could look like your pre-cut photos I would spend my days patting myself on the back.

Make a thread & I'll help you out. Nothing to stop you from making steps towards your goals

Koing
 

Koing

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how is that low of a body fat % without cardio? you sure you're healthy?

My body fat isn't that low. It's high single digits. I look lower as I'm muscular. There is a big difference in people with a decent amount of muscle or not in how they look.

My metabolism is ok and I can sustain 86-87 with less effort and I don't have to be so clean with my diet. 84 and below i have to be much cleaner with my diet. If I want to get leaner I eat less or do cardio or do both. I decided it wasn't worth it for me.

Koing
 

Koing

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This. Koing, you look great man. Props.

Cheers guys.

The cut at the start was tough and a total shock. I'd open my pantry and just stare at the food lol.

Koing
 

Ventanni

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Lookin' good man! That's seriously impressive, and inspiring. Makes me want to take it to the next level.
 

TallBill

Lifer
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Cheers guys.

The cut at the start was tough and a total shock. I'd open my pantry and just stare at the food lol.

Koing

I couldn't do it lol. I'm always seemingly out of food even though my pantry is stocked and I'm always in a calorie panic.
 

KIAman

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I haven't seen the info but when you were bulking, what was your caloric intake and your macro?
 

z1ggy

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Koing- Great work man! wow! I don't want to create a thread because it's just a quick question.

So my life got crazy with work and I slacked big time on the gym. I just started lifting again after not lifting for almost 3 months. I am looking to cut still. Current weight is 187lb. Goal weight is 170-175lb. How many cals should I be eating so I slowly and safely lose pure fat? I feel like at this point since its only about 15lb I need to lose.. It won't come off too fast. I will use your % break down for protein vs fat vs carbs, but I just don't know how many cals to eat.

Also, can I PM you my weekly lifting routine? It's very simple.

Still don't get how you got ripped and did not do cardio. If it's as easy as just eating right and lifting weights..Maybe I can stop doing cardio and spend more time lifting?
 

Zivic

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How many cals should I be eating so I slowly and safely lose pure fat?
next to impossible to lose "pure" fat. You will sacrifice some muscle



Still don't get how you got ripped and did not do cardio. If it's as easy as just eating right and lifting weights..Maybe I can stop doing cardio and spend more time lifting?

it's all about calories in vs calories out. doing cardio helps the calories out portion of the equation
 

z1ggy

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it's all about calories in vs calories out. doing cardio helps the calories out portion of the equation

Yes I know. I guess I just don't have the diet will power like Koing did. I need to run 2-3x a week to burn the extra few hundred calories in bad things I ate.

I also realize I will lose some muscle...But if I lost 15lb I would hope not more than 1-2lb of it was muscle. Especially if I am doing compound power moves like bench, squat, clean, deads, etc.
 

Koing

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Are you on steroids?

No. I'd be a lot bigger than 84kg.

I haven't seen the info but when you were bulking, what was your caloric intake and your macro?

I didn't really measure macros or calorie intake when I was bulking. I'd just eat and eat. 3 shakes everyday and eat. I'll be able to better gauge my calories and macros this time around. I'm going to just ease up and chill for a few weeks and see where I'm at. I've recorded EVERYTHING I've eaten for 27 weeks in my food log on mfp.

I'll be focusing on strength gains and eating more carbs. Fats will be the same and protein will be the same until I don't see any more growth. When my strength/ growth plateaus out I'll start to record what I'm eating.


Koing- Great work man! wow! I don't want to create a thread because it's just a quick question.

So my life got crazy with work and I slacked big time on the gym. I just started lifting again after not lifting for almost 3 months. I am looking to cut still. Current weight is 187lb. Goal weight is 170-175lb. How many cals should I be eating so I slowly and safely lose pure fat? I feel like at this point since its only about 15lb I need to lose.. It won't come off too fast. I will use your % break down for protein vs fat vs carbs, but I just don't know how many cals to eat.

Also, can I PM you my weekly lifting routine? It's very simple.

Still don't get how you got ripped and did not do cardio. If it's as easy as just eating right and lifting weights..Maybe I can stop doing cardio and spend more time lifting?

You can't really lose pure fat but you can minimise muscle loss by weight training and eating a high protein diet.

I'd recommend eating on say 2500cals that would give you 220c 93f 220p. 15lbs you can do in about 16-20-24 weeks depending on how many times you fall off the wagon. Realistically someone could have done what I've done in about 12-14-16 weeks if they were stricter than I was. I struggled the first 4-5 weeks. Just look at how many purple days I had which represents binge days LOL, NOT good.

You want to be able to cut on the most calories you can get away with, this gives you a few things
-more likely to keep more of your strength and size if you eat more
-you won't suffer as much if you eat more calories
-you have more room to play with and adjust later on if you do plateau

Yes feel free to PM your routine. The routine doesn't matter IMO as long as you hit the main compounds it's fine. It's all about causing a training stimulus by going in to the gym and lifting weights to retain muscle. You won't be able to build much muscle at a calorie deficit for any real length of time, so just focus on keeping what you have. When the fat comes off it'll show your muscles

It is as easy as *eating right* and *lifting weights*.
1) People do not eat right, they do not eat enough protein, or don't want to or make excuses
2) People do not train hard in the gym or hit compound lifts

Cardio will help build a calorie deficit though. I choose to not do it as I'm lazy. I work really hard in the gym on weights. I hammer the weights when I'm in the gym. I'm not messing about. Let me take a look at your training schedule. Do you come out of the gym and do you think you could have worked harder? I don't given my calorie deficit. I'm smashed to bits by the time I'm out of the gym.

DIET
You have to eat right. I would not be able to lose any fat if I was eating 3500calories. I WISH I could but I don't think my body would do it.

So set your macros at 2500cal 220carbs 93fats 220protein. Eat this for 2 weeks. See if you have lost any weight. Weigh yourself daily. Work out your weeks average for one week, then work out your weeks average for your second week. And adjust down your carbs by 20g if you haven't lost 1lb in the 2nd or 3rd week. Remember it takes a few weeks to get going when you diet.

Next time I'll start my cut on 3000cal and adjust down.

Cheers for the kind words guys.

Koing
 

Koing

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Yes I know. I guess I just don't have the diet will power like Koing did. I need to run 2-3x a week to burn the extra few hundred calories in bad things I ate.

I also realize I will lose some muscle...But if I lost 15lb I would hope not more than 1-2lb of it was muscle. Especially if I am doing compound power moves like bench, squat, clean, deads, etc.

Don't let a few days where you slip bomb you out. Just keep grinding away. If you can't stick to it the calories you have are too low. I'd recommend slow bulking for 6months then cutting. You will be in a better place to cut after you bulked for 6months if you can't stick to a lower calorie diet.

Koing
 

purbeast0

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holy shit dude, good job you are ripped now with size as well. i don't think i could ever (as in, don't want to put in the dedication and discipline) get that lean. i used to be ripped like that but i was like 160lbs, and it was nearly 10 years ago. now i usually fluctuate around 195-200 when i'm "ripped", as in, when i am about as cut as i want to be. now that it's getting cold i'm back on my bulking phase and eating whatever i want and i love it!

congrats though man, you are one of the people i know on these forums who has been consistent for years, and it shows. :thumbsup:
 
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