My gtx 260 vs. my hd 4870

[unr3al]

I won't outright say it's a fake, but it really sounds fishy. First off, the framerates sound wrong. Second, I doubt if the GeForce would OC that well. Fact: the 4870 is cheaper than the GTX260 and faster at stock. How can it suddenly be pulverised by the GTX260 after a little overclocking?

Overclocking simply doesn't have such stellar results. Great to keep your aging component up to date by adding a few fps but not what we're seeing here. I have been overclocking since my second PC (I am currently on my fourth; don't go through PCs like they're running out of fasion) and on none of them have I seen such results. The CPU would be the first limiting factor here.

Talking about CPUs, that load temp sounds more than fishy. Aircooling, 3.9GHz, Intel quad core, 65'C max load? Doesn't sound likely.

 

[imaheadcase]

1. Its not "Cheaper", they are close to the same price depending on manufacture now. 4870 goes for around $280-300 and GTX 260 goes for around $300.
2. Overclocking what HE DID does yield that good results.
3. That is normal CPU temp on air cooling on new quad cores.

 

[shangshang]

The OP gave us his results. You can verify the yourself i you don't believe him. But for godsake, don't call (or hint) a poster is a "fake" because you think his results should be otherwise but could not verify his results!

To the OP, thanks for posting your results. I liked your heat/noise comparison between the two products. Many net sites will give plenty of benchies, but not many actually give us a real world heat/noise comparison.

 

[iBPJohn]

I can confirm that those 260's can overclock very well. I got 3 of them a little bit above the OP's speed , but I'm not sure if was perfectly stable or artifact free

 

[Cookie Monster]

The GTX260s do OC very well. If you want proof, head over to multiple forums with these cards hitting atleast ~700MHz on the core. Compared to the stock clocks of a GTX260 (575/1200 core/shader) this has been OCed up to ~750/1500. Id say thats a pretty huge leap enough to gain the performance figures shown here.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: x2 3600 rules sazakky
can i buy the 4870 or not

How can you buy something he never had? This is a fake.

It must be a fake, because you dont like the results!


Anyway a heavily OC'd 260 has been shown to get close to a Vanilla 280, so its not really surprising that it could meet/beat a vanilla 4870.

I call them fake b/c
1. It seems very unlikely after reading all the real reviews
2. there are a number of Nvidia shills on this forum, some incognito, some not
3. No proof! I am supposed to believe something like this with no proof?

I dont give a damn about green or red, I just hate all the bs from shills from either side, although it is mainly green at this time around. It is really pathetic. All I care about is my wallet, so cram that up your fanboy arse.

 

[taltamir]

actually a bunch of official reviews did test ocing on the G200 and all said it oced well and also got huge performance boost for the OC.

there are a few nvidia partner employees and a few people who in part of the focus group.. and NONE of them are incognito, all of them state it in their signature..

I am really sick of all those "shill shill shill" accusations flying around. I typically get called an nvidia shill AND an AMD shill several times a day, but i noticed I get called an nvidia shill about twice as often. Maybe I am biased after all then

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: taltamir
actually a bunch of official reviews did test ocing on the G200 and all said it oced well and also got huge performance boost for the OC.

there are a few nvidia partner employees and a few people who in part of the focus group.. and NONE of them are incognito, all of them state it in their signature..

I am really sick of all those "shill shill shill" accusations flying around. I typically get called an nvidia shill AND an AMD shill several times a day, but i noticed I get called an nvidia shill about twice as often. Maybe I am biased after all then

Obviously you aren't going to know a shill if he is incognito, duh.

I can appreciate the fact that there might be such gains by OCing the 260, but with what I have seen lately, if someone posts something like this, they need a little bit more proof than just "b/c I posted this benchmark and/or my experience with this particular card, it is true." I think these type of concerns are legitimate in this type of community b/c people can really damage a company if they say enough negative things about them.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: unr3al
I won't outright say it's a fake, but it really sounds fishy. First off, the framerates sound wrong. Second, I doubt if the GeForce would OC that well. Fact: the 4870 is cheaper than the GTX260 and faster at stock. How can it suddenly be pulverised by the GTX260 after a little overclocking?

Overclocking simply doesn't have such stellar results. Great to keep your aging component up to date by adding a few fps but not what we're seeing here. I have been overclocking since my second PC (I am currently on my fourth; don't go through PCs like they're running out of fasion) and on none of them have I seen such results. The CPU would be the first limiting factor here.

Talking about CPUs, that load temp sounds more than fishy. Aircooling, 3.9GHz, Intel quad core, 65'C max load? Doesn't sound likely.

I don't think the frame rate sounds wrong but that kind of overclock does seem fishy.

That's almost 200mhz overclock on the core. 650mhz I would believe but 750mhz isn't your everyday overclocks on GT200. At least I don't think so.

 

[CreasianDevaili]

I think I myself have a issue with the results because the benchmark results, for say crysis, can be very misleading. The 260gtx might be listed at it's MAX fps and the 4870 at it's average. This is why when you run the benchmarks, even fraps, you at least include the min/avg/max so that people can see the real deal.

Min and average fps is what I always care about. Without those the benchmarks are rather meaningless. Everyone i know that benches that many games to test out their new gpu will save some form of record somewhere either in fraps or a SS.

 

[unr3al]

I still think it sounds fishy... And why hasn't the OP stepped up to the plate and posted some images as proof? I'm not hinting at anything, nor am I calling anyone a shill. But I am stating the obvious.

I always say if you want to make claims, back it up with proof or shut up. CPU overclocks; CPUz verification and some benchmark/stress test screenshot to prove it. GPU overclocks; easiest would be RivaTuner/ATiTool shots and something like 3DMark06 to prove it was actually successful. Without proof, you are going to get accused of being a fake.

Even screenshots could still be fake but I am willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt; IF I feel they sufficiently prove what they say.

 

[nkdesistyle]

Originally posted by: unr3al
I won't outright say it's a fake, but it really sounds fishy. First off, the framerates sound wrong. Second, I doubt if the GeForce would OC that well. Fact: the 4870 is cheaper than the GTX260 and faster at stock. How can it suddenly be pulverised by the GTX260 after a little overclocking?

Overclocking simply doesn't have such stellar results. Great to keep your aging component up to date by adding a few fps but not what we're seeing here. I have been overclocking since my second PC (I am currently on my fourth; don't go through PCs like they're running out of fasion) and on none of them have I seen such results. The CPU would be the first limiting factor here.

Talking about CPUs, that load temp sounds more than fishy. Aircooling, 3.9GHz, Intel quad core, 65'C max load? Doesn't sound likely.

you want screeshots I wiill post them up, I had my final that I have to finish because I am student and that is far more important to me than all the time and I only post in my free time, I can prove myself, have a gtx 260 running at 750/1533/1200, and I will post all kinds of screens for the gtx 260, I did not try to bash the hd 4870 I actually said that they were both equal so why the heck would I fake the results. first question how the heck do I insert an image in this forum, lol, I know it sounds kinda stupid but all the other forums have the button I click on and post a link in the thread.

 

[nkdesistyle]

I can also post the invoice for my hd 4870 if that is going to satisfy you and the invoice for gtx 260, it is easy to call something fake but when I prove it may be you will be satisfied. Sorry that I wasnt able to post images earlier, I have summer school and I work full time, may be that is good enough reason, I really could care less if someone believes me or not.

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click on the second link for the 3dmark screenshot.

here is a screen with atitool running for more than 15 mins, just click on the second link for the image.

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gtx 260 3dmark with 8xAA run under xp, actually higher then under vista that I reported in the first post.

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lost planet benched at 750

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here is me trying to mess with the bios settings on the hd 4870 ofcouse that was the last day I had my e8400, which I returned back for my q9450
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thid probably the first and last time I take the time bench a card that OC'es really well and to see the performance jump it provides, it ends up being fake to some people, it is really sad that someone could easily call it fake, is it my fault that I have a good gtx 260 that overclocks well, I dont think so.

 

[nkdesistyle]

that is highest stable clocks I can get about 10mhz more on shader but anything higher gives me artifacts so I decided to keep it on the safe side. I was getting blue-screens in games after about 15 mins no matter what clocks I was at, and thought it was my oc, but that was not the case, my ram was not stable, lol, I tested small-ffts and it passed fore than 8 hours, and I ran blend and it failed right away so I knew it was ram that was unstable so my northbridge needed more volts and I had to loosen the timings a little to make my oc stable and the blue screens went away, I ran prime-95 blend and it passed without a problem.

 

[nkdesistyle]

Originally posted by: unr3al
Even screenshots could still be fake but I am willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt; IF I feel they sufficiently prove what they say.

I seriously dont know why you are so negative, why the hell would I take the time to lie and make it fake, I am no nvidia rep and no one pays me, I do this on my time and I bench all the time, I used to do reviews for one site but I do not do them anymore so it has become a habit, school and work are too much for me, and when I have free time I bench, and I always try to stay up to date with graphic cards and I try both sides, and I am not a fanboy, although I love nvidia partners where you can actually trade up or step up to a better card, that is the only reason I tend to fall on nvidia's side, I am going to trade up to the 55nm gtx 280 if it comes out before 100 days or I will just step up to the gtx 280 regular if I need it.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Its a shame that alot of people are accusing you of unnecessarily things. I think you put a great amount of effort and time in running those benchies let alone test two cards.

I dont know why so many people are doubting the overclock. Maybe its just me but the GTX260 seems to have alot more OC headroom (~700MHz Core clock on avg) that with enough overclock can rival a stock GTX280 or even surpass it something thats to be considered when buying these cards. Companies like EVGA and XFX cover OCing under their warranties i believe (not 100% sure) so it is one of those factors to consider when buying comes around.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Hmmm was doubtful at first but that is indeed a huge overclock, a fair comparison would be to put it agaisnt a 900+/4500+ 4870 (wasnt there a guy in this forum that had a 4850 clocked at 950 core? he is the one that should be doing it lol)

But since the GTX 260 is so overclockable out of the box, if you dont mind voiding the warranty I guess its the better card

 

[Magusigne]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Hmmm was doubtful at first but that is indeed a huge overclock, a fair comparison would be to put it agaisnt a 900+/4500+ 4870 (wasnt there a guy in this forum that had a 4850 clocked at 950 core? he is the one that should be doing it lol)

But since the GTX 260 is so overclockable out of the box, if you dont mind voiding the warranty I guess its the better card

Whatchoo talkin' about Willis

XFX Covers Overclocking for sure, aftermarket HSF replacement, and through unconfirmed reports volt modding.

Some warranty Info on XFX

 

[Elcs]

The only problem I have with this is that the HD4870 is locked to a max of 790/1100 via CCC. I am sure there is a way around this but it does paint the HD4870 in a slightly unfavourable light as its full potential is unrealised in that respect whereas the GTX260 is.

Once the HD4870's are relieved of this limit then I am sure they will regain more of their edge.

I also express concerns over the 8.7 "leaked beta" Catalysts. My experience with them was very poor and I disagree that they are a more advanced version of the released 8.7 Official Catalysts despite what the version numbers are on the file detail.

My HD4870 with HR-03 GT and AC Turbo Module doesnt break 60C full gaming load at 790/1000 without my cooling being optimised properly so it definately looks like I could have some headroom. My aftermarket heatsink purchase was made to keep temperatures reasonable and keep noise to a minimum as I am a quiet PC lover.

 

[BLaber]

Every one wants to become a member of NVIDIA FOCUS GROUP it seems or may be its just my silly head

 

[TaylorTech]

Originally posted by: Powernick50

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Hmmm was doubtful at first but that is indeed a huge overclock, a fair comparison would be to put it agaisnt a 900+/4500+ 4870 (wasnt there a guy in this forum that had a 4850 clocked at 950 core? he is the one that should be doing it lol)

But since the GTX 260 is so overclockable out of the box, if you dont mind voiding the warranty I guess its the better card

Whatchoo talkin' about Willis

XFX Covers Overclocking for sure, aftermarket HSF replacement, and through unconfirmed reports volt modding.

Some warranty Info on XFX

They are covering volt modding now? Holy hell.

Good to know I can blow up my card and get a new one.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: x2 3600 rules sazakky
i'll offer $240

A dingo ate your radeon. Carry on lad.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Hmmm was doubtful at first but that is indeed a huge overclock, a fair comparison would be to put it agaisnt a 900+/4500+ 4870 (wasnt there a guy in this forum that had a 4850 clocked at 950 core? he is the one that should be doing it lol)

But since the GTX 260 is so overclockable out of the box, if you dont mind voiding the warranty I guess its the better card

This is why I wonder why you and others make comments about "Nvidia cheating their customers" or "treating their customers like crap." NV caters to the enthusiast, there is no doubt about it. They empower their board partners to offer warranty on overclocking by offering quality parts that do historically overclock well and choosing better reference cooling solutions. EVGA has gone as far as to commission Unwinder to make a RT-lite with EVGA Precision to facilitate overclocking.

Anyone can easily overclock an NV product out of the box. Maximum effort involved requires downloading the latest version of RT. With current ATI parts, not only are you capped in CCC, but increasing the limit requires flashing your BIOS, voltmodding, 3rd party cooling, profiles and whatever else, some of which will most certainly void your warranty.

 

[chizow]

The OP is running a Quad at 3.9GHz, which is most likely why his results don't jive with reviews showcasing slower CPUs. VR-Zone's review has a 4GHz CPU and also shows the GTX 260 convincingly beating the 4870, before any overclocking is considered.

To the OP, I'd just post any SS or bench with a 4870 in it to shut the pundits up. You have to realize most of this audience is biased in favor of AMD/ATI and not only find it incredulous for someone to spend more than $300 on a video card, but to purchase two different cards at that price and compare them.

 

[shangshang]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Hmmm was doubtful at first but that is indeed a huge overclock, a fair comparison would be to put it agaisnt a 900+/4500+ 4870 (wasnt there a guy in this forum that had a 4850 clocked at 950 core? he is the one that should be doing it lol)

But since the GTX 260 is so overclockable out of the box, if you dont mind voiding the warranty I guess its the better card

This is why I wonder why you and others make comments about "Nvidia cheating their customers" or "treating their customers like crap." NV caters to the enthusiast, there is no doubt about it. They empower their board partners to offer warranty on overclocking by offering quality parts that do historically overclock well and choosing better reference cooling solutions. EVGA has gone as far as to commission Unwinder to make a RT-lite with EVGA Precision to facilitate overclocking.

Anyone can easily overclock an NV product out of the box. Maximum effort involved requires downloading the latest version of RT. With current ATI parts, not only are you capped in CCC, but increasing the limit requires flashing your BIOS, voltmodding, 3rd party cooling, profiles and whatever else, some of which will most certainly void your warranty.

You got this one right mate! People who rant about NV does not realize that NV products out the box are totally and easily moddable! No Bios flashes, no xml trick, no pencil trick, and god-forbid no soldering trick,,, and best of all, a damn good fan. And for godsake, NV vendors are pratically begging enthusiasts to overclock!