My gf's station wagon is faster than my sports car!

[GoingUp]

his gf could be driving a magnum

 

[pray4mojo]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: NutBucket
OMFG!!! I can only run low 14's in the quarter mile!! My life is over!!!

:roll:

Yeah people like this (you perhaps?) aren't concerned with being 'fast' as long as they can pick off the little guys. You say quarter mile times don't matter, that balance and handling are everything, yet you rev at stop lights and pick on people who you KNOW have half the car that you have at stop lights and straight roads.

Once somebody your own size finally schools you, you play down power and speed and say its all about twisties and handling and argue that your 175 HP car could take a 700 HP car if you "threw some twisties in there"

I've heard it over and over and over again

You'll never hear someone with a BMW complaining about about twisties as long as they are wasting Hondas and Toyotas on a straight run from a stop (ie: 1/4 mile), but smoke their asss with a vette or a mustang and suddenly they cry about twisties.

:roll:

Oh yes, because you know exactly how I live:roll: Come to think of it, I don't believe I've ever "revved" at a stoplight. Furthermore, I've never even attempted to make the claim that I can beat some 700hp monster in the twisties. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to showoff by racing cars I know are slower. I wonder why you're getting so defensive. Sheesh man, just accept that a lot of people, myself included, don't care about having a 10 second car.

I must apologize, nothing personal. I just get extremely annoyed when someone starts talking about "twisties" just because it?s the oldest excuse in the book. Every time someone I see someone with a weak car try to take someone from a light (ie: drag race, 1/4 mile) it's only after getting wasted that they say 1/4 miles times don't mean anything and start crying about "throw some twisties in there" If they knew their car wasn?t good off the line or that 1/4 mile isn?t everything, why do they happily do it to people with lesser cars until someone finally gives them a taste of their own?

To each their own as far as preferences go, but I tire of people who buy something, brag that they can take me off a light, get their asses handed to them, and then complain there were no ?twisties.? If they can't do straights, then don't challenge people to straights, it's as simple as that.

Actually my few racing stories are rather funny. Once I was just at a stoplight next to an '04 E320. I just waited at the light...no revving, nothing. Light turns green and the guy takes off. I was like wtf, so I take off after him. I think he was a bit surprised when he didn't smoke the little Honda next to him (car i'm selling/sold). Not that running a low 15 is anything to brag about.....but it is when the car runs low/mid 16's stock.

Another time, I happened to be lined up next to an E36 M3. Again, I didn't make any attempt and challenging him to a race. Light turns green and I took off anyway since its fun. Guy in the M3 stalls it so I just get off the gas. When he gets going again he comes up fast behind me so I nail it and he can't lose me.

Ah well, good times. I guess I just enjoy messing with people who think they have fast cars I know that guy in the IS300 was surprised but that was some highspeed racing on the freeway.

Is the H22 from the Prelude?

 

[Drakkon]

I say for a sports car to be a sports car its gotta have a cool name
Mustang, Viper, Corvette, these are all cool names

Miata, lotus...i dunno...sound a little affeminate to me....

Thus the forrester (sounds like a type of lumberjack) is way more "manly" than miata (who the f knows what that is) thus of course the forrester will kick the miatas ass

 

[EGGO]

Is it a rex wagon?

 

[piroroadkill]

<3 Audi RS6 estate

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: pray4mojo
Is the H22 from the Prelude?

Yes

 

[railer]

Eh, the Miata could be a sports car, I guess. It appears that they do handle pretty well. I was thinking they had 116 hp, which is a joke. A 178 hp Miata would obviously be kickass. That would be some power to weight ratio. I just think there needs to be some miminum threshold for speed before something can be called a sports car, or else you look like an asshat. It doesn't need to be ripping Mustang GT's or anything, but it can't be gettinng outrun by $300 1987 Dodge Omni's either. A Miata with ~ 150 hp would be good enough, IMO, and I'd call that a sports car.

 

[SupaDupaPan]

Originally posted by: railer
Eh, the Miata could be a sports car, I guess. It appears that they do handle pretty well. I was thinking they had 116 hp, which is a joke. A 178 hp Miata would obviously be kickass. That would be some power to weight ratio. I just think there needs to be some miminum threshold for speed before something can be called a sports car, or else you look like an asshat. It doesn't need to be ripping Mustang GT's or anything, but it can't be gettinng outrun by $300 1987 Dodge Omni's either. A Miata with ~ 150 hp would be good enough, IMO, and I'd call that a sports car.

Actually, let me correct myself. I believe his was a 2003 Miata, Sport version, which is basically, a miata, with sport suspension. Think of it as a Lancer OZ Rally Edition. A lancer, with sport suspension ... and no extra umpf really.

The NA model is 128 hp, 1 hp more than the 2002 Civic EX (127). His model, the NB (2nd generation non turbo) is 142 hp and is 2387 lbs.

I agree though, there has to be some minimum threashold for it to be considered a sports car. I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all ... it'd be like calling a Honda Del Sol a sports car.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: railer
Eh, the Miata could be a sports car, I guess. It appears that they do handle pretty well. I was thinking they had 116 hp, which is a joke. A 178 hp Miata would obviously be kickass. That would be some power to weight ratio. I just think there needs to be some miminum threshold for speed before something can be called a sports car, or else you look like an asshat. It doesn't need to be ripping Mustang GT's or anything, but it can't be gettinng outrun by $300 1987 Dodge Omni's either. A Miata with ~ 150 hp would be good enough, IMO, and I'd call that a sports car.

A V6 Miata with 240 HP minimum would be neat.

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
:laugh:

 

[railer]

2387 is all it weighs? 142 hp? That's not bad at all. 0-60 in what, low 7's? Low 15 1/4? Not bad, not bad.....

 

[SwiftWind]

In Japan you can buy a Subaru STi Station wagon...dunno about the U.S.

 

[Actaeon]

I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all

Oh geeze. :roll:

 

[g8wayrebel]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Miata vs Subaru?

Correct. I have a Miata, and she just got a turbo Forester.

Drop in a 5.0L from a 'stang and problem solved :thumbsup:

Yeah , but now you have a new problem. You had a dependable but slow sports car and you now have a sports car with blue oval disease. Don't touch the ford leave it on the road where you found it.

 

[SupaDupaPan]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all

Oh geeze. :roll:

Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):

An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.

or!

a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons

Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan

Originally posted by: Actaeon

I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all

Oh geeze. :roll:

Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):

An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.

or!

a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons

Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...

The 94-97 NA have the same Motor as the 99-04 NBs (granted 99-00 has VICS and 01+ has VVT), same Suspension Layout, same chassis. Heck, the NA even weigh less than the NBs. The difference in acceleration times is less than half a second in the quarter mile (NBs run low-mid 16s, NAs run mid 16). 0-60 is roughly the same as well.

Yes, the NBs have more power, but the horsepower difference between the NAs and NBs are less than 10RWHP if you look at the Flyin Miata dynos, sometimes less, depending on the cars tested. NBs make roughly 110hp, NAs make roughly 100hp to the wheels.

Yes, the general concensus is that the NB is a better car, but to say one is a "sports car" and the other is not is absolutely ridiciulous.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: iluvtruenos
Miata vs Subaru?

Correct. I have a Miata, and she just got a turbo Forester.

Drop in a 5.0L from a 'stang and problem solved :thumbsup:

Yeah , but now you have a new problem. You had a dependable but slow sports car and you now have a sports car with blue oval disease. Don't touch the ford leave it on the road where you found it.

Dude, they use the Ford 4.6 in the Koenigsegg along with a host of other European supercars because of the low cost and extreme durability. I'm sure it's good enough for a Miata.
Edit: Oh wait, that previous post was about the 5.0. I retract my statement.

 

[SupaDupaPan]

Originally posted by: Actaeon

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan

Originally posted by: Actaeon

I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all

Oh geeze. :roll:

Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):

An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.

or!

a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons

Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...

The 94-97 NA have the same Motor as the 99-04 NBs (granted 99-00 has VICS and 01+ has VVT), same Suspension Layout, same chassis. Heck, the NA even weigh less than the NBs. The difference in acceleration times is less than half a second in the quarter mile (NBs run low-mid 16s, NAs run mid 16). 0-60 is roughly the same as well.

Yes, the NBs have more power, but the horsepower difference between the NAs and NBs are less than 10RWHP if you look at the Flyin Miata dynos, sometimes less, depending on the cars tested. NBs make roughly 110hp, NAs make roughly 100hp to the wheels.

Yes, the general concensus is that the NB is a better car, but to say one is a "sports car" and the other is not is absolutely ridiciulous.

I wouldn't say that, it's just a matter of opinion. I wouldn't class it as a sports car just due to the lack of hp compared to the NB. It's like saying, the civic is a sports car, because the civic SI is one. The same reason I also give, is it's like saying the Honda Del Sol and Civic are sports cars.

You can think what you want, let me think what I want. After all, remember I'm just a stupid girl that knows nothing about cars. Flame me if you want, but you're not going to change my mind. It's still my opinion.

 

[mitaiwan82]

I :heart: my NA Miata! It's the definitive car to own if you want something cheap, reliable, and fun in the sun :thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
sure. a Forester XT is faster than a mustang V8.

Fixed.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sniperruff
sure. a Forester XT is faster than a mustang V8.

Fixed.

Yeah it is pathetic. The GT has had 260 HP from a V8 and you can get a damn Nissan with that much power out of a FWD V6! My fiancee is looking at a 2005 Toyota Avalon with 280 HP from a V6... doesn't make the regular or GT mustangs all that impressive.

At least the new GT has 300 HP, it's a start.

But I am still of the opinion that the only real Mustang left in the world is the Cobra. The other models have gone down market to fullfill the masses.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: sniperruff
sure. a Forester XT is faster than a mustang V8.

Fixed.

Yeah it is pathetic. The GT has had 260 HP from a V8 and you can get a damn Nissan with that much power out of a FWD V6! My fiancee is looking at a 2005 Toyota Avalon with 280 HP from a V6... doesn't make the regular or GT mustangs all that impressive.

At least the new GT has 300 HP, it's a start.

But I am still of the opinion that the only real Mustang left in the world is the Cobra. The other models have gone down market to fullfill the masses.

Hey! At least we can agree on that.

Mustang = weak.

The last one I liked was the Cobra R of a few years ago. That sucker was bad@ss.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan

Originally posted by: Actaeon

I don't consider the older miatas (NA - popup headlights) a sports car at all

Oh geeze. :roll:

Definition of a sports car (found on the web ):

An agile vehicle that is easily maneuverable, accelerates briskly, brakes positively, handles well and steers precisely. It is tightly sprung and does not wallow and heave as does a conventional passenger car and is therefore not as comfortable.

or!

a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons

Now, the NA miata, is easily maneuverable, breaks well, and handles well, but to be honest, it doesn't accelerate all that well unless modded. IMO, it's not a sports car really. And that's MY opinion. Others may think differently. I place it in the same category as the Honda Del Sol and Civic ...

Except the Miata is RWD, low slung, perfectly balanced, and allows for more connection in terms of driver feel than almost any other car.

A sports car isn't about showing off your penis by bragging about quarter mile times; it's about driver feel and enjoyment.

Word definitions aside, here is the best rule of thumb: If you were at the helm of a pure sports car, you would be more excited about seeing this than seeing this :thumbsup:

 

[Engineer]

Dodge Magnum?

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: SupaDupaPan

I wouldn't say that, it's just a matter of opinion. I wouldn't class it as a sports car just due to the lack of hp compared to the NB. It's like saying, the civic is a sports car, because the civic SI is one. The same reason I also give, is it's like saying the Honda Del Sol and Civic are sports cars.

You can think what you want, let me think what I want. After all, remember I'm just a stupid girl that knows nothing about cars. Flame me if you want, but you're not going to change my mind. It's still my opinion.

I believe you are comparing apples to oranges with the Civic/Miata comparison.

The regular Civic has 115hp, and the Civic Si has 160hp. The Civic SI also has a revised and higher performing suspension. That is a 45hp difference and a revised suspension between the models. There is a big difference between a regular Civic and an Si.

The "non-sports car" Miata has 133hp in 96-97, But the "real sports car" Miata has 140hp in 99-00. There is a 7hp difference between a true sports car and a fake one! The suspension is identical.

Again, your comparison was apples to oranges.

Funny how 7hp makes or breaks the car in your eyes. But whatever floats your boat.

I wasn't flaming you at all, I just find your reasoning to be unrealistic. I'm sure you know plenty about cars, and I also know you drive a MSM .