My friend just started taking steroids......

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mcurphy

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Roid rage, depresssion, and just plain going insane are all good reasons to tell him to stop. I never did steroids myself, but when I played football in HS there were a few of my friends that did. Yes, they did get big and strong fast, but their personalities really changed. They were really angry and irate all the time. I remember my one buddy flipping out on his girlfriend for no reason and hitting her. He wasn't an abusive person at all, and I know it was the steroids that escalated the whole situation. He would become completely unreasonable (insane) at certain times. It's not a good thing. It is stupid and I hope you can help your friend stop. The end doesn't justify the means.
 

JDawg1536

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Originally posted by: mcurphy
Roid rage, depresssion, and just plain going insane are all good reasons to tell him to stop. I never did steroids myself, but when I played football in HS there were a few of my friends that did. Yes, they did get big and strong fast, but their personalities really changed. They were really angry and irate all the time. I remember my one buddy flipping out on his girlfriend for no reason and hitting her. He wasn't an abusive person at all, and I know it was the steroids that escalated the whole situation. He would become completely unreasonable (insane) at certain times. It's not a good thing. It is stupid and I hope you can help your friend stop. The end doesn't justify the means.

Roid rage? Depression? Going insane? Really? Sounds like your friends are retarded.
 

James3shin

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Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Originally posted by: James3shin
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: mikelish
if he uses them properly, the only bad thing about steroids is that they're illegal.

Try getting a clue first. Bad on liver, bad on kidneys, can lead to heart desease, SERIOUS acne, and generally make cigarettes look like a multi vitamin. Those are just a few of the more common results. Will a small amount for a limited time cause these kind of problems? Nope, the problem is no one wants to give up the perks of high energy and rapid muscle growth and so, they keep on using. Dumb Da, Da, Dumb!

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to call you out or anything, but safe steroid usage is not going to cause any of what you typed. Aside from acne and some very minor things, the athlete should be healthy. Abuse is the problem. This is why athletes have educated trainers.

Ken Caminiti
Jason Giambi

^^People without natural steroid production. They also had educated trainers.

Well, since good ole Ken is dead that doesn't surprise me. Who told you Giambi doesn't have natural testosterone production?

I recall him mentioning it from one of his interviews after he admitted to steroid abuse. May have been Jose Canseco, but I'm pretty sure it was Giambi. Either way, they are now reliant on hormone supplements for the rest of their lives.
 

JDawg1536

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Originally posted by: James3shin
Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Originally posted by: James3shin
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: mikelish
if he uses them properly, the only bad thing about steroids is that they're illegal.

Try getting a clue first. Bad on liver, bad on kidneys, can lead to heart desease, SERIOUS acne, and generally make cigarettes look like a multi vitamin. Those are just a few of the more common results. Will a small amount for a limited time cause these kind of problems? Nope, the problem is no one wants to give up the perks of high energy and rapid muscle growth and so, they keep on using. Dumb Da, Da, Dumb!

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to call you out or anything, but safe steroid usage is not going to cause any of what you typed. Aside from acne and some very minor things, the athlete should be healthy. Abuse is the problem. This is why athletes have educated trainers.

Ken Caminiti
Jason Giambi

^^People without natural steroid production. They also had educated trainers.

Well, since good ole Ken is dead that doesn't surprise me. Who told you Giambi doesn't have natural testosterone production?

I recall him mentioning it from one of his interviews after he admitted to steroid abuse. May have been Jose Canseco, but I'm pretty sure it was Giambi. Either way, they are now reliant on hormone supplements for the rest of their lives.

Actually that is completely false information. Not true in the least.

Caminiti once said that he used so much that his production shut down for four months.



 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: puqdew
he just started tren 75.

Finabolan
(Tren 75)
Finabolan is a massive strength and hardening agent well-known worldwide as a top notch anabolic. Also, because of its potent androgenic characteristics, it is used by elite bodybuilding and powerlifting athletes alike. Users often report little weight gain however gains of 8-15 pounds have been claimed over an 8 week period on this product alone. Finabolan is typically best utilized during the cutting or hardening phases of a cycle but is commonplace in bulking stacks as well. It is the MOTHER of all anabolics and a very well rounded androgenic agent.

Dosage:
Finabolan should be used only under the supervision of a doctor or other medical authority. Typical dose is 150mg per day split into two or more even doses. It is best utilized on an empty stomach however can be taken with food. This is a very fast acting product and therefore is in and out of your system quickly. An additional dose is often taken 30-45 minutes before working out to capitalize on the massive testosterone energy rush but be careful, it is very powerful.

Side Effects:
Due to advances in product manufacturing Finabolan is a much safer product than once believed. Side effects include aggressiveness, restlessness, sleeplessness and possible mood swings. Use of Finabolan relatively safe, when used within the manufacturers? recommendations. It?s a very fast acting product that you should be able to feel within minutes of each dose. The ?testosterone rush? is intense and can be overwhelming for some, less experienced users. Be careful not to take it too late in the day to avoid sleeplessness. People with extreme anger management problems should avoid this product completely. Trenbolone Acetate, Finabolan?s ?sister anabolic? is well known as a side effect nightmare and should be avoided at all costs.

 

James3shin

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Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Originally posted by: James3shin
Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Originally posted by: James3shin
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: mikelish
if he uses them properly, the only bad thing about steroids is that they're illegal.

Try getting a clue first. Bad on liver, bad on kidneys, can lead to heart desease, SERIOUS acne, and generally make cigarettes look like a multi vitamin. Those are just a few of the more common results. Will a small amount for a limited time cause these kind of problems? Nope, the problem is no one wants to give up the perks of high energy and rapid muscle growth and so, they keep on using. Dumb Da, Da, Dumb!

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to call you out or anything, but safe steroid usage is not going to cause any of what you typed. Aside from acne and some very minor things, the athlete should be healthy. Abuse is the problem. This is why athletes have educated trainers.

Ken Caminiti
Jason Giambi

^^People without natural steroid production. They also had educated trainers.

Well, since good ole Ken is dead that doesn't surprise me. Who told you Giambi doesn't have natural testosterone production?

I recall him mentioning it from one of his interviews after he admitted to steroid abuse. May have been Jose Canseco, but I'm pretty sure it was Giambi. Either way, they are now reliant on hormone supplements for the rest of their lives.

Actually that is completely false information. Not true in the least.

Caminiti once said that he used so much that his production shut down for four months.

I'm pretty certain that Canseco and/or Giambi no longer produce their own testosterone. I remember reading it in Vindicated, Canseco's second book. I don't remember if Canseco was talking about himself or Giambi but it was mentioned.

You make it sound as if Caminiti not being able to produce testosterone for 4 months as inconsequential. 4 months without your own testosterone production has to suck physically and psychologically.

 

Mike Gayner

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Originally posted by: mikelish
if he uses them properly, the only bad thing about steroids is that they're illegal.

The fact that he's sixteen means there's approximately a 0.0% chance he will use them "properly".
 

mcurphy

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Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Originally posted by: mcurphy
Roid rage, depresssion, and just plain going insane are all good reasons to tell him to stop. I never did steroids myself, but when I played football in HS there were a few of my friends that did. Yes, they did get big and strong fast, but their personalities really changed. They were really angry and irate all the time. I remember my one buddy flipping out on his girlfriend for no reason and hitting her. He wasn't an abusive person at all, and I know it was the steroids that escalated the whole situation. He would become completely unreasonable (insane) at certain times. It's not a good thing. It is stupid and I hope you can help your friend stop. The end doesn't justify the means.

Roid rage? Depression? Going insane? Really? Sounds like your friends are retarded.

Nope, but you must be mentally challenged if you don't think steroid use has any ill effects.
 

JDawg1536

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Apr 27, 2006
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Originally posted by: mcurphy
Originally posted by: JDawg1536
Originally posted by: mcurphy
Roid rage, depresssion, and just plain going insane are all good reasons to tell him to stop. I never did steroids myself, but when I played football in HS there were a few of my friends that did. Yes, they did get big and strong fast, but their personalities really changed. They were really angry and irate all the time. I remember my one buddy flipping out on his girlfriend for no reason and hitting her. He wasn't an abusive person at all, and I know it was the steroids that escalated the whole situation. He would become completely unreasonable (insane) at certain times. It's not a good thing. It is stupid and I hope you can help your friend stop. The end doesn't justify the means.

Roid rage? Depression? Going insane? Really? Sounds like your friends are retarded.

Nope, but you must be mentally challenged if you don't think steroid use has any ill effects.

I don't think that at all. However, your friends are examples of dooshbags looking for attention and for an excuse to be assholes.... not of victims of the side effects of steroids. The effects are more euphoric than anything else. It's a bunch of hogwash.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: mofoe2001
show him your penis.

Steroids have side effects, but this is not one of them. It will temporarily shrink your balls because they are no longer producing their own testosterone, but even that will revert once the steroid is discontinued.

Having said that, some steroids are more suppressive than others, and as others have already posted, tren is one of the harsher ones. 16 is far too young to be using steroids. Heck, his body is likely already producing plenty of natural testosterone at that age.
 

JDawg1536

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Originally posted by: James3shin



I'm pretty certain that Canseco and/or Giambi no longer produce their own testosterone. I remember reading it in Vindicated, Canseco's second book. I don't remember if Canseco was talking about himself or Giambi but it was mentioned.

You make it sound as if Caminiti not being able to produce testosterone for 4 months as inconsequential. 4 months without your own testosterone production has to suck physically and psychologically.


It was consequential. It was the consequence of abusing steroids in massive amounts. He probably shouldn't have taken something he knew nothing about.
 

James3shin

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I'm sure Ken of all people had trainers (and possibly teammates) telling him what he was taking, but he chose to abuse steroids and did it knowingly. Kind of like what people do with alcohol abuse, they know they are drinking way too much and way too often but they keep going anyway.

The friend of the OP most likely has no trainer and the information he's getting is probably from the internet. Will this info prevent him from abusing? I'm not Nostradamus and can't say for certain he will abuse steroids but the odds are he will unless he gets real advice from a physician or someone with a history of steroid abuse. How "smart" is a 16 year old? From my experiences, not very smart.
 

AreaCode707

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Getting kicked from sports and denied scholarship opportunities if he's found to be using steroids is not enough for him?

Do him a long term favor; after you know he's using go and tell a counselor or trusted teacher. He'll get tested, in trouble, and maybe he'll hate you all his life but his life may be substantially longer. A friend who is willing to do that for him is more of a friend than one who would let him risk his health.
 

JDawg1536

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Originally posted by: James3shin
I'm sure Ken of all people had trainers (and possibly teammates) telling him what he was taking, but he chose to abuse steroids and did it knowingly. Kind of like what people do with alcohol abuse, they know they are drinking way too much and way too often but they keep going anyway.

The friend of the OP most likely has no trainer and the information he's getting is probably from the internet. Will this info prevent him from abusing? I'm not Nostradamus and can't say for certain he will abuse steroids but the odds are he will unless he gets real advice from a physician or someone with a history of steroid abuse. How "smart" is a 16 year old? From my experiences, not very smart.

I'm no expert on Ken Caminiti, but I'm pretty sure he had no doctor or trainer supervision. From what I gathered he just bought it from a friend and stuck it in his ass. He said somewhere that it wasn't until a couple years of using that his new dealer started advising him on what cycling was. That is from memory though, don't quote me.

I'm sure the kid has heard a million times how bad they are for you. How could you not, it's everywhere? I doubt anything you say will change his mind.
 

amicold

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Originally posted by: eplebnista
Originally posted by: maziwanka
Originally posted by: mikelish
if he uses them properly, the only bad thing about steroids is that they're illegal.

unlike this guy :shocked:

He used synthol, not steroids. And your friend will be fine in the long run but trenbolone is very heavy on side effects, kills my aerobic capacity, gives me night sweats and intense dreams.

Edit: This shit isn't even trenbolone, it's a legal alternative product and it probably doesn't even have the knockoff Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione progestin in it.
 

guyver01

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Do him a long term favor; after you know he's using go and tell a counselor or trusted teacher.

Tell his parents, and maybe even law enforcement too.

16 and taking illegal drugs isn't a good thing either.



 

surfsatwerk

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Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Do him a long term favor; after you know he's using go and tell a counselor or trusted teacher.

Tell his parents, and maybe even law enforcement too.

16 and taking illegal drugs isn't a good thing either.

Everybody loves a tattle tale.

Rat him out and all he'll learn is that his friends can't be trusted. So if he ever does anything "really" dangerous he won't tell anybody.
 

guyver01

Lifer
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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Everybody loves a tattle tale.

fine.

when he dies from a drug overdose, and the cops ask if you knew anything..

you can sleep soundly at night knowing, that altho he died, you didnt tattle.


:roll:

grow the fuck up.



 

AreaCode707

Lifer
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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Do him a long term favor; after you know he's using go and tell a counselor or trusted teacher.

Tell his parents, and maybe even law enforcement too.

16 and taking illegal drugs isn't a good thing either.

Everybody loves a tattle tale.

Rat him out and all he'll learn is that his friends can't be trusted. So if he ever does anything "really" dangerous he won't tell anybody.

Sometimes a "tattle tale" has to opt not to be loved and just do the right thing anyway.

Your post displays the characteristic lack of maturity that most of your posts have on this forum since you joined.
 

surfsatwerk

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Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Everybody loves a tattle tale.

fine.

when he dies from a drug overdose, and the cops ask if you knew anything..

you can sleep soundly at night knowing, that altho he died, you didnt tattle.


:roll:

grow the fuck up.

Or maybe when his friend starts suffering from some of the side effects he knows that he can talk to the friends that he trusts and get some help.

You know nothing about helping people. Your holier than thou attitude is what isolates friends who need help and ruins relationships.
 

guyver01

Lifer
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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Your holier than thou attitude is what isolates friends who need help and ruins relationships.

I dont think i would ever want to be friends with someone who does illegal drugs.
If i knew someone who was taking illegal drugs and they wont stop if i asked them to, i would have NO PROBLEM turning their ass in.

They may not like me for it... but they'll be alive to not like me.



 

surfsatwerk

Lifer
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Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Your holier than thou attitude is what isolates friends who need help and ruins relationships.

I dont think i would ever want to be friends with someone who does illegal drugs.
If i knew someone who was taking illegal drugs and they wont stop if i asked them to, i would have NO PROBLEM turning their ass in.

They may not like me for it... but they'll be alive to not like me.

Because people always stop doing drugs when they get in trouble with the cops. Good to know you're ignorant on top of being a self righteous jerk.
 

guyver01

Lifer
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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Because people always stop doing drugs when they get in trouble with the cops. Good to know you're ignorant on top of being a self righteous jerk.

a 16 year old will probably get scared shitless being locked up for a night or two on a drug possession charge.

at 16, it will also involve parental notification.

go watch a series called Scared Straight.. it will show ya what happens to young kids after they spend some time in prison.





 
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