My girlfriends EX hates my choice of AMD 1800 +. What do you think?

[Alex]

hes just a jealous intel freak...

athlonxp is the best processor out there except for the new 533fsb p4s and frankly theyre way to expensive... you made a wise choice, im going with a 2100+ personally, as long as the 2200+ isnt released before i buy!

 

[Alphazero]

The bloke is just jealous. The 1800+ offers the best price/performance ratio on the market. BTW, I watch a lot of Ricki Lake , and having the ex around is generally a bad idea...

 

[SSXeon5]

<< hes just a jealous intel freak...

athlonxp is the best processor out there except for the new 533fsb p4s and frankly theyre way to expensive... you made a wise choice, im going with a 2100+ personally, as long as the 2200+ isnt released before i buy! >>



Well the boards for the XP stability is a huge factor, and SiS and VIA isnt something to be proud of. I got a SiS645 board for a friend and did a brand new install of XP and non-stop problems happened. Never crossing the intel line EVER again after that 10hours of hell. VIA is a big instability motherboard maker .... Ive heard alot of things about them ... AMD chipsets are the most stable for the XP and there arnt many good ones out. And the heat is a issue ... to cool the beast down you need a high speed fan ... and heavy heatsink.

SSXeon

 

[sandorski]

The SiS chipset for SocketA is very good.

Anyway, get the AthlonXP, then get an "Intel Inside" sticker, that'll stop any crap you get from your GF or her ex. No one will know the difference.

 

[SonicTron]

As sick and sad as it may sound to you, I find many of you people extremely AMD biased. Apparently, this ex-boyfriend happens to work at a computer shop. Now, what I am gonna guess is that the reason he REALLY dislikes AMD CPU's is because of the fact that the cores are so dainty and easy to chip. Which is true. They probably get pissed off when they sell a chip to a customer, customer breaks the chip, customer comes back and bitches until they get their money back, and the shop loses the $$ on the chip because its an OEM chip....

but the BS about stability is just unnecessary

 

[amnesiac]

I only favor AMD because you can get X level of performance for 1/2 the price you'd pay for an equivalent CPU from Intel. If Intel's pricing was more competitive to the DIY consumer market (as opposed to gigantic corporate OEMs) they'd have my business in a second.

 

[SuperT]

hey man, who cares what the old b/f says, he would say anything to put down the current guy. anyhow i have an xp 1800+ o/c'd to be a 2000+ and have NO TROUBLE at all, i dont even remeber the last time i turned it off for anything. an intel 1.8 doesnt even compare.

 

[Sukhoi]

What do you mean? I've seen a lot of people getting 1.8As to 2.4 GHz. You can't compare an overclocked processor directly with a non-overclocked one.

 

[Booster]

<< So I'm about to buy a new computer with the AMD 1800+ processor. >>



The XP 1800+ is a far better choice for the money, if you don't OC. It's significantly faster in games and power-demanding apps because it's FPU is a lot more powerful than that of the P4. Yes, the rating is 1800, but it will outperform a P4 1.8 in games etc.
Of course, if you OC a P4 1.8 to 2.4, it will be faster, but OCing isn't suitable for everyone.

 

[Jhhnn]

AMD boards have had some growing pains and may yet have some issues with SBLive cards, but the DDR chipsets from both Via and SiS are solid. The problems were never really about the processors themselves. Really cheap mobos are no bargain, either, no matter what platform they support.

I think that AMD systems may require a little more knowledge and effort to set up right, but that it pays off. The only Intel offerings that give as much bang for the buck are the 1.6 Northwoods, and they have to be overclocked to compete.

There are a whole bunch of fanboys on either side of the question, but regardless of that input, AMD wouldn't have taken as much market share as they have over the last couple of years without selling good stuff.....

 

[RagingGuardian]

First of all I wouldn't approve of my girlfriend talking to her ex. Secondly it's not processors that are unstable, but motherboard and other finicky components, the Athlon is a proven chip with many years under it's belt.

I bet my Dual 1Gig Duron is faster than his Dual P3 and is just as stable if not more. And why does he need 1Gig of memory?

 

[broadwayblue]

i've got a 14 month old AMD 1.2ghz Thunderbird running on an Asus A7V133 and the thing is a rock. 1 crash in over a year. can't get much more stable than that on a pc that's on 24/7. AMD will get my business again on my next pc as soon as they get their new Thoroughbreds on the market.

 

[sonoran]

>>> Oh yeah, P4 1.8A is $185, AthlonXP 1800+ is $108. Not exactly the same price..

So how much does that $108 Athlon cost after buying a high-wattage power supply and a monster heatsink/fan? Not to mention all the extra electricity you're paying for over time. Hmmm...

 

[slowbutsure]

I think it's extremly funny that Intel fans talk about AMD's needing large heat sinks, powerful fans and high wattage power supplies. Have any of you Intel lovers looked inside the case of a P4? If you did, you'd see a large heatsink, big fan and if you bother to check the power supply a high powered one that is normally rated for either a P4 or an Athalon.

That being said, either solution is fine and will run stable on a decent motherboard.

 

[Bellyofthebeast]

Sounds like the ex-bf spends his time flashing, but it's certainly not AMD mobos, as they recognize unintelligible salesmen around them immediately & split (as in, get sold quickly to smart customers).

What you can do is, contact YOUR ex-gf, get her opinion, & be nice. Suggest that your ex-gf take her Intel mobo to this bozo flasher, & tell him it needs flashing. (Mess with his mind, you're doing him a favor!)

Meanwhile, go find yourself the high quality AMD 1800+ system, you want & don't look back! You & your new gf are VERY STABLE. It was the ex-bf that CRASHED!

 

[Heinrich]

The 'ex' is trying to make you look bad. He is very ignorant.

 

[HardWareXpert]

It's like someone said, AMD has been let down by some bad chipsets however any with a bit of knowledge can iron out theses problems with Patchs, bios updates, bios settings.

The CPU is not the problem, even crushing core's it's not the fault of AMD, the user 90% of the time is at fault and the rest is OS and drivers.

If you cannot get a AMD system stable or to run properly that you really should'nt be building computers

 

[Atif]

<< Sounds like the ex-bf spends his time flashing, but it's certainly not AMD mobos >>


LOL! Arguably the funniest line I've heard in a while

Where have you gone pietaster? Any reflection on the many comments posted since Wednesday?

Peace

 

[Sukhoi]

<< >>> Oh yeah, P4 1.8A is $185, AthlonXP 1800+ is $108. Not exactly the same price..

So how much does that $108 Athlon cost after buying a high-wattage power supply and a monster heatsink/fan? Not to mention all the extra electricity you're paying for over time. Hmmm... >>



Those are both retail processors, so no HSF costs. A 300 watt AMD-approved PSU should be fine for the 1800+, not much more than you'd need for a P4.

 

[Chaotic42]

<< I think it's extremly funny that Intel fans talk about AMD's needing large heat sinks, powerful fans and high wattage power supplies. Have any of you Intel lovers looked inside the case of a P4? >>



It's funny that anyone could be a blind fan of any company. Just judge the situation on a case by case basis. It's overgeneralization to say that Intel sucks or AMD sucks.

That said, I have an AMD XP 1800+ on order.

 

[Dreadogg]

>>> Oh yeah, P4 1.8A is $185, AthlonXP 1800+ is $108. Not exactly the same price..

So how much does that $108 Athlon cost after buying a high-wattage power supply and a monster heatsink/fan? Not to mention all the extra electricity you're paying for over time. Hmmm... >>

I think this is the X BF! LOL

 

[PC166]

For anyone using Intel only that's being biased but for most of us that use both we are not. We simply make decision on which give better performance on your money's worth. AMD are not easy chip as you think, if you are gentle and cautious, there shouldn't be any problem. I applied so much pressure and still it was in one piece. I feel that some of us like to take the easy way out and go with Intel because of their own mistake. It take a experienced user for anyone to make full use of AMD, not for rooks or newbie who just don't have that magic touch and are likely to damage the chip or flash it incorrectly.

Originally posted by: SonicTron
As sick and sad as it may sound to you, I find many of you people extremely AMD biased. Apparently, this ex-boyfriend happens to work at a computer shop. Now, what I am gonna guess is that the reason he REALLY dislikes AMD CPU's is because of the fact that the cores are so dainty and easy to chip. Which is true. They probably get pissed off when they sell a chip to a customer, customer breaks the chip, customer comes back and bitches until they get their money back, and the shop loses the $$ on the chip because its an OEM chip....

but the BS about stability is just unnecessary

 

[JMichna]

Originally posted by: sonoran
>>> Oh yeah, P4 1.8A is $185, AthlonXP 1800+ is $108. Not exactly the same price..

So how much does that $108 Athlon cost after buying a high-wattage power supply and a monster heatsink/fan? Not to mention all the extra electricity you're paying for over time. Hmmm...

ThemalRight AX7 = $27, Sunon 80mm fan = $8.95, P/S... buy quality whether Intel or AMD anyway... differences between Enermax models, for example:

ENERMAX EG301P-VE (FMA) 300W Power Supply for AMD K7 & Pentium4 = $49
ENERMAX EG365P-VE(FC). 350W Power supply for AMD K7 & Pentium4 = $57
ENERMAX EG465P-VE(FC). 431W Power supply for AMD K7 & Pentium4 = $83

All these would work in almost any AMD or Intel system, unless absolutely overwhelmed by CD-ROM + CD-RW + DVD-ROM + 4 or 5 drives in RAID array... you get the idea.

I really don't see a significant price differewnce between Intel P-4s and AMD TBirds or XPs with any of these components.
jmichna

 

[MrCraphead]

Originally posted by: Sukhoi
That guy is a moron.

and yeah, wtf is your GF doing consulting her Ex? :|

 

[HGC]

I would explain in a patient voice that many people are intimidated by AMD because they are afraid of something newer, even if it is better. Like guys who would not buy a foriegn car in the seventies. Then you can point out that AMD is faster at every speed for the money, AMD is used by big system manufactuers, and AMD is preferred by knowledgeable reviewers and enthusiasts. The problems come because ex did not take 20 minutes to find out about using right power supply or motherboard.

Seem compassionate toward the ignorant and fearful ex and you win!