MY GeForce2 GTS Has arrived but i have to wait till christmass.

[Ciber]

was around 30 fps or so for both games. bfg not everyone runs at 1600x1200 and all the settings to the max =)

 

[Mem]

CompFreek,Well this is what you should do ,download the latest drivers for your GTS(they are bound to be more upto date then the CD ones)& stick them in a directory of your choice & when you have the card installed Christmas time you will be ready for installation don`t forget to remove the old ones first.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

What i was trying to say is that i did not want him to do like some guy did a few months ago. He posted a thread and asked why he was getting sucky fps with his GTS. The guy had a k6-2 300. He got screwed by Nvidia's T&L bs. I just wanted to warn this guy.

 

[BFG10K]

Ciber:

was around 30 fps or so for both games.

30 FPS is not smooth. You may think it is but when you try 60 FPS you'll realise what a slideshow you've been playing at all along. The same thing happens when you go from 60 FPS to 120 FPS.

bfg not everyone runs at 1600x1200 and all the settings to the max =)

(1) I play at 640 x 480 for speed reasons.
(2) I'm pointing out he's CPU limited. 1600 x 1200 is video card limited.

 

[CompFreak]

For all you dumbasses who someone dont want to face the turth, a k6-3+@600 with a Geforce2 GTS scores as high as 4500 in 3dmark 2000! I Already have the ss7 mobo but if i didnt they i would go for duron. Athlon750 on GeForce DDR scores 4600. Dumbasses!

Edit: This autta prove it http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q4/001106/amd-06.html Q3 GeForce SDR, 648x480 58fps. hmm so what were you guys saying?

 

[Spoooon]

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You spelled speaker wrong in your sig.

I don't think you'll be able to overclock your K6-3+ to 600, but I'm sure it'll do okay with a GTS. Just not as good as a faster cpu will.

 

[BFG10K]

CompFreek:

For all you dumbasses who someone dont want to face the turth, a k6-3+@600 with a Geforce2 GTS scores as high as 4500 in 3dmark 2000!

So how many people play 3D mark?

I don't know WTF you're on about. It's widely known that the K6 sucked for 3D gaming because of a weak FPU and weak caches. Clock for clock even a lowly Celeron demolished it.

I Already have the ss7 mobo but if i didnt they i would go for duron. Athlon750 on GeForce DDR scores 4600. Dumbasses!

100 points difference? Might I ask what resolution you were running it under?
3D Mark is a video card test not a CPU test. How about giving us some Quake 3/Unreal/UT framerates (in CPU limited situations, of course).

 

[CompFreak]

How bout you take ur little false computer knowlage and shut it up ur ass! The k6-2+ and 3+ are completly difernt! And 3dmark tests the entire computer not just certain componets. maybe your just too dumb to know about the core sizes, ya know thats when instead of useing the old 0.25 core which was slow, the k6-X+ cpus are 0.18 with good FPU power! Enough of your little excuses ya pussy, now get outta here this is non of your biz!

Edit: Actually now that i think of it, I Never Asked for any Opions on CPUs in the First place! I Could care less if you dont want to believe in the true power of the k6-3+! ITS A F@CKING ATHLON IN SS7!! Stop Trying to make things harder then they really are! All i said was I got a GF2 GTS And asking for alittle Good luck with it, Oh thank you very much i got the opposite! Dam you Basterds! I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT KIND OF REPLIES!

 

[RichieZ]

4500 isn't that many 3d marks, but its decent enough. Hehe i got like 4900 w/ an SDR on my P3 550E@794. Then I got a CLAP2, hehehe that thing rocked 89AGP is a go, 260/400, then i made the mistake of retuning it for the POS herc 64MB ! Thing didn't run at 89AGP, would overheat cause the ram heatsinks where a joke. I've been using a V3 2000 PCI since then. I finally just bought another CLAP 2 from someone on pcabuseres. Its been a long time but I will soon return to the glory of GTS. And then I'll get that 1gHz+ DDR system

 

[Zor Prime]

I've got a K6-3+ 450 running at 600MHz actually, 24/7. It also had it at 616MHz for a little bit, but my old POS PC100 SDRAM didn't care for it terribly. Touching the base of the FOP38 HSF is faintly warm. The CPU is intended for laptops, so it doesn't get very hot. One hell of an overclocker, actually.

The K6-3+ has 64KB of L1, 256KB of L2 (1/1 ratio, full speed), 1/2MB L3 cache depending how much cache the motherboard has, MMX/3DNow!/Athlon Enhanced 3DNow!/PowerNow! features.

A bit difficult to find, but some places have them in stock. Great upgrade for $50 dollars.

I'll probably be equipping my sys soon with a VooDoo5 5500 (despite the nVidia buyout, I don't care) so I can avoid AGP voltage problems on the old VA-503+ motherboard running new AGP cards...and my fibre channel setup (half complete) will probably be up and running within 2 months.

Plus there are also software clock multipler programs avaiable (one from Uart) where you can change the speed of your sys on-the-fly thanks to the PowerNow! features. Doesn't concern me tho, I got it maXXXed out, but nice knowing it is 'availiable' at any rate..

Just trying to inject a shot of knowledge into the group collective.

-Zor Prime

 

[UsandThem]

My old setup was a K6-2 350 Mhz Cpu and a 16 MB Creative Labs Graphics Blaster Riva TNT. This was great for all my gaming needs until the evil Quake 3 came out. It was a slide show.

A K6-3+ is much better with the extra cache, but there are no changes from the original K6-3 chip besides the smaller die size and lower power consumption.

You will see better performance when you put in the Geforce card, but the real difference will come when you upgrade to a Athlon/PIII.

The K6-3 is good, but the socket 7 motherboard really limits what any CPU can do on there.

Anyways enjoy your present and it is good choice as it should keep you going with gaming for sometime to come.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

Ok the k6-2+, k6-3+ have the same weak fpu the k6 has always had. The only thing they have is the updated 3dnow! the athlon has(witch is not supported in most games) it's still a weak cpu. The fabrication process has nothing to do with the speed of the cpu. a .18 micro k6-2 at 300mhz would ba as fast as a .25 micron one. The process makes them clock aster thats all. BFG10K is a very smart person. Bashing him will just make you look dumber. Dont you realise everyone is telling you that a k6-3+ is a sucky cpu for gaming(it's pretty good for normal apps) I asure you that my p3 450 is alot faster in games than thet k6-3+ will ever be(decent fpu+ SSE).

 

[Zor Prime]

Sitting here wondering why some people appear so threatened.. a dire need to point out that someone elses sys is not as good as his own, in reality the other guys sys will end up running 99% of the applications out there in the world way faster than his.. K6-3+'s @ 550 whoop up on poor PIII 700's on some benchmarks i've seen floating around.. but what do I care, I'm not one to rant &quot;Mine is bigger than yours!&quot;.

-Zor Prime

 

[UsandThem]

Here is some links for people to read up on. A K6-3 is not the best CPU, but it holds its own with the Celeron.

K6-2+



Old K6-3 benchmark

I know the last one is old but there are not changes to the K6-3 besides the smaller die size and lower power consumption. These two thing I guess is why you can overclock the K6 CPU's now.

Let me clarify my last remarks. Your system is fine. You will get great gaming from it. However the video card is very CPU dependent, so the video card will have more performance to give with a faster CPU in the future.

I am not putting down your system. You can run a Cyrix or a Mac for that matter.

 

[CompFreak]

As BFK10k Requested, CPU Benchmark results, Very similer to Duron 600. oced to 632mhz. http://www.geocities.com/acid625/acid625.html and let me say it again, What were you guys saying????

 

[BW]

Hey compfreak. Dont listen to them. I used to use the k6's all the time.My son has a k63 450 with an mx and it plays Q3 fine.Q3 likes cach also so the 256 full speed cach and the 1 meg of motherboard cach help it alot. I still love the little k6's. With the .18 micron it should hit 600 easy.Thats what i read at AMDzone all the time.They do pretty well @600.Clock for clock they are still the fastest in integer cpu you can buy. So everybody needs to shut the fuuck up and leave him alone on the cpu subject. He know's its not going to run as fast as a duron becouse he said that if he didnt already have the ss7 board he would get the duron.

 

[CompFreak]

exactly, Now i aint gonna listen to them k6 haters anymore, They just need to get lives and stop bashing me around!

 

[BFG10K]

Compfreak:

How bout you take ur little false computer knowlage and shut it up ur ass!



maybe your just too dumb to know about the core sizes, ya know thats when instead of useing the old 0.25 core which was slow, the k6-X+ cpus are 0.18 with good FPU power

Core size increases performance? LOL!

The core size has nothing do with performance and certainly nothing to do with &quot;FPU power&quot; as you put it. Lowered the core size simply increases chip yields, lowers prices and decreases power consumption/heat output of the chip.

Dam you Basterds! I NEVER ASKED FOR THAT KIND OF REPLIES!

Calm down dude. Geez.

I guarantee the first thing you'll do after trying out your GF2 in Quake 3/UT is fire up your browser and look for CPU prices so you can upgrade. And when that happen be sure to drop us a line and tell us.

Zor Prime:

Sitting here wondering why some people appear so threatened.. a dire need to point out that someone elses sys is not as good as his own,

WTF are you on about? I'm the first to admit my Celeron 500 system gives me sub-par performance. I simply wanted to point out that having a K6 CPU for 3D gaming is a waste of time with a monster video card like the GF2.

K6-3+'s @ 550 whoop up on poor PIII 700's on some benchmarks i've seen floating around

Riiiight. How exactly where they &quot;floating&quot;?

antiABIT:

Here is some links for people to read up on. A K6-3 is not the best CPU, but it holds its own with the Celeron.

Thanks for the benchmarks, which prove my point nicely.

In the Q2 crusher results when using nVidia's non-3DNow! optimised drivers a Celeron 400 beats a K6-3 450 by ~16%, despite the K6 having a 50 MHz clock advantage. Using 3dfx's 3DNow! drivers a K6-3 450 manages to beat a Celeron 400 by ~1 FPS.

In addition the K6-3 scales linearly in performance from a K6-2 when the MHz is raised, indicating the same weak FPU is used in both CPUS. And guess what folks? FPU power is *extremely* important in 3D games.

Quake 2 benchmarks.

Dark4ng3l:

Dont you realise everyone is telling you that a k6-3+ is a sucky cpu for gaming(it's pretty good for normal apps) I asure you that my p3 450 is alot faster in games than thet k6-3+ will ever be(decent fpu+ SSE).

Exactly. I don't see why everyone is getting so worked up about it. It's just a simple CPU/3D gaming discussion.

 

[BW]

I see that on crusher @1024x768 16bit that the celeron500 got 31 fps.The k6-3 450 got 25 fps. Six more frames per sec.Oh boy.And the celery had a 50mhz advantage.He wont be useing a 450. he will have it @600 or higher if he can.What i posted above is also none 3dnow.lol.

 

[CompFreak]

Ok BFG10k, If you really Guarantee me of looking for a Upgrade after i get my gf2 GTS, We will hold that on me and see whos right in the end.

 

[BW]

This is assuming that the gts will work on your board. I got my son the VA-503+ and the mx works fine.The gts probably would also. If you cant get it to work right away ask for help on amdzone as they no thier shiit.The gts can be a pain on some setups not just ss7.
Later.

 

[Doomguy]

You guys should be ashamed of yourself. You didnt have to reign on his parade. Why did you guys even bother saying anything if it wasent nice? Geez.

 

[BFG10K]

BW:

I see that on crusher @1024x768 16bit that the celeron500 got 31 fps.The k6-3 450 got 25 fps. Six more frames per sec.Oh boy.And the celery had a 50mhz advantage

You do realise the tests are video card limited at 1024 x 768 on the TNT? That's why there is very little difference between Intel's 400 MHz and 500 MHz CPUs. If you look at the bottom graph the 500 MHz CPU scales nicely with clockspeed because the V3 has a higher fillrate than the TNT.

The fact that the K6-3 450 can't even saturate a TNT (without 3DNow! optimisations) is what says it all.

 

[BW]

Yea i see the bottom graph.It proves my point even better.It uses the voodoo3500 with it.Still six fps more.WOW and that was the Pentium3 500 this time against a k6-3 450.Still 50 mhz diff. Anyway the whole dam point is he knows that cpu is not the fastest,but it will get the job done very well.How would you like me to tell you how my system will crush yours on everything.You wouldnt like it.Even though yours is fast and does good its not as fast as mine.

 

[BW]

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