My friend 'hates' God.

[Athlon4all]

religion never works well as a debate

Yes, but not because there is too mcuh angwer, its because man isn't the one fighting in the eternal battle between God and Satan, they are doing the fighting, for both sides.

Religion is Man's way of answering questions he is not able to answer logically.

Yes, this is correct for all of "man's religions" but for Christianity, it is about what is true and having a true relationship with our God, who has saved us from our sins'

you believe in god, and he doesnt.. what makes you think that you are right and he is wrong? Is there a way that you can prove god exist? NO! so let it be.. no1 is giving you problems about believing in god.. so why give him trouble b/c he doesnt.

Because, the Bible says that there is a God and he is a oving God, but that he cannot look upon sin, which man has become because we rebelled against God.

Someof my christian friends and mother are not against homosexuality.

Well, then those Christian friends are off, the Bible is clear in Leviticus, and I Corinthains something (can't remember the chapter, I will look it up).

Let's see.... Bible says "God is love". Christians automatically assume that "This means that God loves us all". But if bible says "Kill everyone you see, including the children!", then it doesn't mean what it says, rather it has somekind of hidden meaning or something. Why is it that the verses that show christianity in good light are intrepeted literally, whereas those "undesireable" verses are not? Could it just be an attempt to cover up the fact that christian god is wicked, evil and bloodthirsty

You know what, God does love you, more than human terms can explain (John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."). But, he is holy, and he is perfect, and he cannot look upon sin, so he sent Jesus so that it would be imputed unto as for Righteousness (this means that when God looks at us, he sees righteousness), although we (even the saved Believers) are still sinful.

OK, let me settle this one for all of you: If there really is Heaven and Hell I am willing to go to Hell for all of you! That's right, I'll be the Jesus of Hell! I will take all your sins so that you can be forgiven and sent to Heaven. That's right, I am volunteering myself for eternal Hell duty. Where else you can receive a lifetime supply of booze, cigarettes and easy women for free? Hopefully, by the time I get there they'll offer high-speed Internet as well. Then I'll be all set. In the mean time all you church choir p@ssy boys/girls can earn yourself a place in Heaven and your priest's pants.

The proble,m with your plan is that, a sacrifice needs to be perfect in God's eyes and you aren't perfect, neither am I, nor is any man (Romans 3:23, "For All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"), except for Jesus who is God inside a human body. He was tempted just like you and I are (see Matthew 4 I think it is).

I can't convice all you unbelievers to accept Christ as your Lord and savior,as I said, thats the Holy Spirit's job (which is God too). But, I have presented the truth to you, and clearly, many of you have already heard it, and the Bible says that great will be the condemnation for those who know the truth but reject it. I pray truely that all of you will accept him as your Lord and savior some day. Its a much better life!!! You aren't missing out on anything!!!!

 

[Red Dawn]

Athlon4all, what a convincing post. I'm sure you changed a lot of minds

 

[UberDave]

heh "god saved us from our sins" ....so ..... god saved us from his own rules? or is he talking about jesus? is jesus god? uhhhhhh *mind boggle*

 

[Athlon4all]

Athlon4all, what a convincing post. I'm sure you changed a lot of minds

If any minds are changed it will not be because of I, but because of the Holy spirit, I merely have presented the Truth to you.

heh "god saved us from our sins" ....so ..... god saved us from his own rules? or is he talking about jesus? is jesus god? uhhhhhh *mind boggle*

Yes, Jesus is a part of the triune God (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit), and Jesus came down to the earth, in a form of the baby, so he could live a perfect live while being tempted so he could be the perfect sacrifice

 

[Red Dawn]

If any minds are changed it will not be because of I, but because of the Holy spirit, I merely have presented the Truth to you.

Or decietful lies. Without any evidence to support your claim who's to know?

 

[UberDave]

Originally posted by: Athlon4all

Athlon4all, what a convincing post. I'm sure you changed a lot of minds

If any minds are changed it will not be because of I, but because of the Holy spirit, I merely have presented the Truth to you.

heh "god saved us from our sins" ....so ..... god saved us from his own rules? or is he talking about jesus? is jesus god? uhhhhhh *mind boggle*

Yes, Jesus is a part of the triune God (God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit), and Jesus came down to the earth, in a form of the baby, so he could live a perfect live while being tempted so he could be the perfect sacrifice

So when people asked him if he was the son of God he responded with "that is what people call me" (or something of that sort) I wonder why he didn't state waht he was. So many mysteries and untold things ....that is why we have split religions and people not beliving in religion :-\

 

[Athlon4all]

Or decietful lies. Without any evidence to support your claim who's to know?

I have all the proof I need, God's Word, the Bible, which was given to man by divine inspiration from GOD (II Timothy 3:16) and thus it is God's word and he is perfect, and thus his word's are true.

So when people asked him if he was the son of God he responded with "that is what people call me" (or something of that sort) I wonder why he didn't state waht he was. So many mysteries and untold things ....that is why we have split religions and people not beliving in religion :-\

God has revealed all that we should know. And I will add, he said "I and my Father are one" (John 14:6).

.that is why we have split religions and people not beliving in religion :-\

No, that is not why we have people who believe in no religion. The reason we have people who don't follow the true God and his Son, Jesus Christ, is because of man's rebellion against God, a key player in that being Satan who tempted Adam and Eve in the garden, and we are all Adam and Eve's descendants and have inherited their sin.

 

[Red Dawn]

Athlon4all, posting scripture means nothing.

 

[DougK62]

Athlon4all=UberZealot

 

[Pooteh]

I have all the proof I need, God's Word, the Bible, which was given to man by divine inspiration from GOD (II Timothy 3:16) and thus it is God's word and he is perfect, and thus his word's are true.

lol, athlon4 doesn't understand the concept of circular reasoning i guess

Athlons4's reasoning:
why does god exist?

The Bible is God's word.

How do you know its Gods word?

The bible sez so!!

but really! how do you know its Gods word? what proof do you have?

The bible!

and it goes on in an infinite loop.


Using this logic you can prove anything.

#1(devinely inspired statement) The Essense of pooteh is the all powerful God from which the universe flew out from his ars.

can you prove this?

yes i can, refer to #1.



do you understand what a fallacy is?

if you don't, you should pick up a book on fallacies and critical thought. you just might find it interesting.

 

[Athlon4all]

Actually, I fully understand fallacy's and circular reasoning, but, this is about faith, I did say "I have all the proof I need". You do need to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired by faith

 

[Red Dawn]

You do need to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired by faith

to even start to believe some of the nonsense that is written in the bible.

 

[LordMaul]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: LordMaul

Alrighty. I'll hypothetically give you 400 years to prove to me that there is no way God exists.

Yeah, I thought so. You can't.

You also can't prove there is a God in 400 years

.

But...since there is nothing you can point to and say "There is God beyond a doubt (this being irrefutable proof that no one could deny)", the burdon of proff necessarily is in your hands to prove that there is a God. It does not rest in those who don't believe in God.

Burden my ass. I don't have to prove sh!t.

If I can't prove my point, and you certainly can't prove your point (I mean, common. I could pull 6 million people out of the US who say God has affected their lives in some way so He exists in their opinion, but can you pull up 6 million who can say that for some reason or another, they have reasons to believe God doesn't exists...for any good reason? Not just "because I haven't seen him" or some bullcrap) then the person who would "loose out," so to speak, is the one who needs to try and find out anything possible...because if I'm saved, God exists, you're not, and I can't prove it to you.......who looses in the end?

 

[yllus]

The loser? You, for living a boring-assed life in fear of the writings of some senile old men.

P.S. Far more than 6 million people in America are total buffoons. That doesn't mean a thing.

 

[Athlon4all]

to even start to believe some of the nonsense that is written in the bible.

Truth, not nonesense, and believe God will surely reveal it to you and you will believe, but it will be too late for you to accept him. Accept him NOW!!!! Before its too late!!!!!

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Athlon4all

to even start to believe some of the nonsense that is written in the bible.

Truth, not nonesense, and believe God will surely reveal it to you and you will believe, but it will be too late for you to accept him. Accept him NOW!!!! Before its too late!!!!!

hahahahahaha

I think he's talking to you, Red Dawn. It's WAY too much fun in these religion threads, I gotta do this more often.

 

[Red Dawn]

Truth, not nonesense, and believe God will surely reveal it to you and you will believe, but it will be too late for you to accept him. Accept him NOW!!!! Before its too late!!!!!

I'm beggining to understand why the Romans feed the Christians to the Lions:disgust:

 

[wviperw]

uh... to 'hate' god would be to affirm his existence. Therefore if you're friend doesn't 'believe' in god, he can't possibly hate him, and if he does, then really thinks that he exists.

 

[Pooteh]

Originally posted by: wviperw
uh... to 'hate' god would be to affirm his existence. Therefore if you're friend doesn't 'believe' in god, he can't possibly hate him, and if he does, then really thinks that he exists.

it IS possible to hate an idea.

 

[Red Dawn]

Whether one believes in God or not is up to each individual. Trying to witness or preach to someone who isn't receptive to the idea is rude and intrusive.

 

[wviperw]

Athlon4All:

Actually, I fully understand fallacy's and circular reasoning, but, this is about faith, I did say "I have all the proof I need". You do need to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired by faith

Oh, so you must have faith in order to believe the Bible is true and therefore that God is true?

So how do you know WHICH 'bible' to have faith in? The Koran? The Holy Bible? The Mormon's Bible? The Roman Catholic's Bible? The Bhudist's Bible?

Oh, it MUST be the Holy Bible, because thats what you grew up on, and thats what you know about, right?

 

[wviperw]

Originally posted by: Pooteh

Originally posted by: wviperw
uh... to 'hate' god would be to affirm his existence. Therefore if you're friend doesn't 'believe' in god, he can't possibly hate him, and if he does, then really thinks that he exists.

it IS possible to hate an idea.

But what is an idea? Merely a representation in our minds of something 'real', correct?

Whether one believes in God or not is up to each individual. Trying to witness or preach to someone who isn't receptive to the idea is rude and intrusive.

It may be rude and intrusive to others, but for the christian, it is one of his main goals in life so he sees it as a duty, a calling. You'll never be able to convince them that they shouldn't witness to others. Yes there can be more polite ways of doing it of course, but when the bible pretty much says "preach the gospel to the world, and you're only a good christian if the world hates you", you're going to get christians who will seem to be rude and intrusive to you.

 

[LordMaul]

Of course....as my post gets completely ignored....*cough*...

 

[ChrisCramer247]

Tell him about the unmoved mover.

Basically the philosphy is that something had to create a motion of some sort to create everything. That thing is "God". Whether it a being, molecule, supernatural occurances, etc... it is the thing that created us and is in essence God.

I believe in the biblical God and I'm catholic, but still that arguement can work to create a little faith in the world knowing that something no matter how small started us all.

 

[Pooteh]

Originally posted by: LordMaul
Of course....as my post gets completely ignored....*cough*...

because your full of sh*t

i'll give you 1000 years to prove that god exists ok?


and i'll give you 400 years to prove that god isn't the eternal essense of pooteh.