My friend 'hates' God.

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Athlon4all
For the Believer's, he will see us as having righteousness because of Jesus' Blood, and that is how we will go to heaven, but for the unsaved, they don't have Jesus to cover their sins and thus they will go to Hell. Why risk it??? Jesus is ready to give you a better life!!!! If only you would accept it!!!!

What if Christianity is the wrong religion? What if Islam is the correct one? Or Buddhism? And is it REAL believing if we become christians "just to be sure"? No, I don't think so.

How do I know Jesus gives me better life? The Bible says so. How do we know Bible tells the truth? The God says so. How do we know there is a God? The Bible says so. Sorry, I don't buy in to circular reasoning.

 

[Bollocks]

Originally posted by: Athlon4all

Hey, you just answered the question!! Not with the first sentence, because you of course can't use scripture to prove that scripture is the truth. But your second sentence: looking for an answer that you won't get. Have you thought about what you just said? You just told me that there isn't a way to figure out which text is the true one to follow. Do you get that? So if there ISN'T a way, then how can you claim the bible is the divinely inspired text? Faith? No siree. Because faith is based on either logic or an assumption (ultimately), and your logic/assumption is based on your surroundings, which can't be necessarily trusted.

I don't think you get it. This isn't about logic, this is about whats true, and I am convinced that the Bible is truely the Word of God and an incredible book that I am to live by and the Bible does say that I am to preach the gospel to every creature and thats what Im doing now.

well i guess faith is hopeful ignorance eh ?

No, Faith is believing in what we cannot see with our eyes. And in the case of Christianity, it is believing in what it truth although we cannot see it.

Oh so it's a "either you're with us or you're against us" sort of thing. Gee, that sucks for people who live in areas of the world where the mere concept of Christianity and Jesus Christ don't exist.

Thats right. Before you start cussing CHristianity, God has already done a lot more than we deserved. He should've never sent Jesus to die, becuse all of mankind should be comdemned to hell for our sin, but no, Jesus came and died so we could go to heaven, and here we are, the devil still has such a stranglehold on this world that millions still haven't believed. God may love us, but he is God and he demands obedience, and in return, we get to be in a wonderful relationship with him as our God and we get to go to heaven when we die. And actually, Im going to also say that the conversation you painted isn't quite what will happen. Man (Both the saved and unsaved) will be presented with the sins you have committe, and then he will say that you're going to hell for the unsaved. For the Believer's, he will see us as having righteousness because of Jesus' Blood, and that is how we will go to heaven, but for the unsaved, they don't have Jesus to cover their sins and thus they will go to Hell. Why risk it??? Jesus is ready to give you a better life!!!! If only you would accept it!!!!

I'm going to be out of town for the next few days, so you wont hear from me but I will be back

Jesus shags God up the ass!

 

[JupiterJones]

Wrong, witnessing to me in my face would be a horrid mistake, one that very well could get your ass kicked if you don't cease when I tell you too. Of course it could be worse, you could do it to one of those Muslims whackos in Indonesia and lose your head over it.

Actually, Red, the treat of physical violence is always present when sharing the Christian Faith. I spent a good deal of time in the port city of Mombasa, Kenya as a missionary. On the positive, Mombasa currently has a majority of Christians as we baptized over 14,000 Muslims in less than five years. On the downside, my wife and I were ambushed where I was severely beaten and my wife killed as my children watched from our car. We had stopped to help locals in a staged auto accident. Two weeks earlier, I had been thrown from a bridge into the flood swollen river below by a mob while street preaching.

While I certainly miss Amy, I know that she would not trade her life for the great multitude that has been brought to saving grace. Currently the Baptist church's in Mombasa send hundreds of missionaries to other parts of Africa, and are in fact instrumental in the great work taking place in Somalia.

Ushindi Baptist Church averages 4,000 in worship and has planted 150 other churches in Eastern Africa. They have yet to build a building, meeting in a field because they are too busy carrying on the Lord's work to take the time to build a church.

If I knew you, I would certainly take the time to share what God has done for me. I'd ven let you kick my @ss if you want to.

 

[JupiterJones]

Then how do you explain the contradictions in the bible? If God is love, why does God kill or order people to kill thousands and thousands of people (including children) in the bible?

I have often read (especially in these sorts of forums) about all the contradictions in the Bible, but have yet to actually see one. Without exception, everytime one is pointed out is has much more to do with semantics than anything else, usually due to a difficult translation issue. All of these 'difficulties' are well documented at most any library under the subject of Textual Criticism. The way you state this, it is almost as if you don't know that scholars are well aware of ALL of these, and have been for hundreds of years. There is nothing new, and there are no contradictions -- only confusion on the part of certain readers.

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: PastorDon
I have often read (especially in these sorts of forums) about all the contradictions in the Bible, but have yet to actually see one. Without exception, everytime one is pointed out is has much more to do with semantics than anything else, usually due to a difficult translation issue.

If God is incapable of error, then surely he would make sure that translation of His words are without error? If God is incapable of error, then the translation of his words should be error-free as well. If not, then it just proves that man can pervert his words in to anything the translator chooses. Do you think God would allow that?

EDIT: and how can it be a "translation error" if God tells his followers not to kill, and a bit later he orders his followers to kill by the thousands? It's easy just say "oh, that's because the translation". If translation of the Bible can cause such confusion, how can we trust anything that the Bible says?

 

[Bollocks]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: PastorDon
I have often read (especially in these sorts of forums) about all the contradictions in the Bible, but have yet to actually see one. Without exception, everytime one is pointed out is has much more to do with semantics than anything else, usually due to a difficult translation issue.

If God is incapable of error, then surely he would make sure that translation of His words are without error? If God is incapable of error, then the translation of his words should be error-free as well. If not, then it just proves that man can pervert his words in to anything the translator chooses. Do you think God would allow that?

EDIT: and how can it be a "translation error" if God tells his followers not to kill, and a bit later he orders his followers to kill by the thousands? It's easy just say "oh, that's because the translation". If translation of the Bible can cause such confusion, how can we trust anything that the Bible says?

there is no god

and no jesus

people who believe are stupid.

 

[Red Dawn]

On the downside, my wife and I were ambushed where I was severely beaten and my wife killed as my children watched from our car. We had stopped to help locals in a staged auto accident. Two weeks earlier, I had been thrown from a bridge into the flood swollen river below by a mob while street preaching.

Yet you still didn't get it. Sorry to be so frank here but if you did your wife still might have been alive and witnessing to someone who was a little more receptive.

Of course I wouldn't kill someone whop was being rude and intrusive but in cultures like those in Africa it can cost you and your loved ones therew life, as you unfortunately found out. . It's a tragedy and a crying shame and you have my condolences..

If I knew you, I would certainly take the time to share what God has done for me. I'd ven let you kick my @ss if you want to.

I wouldn't kick your ass, I'd get a restraining order (or at least turn the hose on you)

 

[JupiterJones]

I wouldn't kick your ass, I'd get a restraining order (or at least turn the hose on you)

Glad you took that as a joke.

Good news. My wife is still alive. THAT's the point.!

 

[Red Dawn]

Good news. My wife is still alive. THAT's the point.!

Glad to hear that. I was just thinking what a lousy father and husband you were to put your family in harms way due to some Religious Zealousness.

 

[Rilescat]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: LordMaul
When people get like that, it leaves my hands. I won't help an asshole.

I have to agree. Attempting to superimpose a belief on someone just leads to trouble.
Of course, rational conversation is always good. Just don't forcefully invade his aura of privacy.

Quite so. Christians pushing their beliefs on someone is the FIRST way to make them hate god.

 

[Rilescat]

** warning **
[rant pertaining to "i am right and you are wrong" atheists, not all atheists but some]


What makes you better than the christians who constantly shove "christian values/gospel" down other believer's throats, except that you are shoving "that God don't exist and religion is bs" down other people's thoats?

Your "holier than thou" atheists are obviously not practicing what you preach

It simply makes me sick :|

[/end rant]

Hey pard.....neither I nor any single atheist I have ever known has ever gone nocking on doors trying to convince people to NOT believe in god.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey pard.....neither I nor any single atheist I have ever known has ever gone nocking on doors trying to convince people to NOT believe in god.

Exactly. Just because I believe it is 100% bullsh!t doesn't mean that I feel you have to believe it.

 

[JupiterJones]

Glad to hear that. I was just thinking what a lousy father and husband you were to put your family in harms way due to some Religious Zealousness.

I'm sure you got my point, and are responding to make a point. For those others who might misunderstand, my wife is alive and with the Lord.

Am I a lousy father and husband to put my family in harm's way? We are certainly zealots (at least as the term in the Greek is understood). The problem is where would you say we are safe? We might be safer back home in Alabama, but statistically American woman are at a greater danger than missionary wives. The Seminary where I currently teach has the nations premier Missions training program. We only send our missionaries-in-training to closed nations. Why? This is where they are needed most.

At times it is very difficult to understand the WHY of a horrible occurrence. It is at these times that one's personal relationship with the Lord is especially sweet. My wife was a medical missionary, which simply means that her Christian service was as a nurse in a hospital, where she worked long hours without pay. As the news of her death spread, many people wondered WHY? She was, after all, in the Lord's service. I cannot tell you why she had to die, what I can say is that God used that tragedy to soften the hearts of many lost souls. A very wise man once said that there is no greater love than one who gives his life for another.

My two sons are now in college. One is going to be a Doctor, and the other is studying for the Ministry. Both are married, and both plan on spending time on the Mission field. How will I feel if my son's suffer some of the tragedy I suffered? I will know that God's grace is sufficient.

Red, I put you on my prayer list months ago. I almost hate to say that you are on my monthly list. I pray for your salvation on the 8th of every month (along with a few other ATer's).

 

[Howard]

I've reasoned, debating, and had nightmares for a literal eternity - for as far as I know, my life has been forever in existence - and I still ain't got a damn opinion.

However, LordMaul isn't being as reasonable as he usually is.

And however much it may shock me to say it, RD is actually taking a walk among us unenlightened...

 

[Red Dawn]

almost hate to say that you are on my monthly list. I pray for your salvation on the 8th of every month

So that explains the itch I get in my bunghole on the 8th of every month. I guess i can now put away that preperation H.

 

[Pooteh]

However, LordMaul isn't being as reasonable as he usually is.

lol yes ussually home school boy doesn't even attempt to make an arguement, he just calls you stupid

you gotta wonder what his parents are indoctrinating his poor head with, and what they are leaving out.(to help him keep his faith:roll) i mean pascals wager for f(*ks sake!! Thats the oldest one in the book

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: Pooteh

However, LordMaul isn't being as reasonable as he usually is.

lol yes ussually home school boy doesn't even attempt to make an arguement, he just calls you stupid

you gotta wonder what his parents are indoctrinating his poor head with, and what they are leaving out.(to help him keep his faith:roll) i mean pascals wager for f(*ks sake!! Thats the oldest one in the book

Don't pick on Maul,I'm in foul humor and the trout smacking will be severe !

 

[Howard]

And before I depart, I would like to state this:

I don't like Christianity and organized religion (I believe it was Russ who said that God could be found just as well from the side of your bed as from a church - regardless of my convictions, this strikes me as, well, I don't know.), and while those two may have caused much suffering and pain, they have given us something great: Handel.

 

[Hubris]

Hate him back. Works for me.

 

[LordMaul]

actually you can. your logic is faulty. apparently you read my post at the top of the page, blew your mind and then went into denial.

Uh...sure...blew...my...mind...went into denial... *reaches under desk and comically pulls out hand with middle finger extended*

you dismiss the eternal essense of pooteh? There IS a possibility that within that timeframe, The Eternal Essense of Pooteh will decide it is the time to reveal his devine presence, but no matter how long I give you, you can't prove anything. Ever.

How does your "logic" work? Your "pooteh" can reveal itself in some sort of timeframe, but my God has no chance whatsoever to reveal himself..EVER?! You were just restating what I said in another post only putting in your ridiculous "Pooteh" bullsh!t.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Pooteh

However, LordMaul isn't being as reasonable as he usually is.

lol yes ussually home school boy doesn't even attempt to make an arguement, he just calls you stupid

you gotta wonder what his parents are indoctrinating his poor head with, and what they are leaving out.(to help him keep his faith:roll) i mean pascals wager for f(*ks sake!! Thats the oldest one in the book

OK, you sonofabitch, you're going to play dirty? "Home school boy"? My parents? Boy, I think I heard better ones out of the stupid fscktards in 5th grade. Or are you still in fifth grade, "Pooteh"? Filling your fscking post with brainless drivel and obvious troll flamebait, yet filled with smilies gets you nowhere. Obviously, you, being the atheist, are so different from the rest of the "stupid" world and are therefore better, set on your trek of insulting and making fun of those who believe otherwise.

Reading your posts is practically a chore, with your complete lack of grammar, spelling errors up the ass, and just a obvious theme of trolling for attention. Well you know what, ASSHOLE? YOU GOT IT! That must be what you wanted. Otherwise, you might post useful and/or intelligent things. At least some of these people have the ability to make an argument, show their points, etc. without taking cheap shots at someone's backround and blaming their supposed lack of intelligence or ability to think for themselves on their parents. For instance, datalink7 actually has the brainpower to have a somewhat heated though decent conversation. I've had many arguments with him in the past, and he has never angered me like you have managed with your middle school tactics. You're fairly new here...just a couple months. Before you go insulting at least somewhat veteran members, why don't you get a fvcking brain and look at some of the old trolls? They've tried the same thing. Grabbing onto one or two things in my posts and beating them like a dead horse, "pathetic" this, "lame" that, shows me that you are just another follower of a convenient "religion."

Summary: GO FVCK YOURSELF.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: Howard
I've reasoned, debating, and had nightmares for a literal eternity - for as far as I know, my life has been forever in existence - and I still ain't got a damn opinion.

However, LordMaul isn't being as reasonable as he usually is.

Are you saying I'm normally reasonable?

Damn, I guess I need to make my posts more clear.

 

[jjmIII]

I believe in ME!

Wanna guess who I think is #1? Yup.....ME!

 

[Raketichu]

Your friend probably gave you the short answer to keep you off his back. People use the term
hate very losely you know. Some people hate brocolli for instance.


This is a pointless thread, and no one's mind will be changed by anything said here.


perhaps, but thats the way it is with all forum posts right?


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well i guess faith is hopeful ignorance eh ?
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No, Faith is believing in what we cannot see with our eyes. And in the case of Christianity,
it is believing in what it truth although we cannot see it.


Is that a Bill Clinton answer there?




If God is incapable of error, then surely he would make sure that translation of His words are
without error? If God is incapable of error, then the translation of his words should be
error-free as well. If not, then it just proves that man can pervert his words in to anything
the translator chooses. Do you think God would allow that?

Thats right. An all knowing God would know such things. Playing the game of "telephone" to
fan the flames of suffering.



lord maul is one angry guy, but your post does not defend your position with an arguement.
you are as bad as the person your attacking. Perhaps you would not have been called pathetic
if you had used a better arguement in the first place or had defended your position with
reasoning. His brainless drivel was a logical refutation of your position.



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you dismiss the eternal essense of pooteh? There IS a possibility that within that timeframe,
The Eternal Essense of Pooteh will decide it is the time to reveal his devine presence, but no
matter how long I give you, you can't prove anything. Ever.
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How does your "logic" work? Your "pooteh" can reveal itself in some sort of timeframe, but my
God has no chance whatsoever to reveal himself..EVER?! You were just restating what I said in
another post only putting in your ridiculous "Pooteh" bullsh!t.


did you not notice he used your very own words against you? If you used that arguement, why
can't he.

 

[chemwiz]

LMAO!! Do you really think you can change someones religious belief's with logic? I always thought we had freedom of religion, which includes thinking they're all full of $hit. If listening to his viewpoint upsets you so much, don't discuss religion with him.