Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: NutBucket
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: NutBucket
OMFG!!! I can only run low 14's in the quarter mile!! My life is over!!!
:roll:
Yeah people like this (you perhaps?) aren't concerned with being 'fast' as long as they can pick off the little guys. You say quarter mile times don't matter, that balance and handling are everything, yet you rev at stop lights and pick on people who you KNOW have half the car that you have at stop lights and straight roads.
Once somebody your own size finally schools you, you play down power and speed and say its all about twisties and handling and argue that your 175 HP car could take a 700 HP car if you "threw some twisties in there"
I've heard it over and over and over again
You'll never hear someone with a BMW complaining about about twisties as long as they are wasting Hondas and Toyotas on a straight run from a stop (ie: 1/4 mile), but smoke their asss with a vette or a mustang and suddenly they cry about twisties.
:roll:
Oh yes, because you know exactly how I live:roll: Come to think of it, I don't believe I've ever "revved" at a stoplight. Furthermore, I've never even attempted to make the claim that I can beat some 700hp monster in the twisties. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to showoff by racing cars I know are slower. I wonder why you're getting so defensive. Sheesh man, just accept that a lot of people, myself included, don't care about having a 10 second car.
I must apologize, nothing personal. I just get extremely annoyed when someone starts talking about "twisties" just because it?s the oldest excuse in the book. Every time someone I see someone with a weak car try to take someone from a light (ie: drag race, 1/4 mile) it's only after getting wasted that they say 1/4 miles times don't mean anything and start crying about "throw some twisties in there" If they knew their car wasn?t good off the line or that 1/4 mile isn?t everything, why do they happily do it to people with lesser cars until someone finally gives them a taste of their own?
To each their own as far as preferences go, but I tire of people who buy something, brag that they can take me off a light, get their asses handed to them, and then complain there were no ?twisties.? If they can't do straights, then don't challenge people to straights, it's as simple as that.
Actually my few racing stories are rather funny. Once I was just at a stoplight next to an '04 E320. I just waited at the light...no revving, nothing. Light turns green and the guy takes off. I was like wtf, so I take off after him. I think he was a bit surprised when he didn't smoke the little Honda next to him (car i'm selling/sold). Not that running a low 15 is anything to brag about.....but it is when the car runs low/mid 16's stock.
Another time, I happened to be lined up next to an E36 M3. Again, I didn't make any attempt and challenging him to a race. Light turns green and I took off anyway since its fun. Guy in the M3 stalls it so I just get off the gas. When he gets going again he comes up fast behind me so I nail it and he can't lose me.
Ah well, good times. I guess I just enjoy messing with people who think they have fast cars I know that guy in the IS300 was surprised but that was some highspeed racing on the freeway.
Originally posted by: railer
Eh, the Miata could be a sports car, I guess. It appears that they do handle pretty well. I was thinking they had 116 hp, which is a joke. A 178 hp Miata would obviously be kickass. That would be some power to weight ratio. I just think there needs to be some miminum threshold for speed before something can be called a sports car, or else you look like an asshat. It doesn't need to be ripping Mustang GT's or anything, but it can't be gettinng outrun by $300 1987 Dodge Omni's either. A Miata with ~ 150 hp would be good enough, IMO, and I'd call that a sports car.
Originally posted by: railer
Eh, the Miata could be a sports car, I guess. It appears that they do handle pretty well. I was thinking they had 116 hp, which is a joke. A 178 hp Miata would obviously be kickass. That would be some power to weight ratio. I just think there needs to be some miminum threshold for speed before something can be called a sports car, or else you look like an asshat. It doesn't need to be ripping Mustang GT's or anything, but it can't be gettinng outrun by $300 1987 Dodge Omni's either. A Miata with ~ 150 hp would be good enough, IMO, and I'd call that a sports car.
I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all
Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Originally posted by: Jumpem
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Miata vs Subaru?
Correct. I have a Miata, and she just got a turbo Forester.
Drop in a 5.0L from a 'stang and problem solved :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: Actaeon
I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all
Oh geeze. :roll:
Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Originally posted by: Actaeon
I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all
Oh geeze. :roll:
Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):
An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.
or!
a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...
Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Originally posted by: Jumpem
Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Miata vs Subaru?
Correct. I have a Miata, and she just got a turbo Forester.
Drop in a 5.0L from a 'stang and problem solved :thumbsup:
Yeah , but now you have a new problem. You had a dependable but slow sports car and you now have a sports car with blue oval disease. Don't touch the ford leave it on the road where you found it.
Originally posted by: Actaeon
Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Originally posted by: Actaeon
I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all
Oh geeze. :roll:
Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):
An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.
or!
a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...
The 94-97 NA have the same Motor as the 99-04 NBs (granted 99-00 has VICS and 01+ has VVT), same Suspension Layout, same chassis. Heck, the NA even weigh less than the NBs. The difference in acceleration times is less than half a second in the quarter mile (NBs run low-mid 16s, NAs run mid 16). 0-60 is roughly the same as well.
Yes, the NBs have more power, but the horsepower difference between the NAs and NBs are less than 10RWHP if you look at the Flyin Miata dynos, sometimes less, depending on the cars tested. NBs make roughly 110hp, NAs make roughly 100hp to the wheels.
Yes, the general concensus is that the NB is a better car, but to say one is a "sports car" and the other is not is absolutely ridiciulous.
Fixed.Originally posted by: sniperruff
sure. a Forester XT is faster than a mustang V8.
Originally posted by: Vic
Fixed.Originally posted by: sniperruff
sure. a Forester XT is faster than a mustang V8.
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: Vic
Fixed.Originally posted by: sniperruff
sure. a Forester XT is faster than a mustang V8.
Yeah it is pathetic. The GT has had 260 HP from a V8 and you can get a damn Nissan with that much power out of a FWD V6! My fiancee is looking at a 2005 Toyota Avalon with 280 HP from a V6... doesn't make the regular or GT mustangs all that impressive.
At least the new GT has 300 HP, it's a start.
But I am still of the opinion that the only real Mustang left in the world is the Cobra. The other models have gone down market to fullfill the masses.
Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
Originally posted by: Actaeon
I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all
Oh geeze. :roll:
Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):
An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.
or!
a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...
Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan
I wouldn't say that, it's just a matter of opinion. I wouldn't class it as a sports car just due to the lack of hp compared to the NB. It's like saying, the civic is a sports car, because the civic SI is one. The same reason I also give, is it's like saying the Honda Del Sol and Civic are sports cars.
You can think what you want, let me think what I want. After all, remember I'm just a stupid girl that knows nothing about cars. Flame me if you want, but you're not going to change my mind. It's still my opinion.