My HOA has gone off the deep end... Apparently I can't let my grill cool down anymore.

[aphex]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
why does aphex's post seem like the OP but nkgreen's post is above his?

Where have you been? http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2286819&enterthread=y

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
HOA's are decidely un-American in concept and practice. They are Proof that Kruschev was right.
HOA...that stands for HOSTAGE Owners Association. With the emphasis on ASS. <rimshot>
There is nothing I love more than HOA bashing.

Seriously, ask for written clarification of policy regarding Cool -Off time, so you can have it when it catches fire due to their unreasonable and unsafe policies.
Pay some paralegal to write it up in Legal-ese to add some "punch".
Take it as seriously as you can, becase#1. Fire Prevention is no laughing matter and #2. INSURANCE costs are borne ( amortized) by everyone, especially within an HOA development.
THAT's their legal hat hook, make it yours as well.

Good luck, I say make their 'Good-Old-Boy' meeting a little more interesting.

Not all HOAs are as unreasonable as aphex's. The only HOA stories you read on the internet are the bad ones.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
OP - how long do you wait to put the cover back on the grill? A couple of hours or do you wait til the next day?

A few hours, unless I cook late at night (8-9pm), then I put it on the next morning.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"Dear HOA. Thank you for pointing out to me that the CC&Rs require all grills to be covered. I was unaware of this requirement. Rest assured that the next time I use my grill, I will very quickly put the cover on so as not to violate the letter of the law. Please let me know to what address and to whom I should send the ruined grill and bill for replacement when doing so melts the cover to the grill due to the high heat generated by fire and retained by metal. If you don't wish to be liable for my property damages, then enforce the spirit of the regulation by allowing me to let the grill cool after use, which is what I was doing on the day in question."

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

 

[krylon]

Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
why does aphex's post seem like the OP but nkgreen's post is above his?

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"Dear HOA. Thank you for pointing out to me that the CC&Rs require all grills to be covered. I was unaware of this requirement. Rest assured that the next time I use my grill, I will very quickly put the cover on so as not to violate the letter of the law. Please let me know to what address and to whom I should send the ruined grill and bill for replacement when doing so melts the cover to the grill due to the high heat generated by fire and retained by metal. If you don't wish to be liable for my property damages, then enforce the spirit of the regulation by allowing me to let the grill cool after use, which is what I was doing on the day in question."

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

I don't think you understand what a grill cover is. Its not the lid, its a protective cover you put over the grill to cover it when its not in use to protect it from the elements.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

cover != lid

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"Dear HOA. Thank you for pointing out to me that the CC&Rs require all grills to be covered. I was unaware of this requirement. Rest assured that the next time I use my grill, I will very quickly put the cover on so as not to violate the letter of the law. Please let me know to what address and to whom I should send the ruined grill and bill for replacement when doing so melts the cover to the grill due to the high heat generated by fire and retained by metal. If you don't wish to be liable for my property damages, then enforce the spirit of the regulation by allowing me to let the grill cool after use, which is what I was doing on the day in question."

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

I don't think you understand what a grill cover is. Its not the lid, its a protective cover you put over the grill to cover it when its not in use to protect it from the elements.

for hanover
http://www.mels-bbq-covers.com...ll%20Cover%20Image.jpg

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"Dear HOA. Thank you for pointing out to me that the CC&Rs require all grills to be covered. I was unaware of this requirement. Rest assured that the next time I use my grill, I will very quickly put the cover on so as not to violate the letter of the law. Please let me know to what address and to whom I should send the ruined grill and bill for replacement when doing so melts the cover to the grill due to the high heat generated by fire and retained by metal. If you don't wish to be liable for my property damages, then enforce the spirit of the regulation by allowing me to let the grill cool after use, which is what I was doing on the day in question."

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

Do you know what a grill cover is?

Also good grills (which you apparently don't have) will stay 500+ degrees for 15 minutes or longer with the elements turned off or the charcoal still barely smoldering. It's the grill cover that will melt if you put the cover on it leaving you with a nice vinyl/pleather coated grill.

I've heard of stupid HOA rules but this takes the cake.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"Dear HOA. Thank you for pointing out to me that the CC&Rs require all grills to be covered. I was unaware of this requirement. Rest assured that the next time I use my grill, I will very quickly put the cover on so as not to violate the letter of the law. Please let me know to what address and to whom I should send the ruined grill and bill for replacement when doing so melts the cover to the grill due to the high heat generated by fire and retained by metal. If you don't wish to be liable for my property damages, then enforce the spirit of the regulation by allowing me to let the grill cool after use, which is what I was doing on the day in question."

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

I don't think you understand what a grill cover is. Its not the lid, its a protective cover you put over the grill to cover it when its not in use to protect it from the elements.

aahh! youre right, i never considered the difference. i dont use a cover at all, so i never even thought of it. of course i live in a 60 yr old house in a non HOA neighborhood.

tell them to fuck off unless they want to buy you new covers after every time you use it. or, use it and burn up a cover every day for a month and submit the repair costs to them for reimbursement, with a legalese letter stating their direct causation, stapled to a copy of the letter they sent you about covering your bbq.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
HOA's are decidely un-American in concept and practice. They are Proof that Kruschev was right.
HOA...that stands for HOSTAGE Owners Association. With the emphasis on ASS. <rimshot>
There is nothing I love more than HOA bashing.

Seriously, ask for written clarification of policy regarding Cool -Off time, so you can have it when it catches fire due to their unreasonable and unsafe policies.
Pay some paralegal to write it up in Legal-ese to add some "punch".
Take it as seriously as you can, becase#1. Fire Prevention is no laughing matter and #2. INSURANCE costs are borne ( amortized) by everyone, especially within an HOA development.
THAT's their legal hat hook, make it yours as well.

Good luck, I say make their 'Good-Old-Boy' meeting a little more interesting.

Not all HOAs are as unreasonable as aphex's. The only HOA stories you read on the internet are the bad ones.

You will need to supply your own proof of that conjecture.
Mine was as bad if not worse. I had no idea what I was getting into.
I recommend that anyone thinking of purchasing in one, hold off and go to a meeting or two to see who the players are.

So I'm at 100% negative for personal experience, and 0% for the polar opposite.

Unless you're playing with "cards" of your own, you're not in the game.

 

[destrekor]

I don't get it. How asinine is an HOA that is even requires grill covers in the first place? How can anyone demand that others use such a thing? How can it impact property values when a grill is in the backyard? A grill cover should be the choice of the homeowner as to whether they want to let their grill rust due to weather or invest in a cover.

I fear HOAs due to all the bad stories on the nets, I hope I can avoid them when I move into my own place.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"Dear HOA. Thank you for pointing out to me that the CC&Rs require all grills to be covered. I was unaware of this requirement. Rest assured that the next time I use my grill, I will very quickly put the cover on so as not to violate the letter of the law. Please let me know to what address and to whom I should send the ruined grill and bill for replacement when doing so melts the cover to the grill due to the high heat generated by fire and retained by metal. If you don't wish to be liable for my property damages, then enforce the spirit of the regulation by allowing me to let the grill cool after use, which is what I was doing on the day in question."

i would send back a reply stating "buy a better grill, it is designed to operate at those temperatures with the lid on, any damage would be due to either faulty craftsmanship or operator error"


srsly, if the grill is in danger of melting with the heat source turned off, it would be even more susceptible to damage while actually on. buy a better grill.

Do you know what a grill cover is?

Also good grills (which you apparently don't have) will stay 500+ degrees for 15 minutes or longer with the elements turned off or the charcoal still barely smoldering. It's the grill cover that will melt if you put the cover on it leaving you with a nice vinyl/pleather coated grill.

I've heard of stupid HOA rules but this takes the cake.

nice stab there. no, i didnt pay 2000 bucks for a stainless steel grill with a refrigerator attached to it like my dad did, but i have a fairly nice cast iron body grill with a large grill surface, which i can use either charcoal or propane (or natural gas if i wanted) as well as turn it into a smoker with a few add ons. the fact that i dont use a cover doesnt make me a grilling idiot, it just makes you the asshole. but i suspect you were an asshole before trying to paint me as a cheap ass know-nothing, so its all good.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: MrChad
Not all HOAs are as unreasonable as aphex's. The only HOA stories you read on the internet are the bad ones.

You will need to supply your own proof of that conjecture.
Mine was as bad if not worse. I had no idea what I was getting into.
I recommend that anyone thinking of purchasing in one, hold off and go to a meeting or two to see who the players are.

So I'm at 100% negative for personal experience, and 0% for the polar opposite.

Unless you're playing with "cards" of your own, you're not in the game.

My experience has been admittedly pretty limited, but I haven't had any bad experiences with our HOA (knock on wood). They generally keep the common areas and pool well-maintained and they send a small newsletter out every month or so.

The fees have gone up a bit in the last two years, but are still relatively low.

HOAs are pretty much unavoidable in my area, but I don't have any real complaints about ours.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: destrekor
I don't get it. How asinine is an HOA that is even requires grill covers in the first place? How can anyone demand that others use such a thing? How can it impact property values when a grill is in the backyard? A grill cover should be the choice of the homeowner as to whether they want to let their grill rust due to weather or invest in a cover.

I fear HOAs due to all the bad stories on the nets, I hope I can avoid them when I move into my own place.

Living in an HOA forfeits your right to choose.

 

[waggy]

hahahah man that sucks.

i could never live in a HOA. stuff like that would just piss me off and i would go on a rampage killing everyone.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: kalrith

Originally posted by: destrekor
I don't get it. How asinine is an HOA that is even requires grill covers in the first place? How can anyone demand that others use such a thing? How can it impact property values when a grill is in the backyard? A grill cover should be the choice of the homeowner as to whether they want to let their grill rust due to weather or invest in a cover.

I fear HOAs due to all the bad stories on the nets, I hope I can avoid them when I move into my own place.

Living in an HOA forfeits your right to choose.

Well I got that much. I was speaking to how asinine of a mandate that is, period. It should be something the homeowner still has a choice over, considering there is no negatives for anyone BUT the homeowner from such a choice. A rusted grill isn't going to explode, cause a fire, or degrade property values.

 

[Fritzo]

You probably got nailed during an audit. Explain what happened to the HOA and tell them to stuff it up their ASS.


Then paint your house purple.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Old people care about one thing and one thing only. Property values.


And maybe screwing young people out of SS and medicare money.

They also like to steal batteries and drive their cars onto sidewalks and into unsuspecting crowds.

 

[badkarma1399]

Originally posted by: sactoking
Write them a letter:

"fuck off"

fixed.

 

[Exterous]

Not all HOAs are bad. My parents is very bad , mine isn't - but I also had my realestate agent get me a copy of the HOA agreement well before we signed on the home so I could go over it with a fine tooth comb

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Seriously, ask for written clarification of policy regarding Cool -Off time, so you can have it when it catches fire due to their unreasonable and unsafe policies.

This is very good advice. For added value - once you get an answer go to your local fire department and ask what they recommend. Compare the two and see where that gets you

 

[Shawn]

My parents got a fine once for leaving the garage door open for too long.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: TangoJuliet
My HOA recently banned all grills except electric. People got really pissed but nothing we can do about it. Wish I made more money so I could move.....but that will come with time. I just go to my parents house to grill

Most HOA issues are set by vote, if you don't get involved you rely on other's voting.

 

[bobdole369]

At least they didn't call the fire department. I was grilling exactly 10 feet from the back door and the FD showed up. Apparently some asshat decided I could use some of my own medicine ( I routinely call FD on others who barbecue on screened in patios/balconies).

Unluckily for the asshat I was following the fire code to the letter (with a fire extinguisher standing by).

 

[mrCide]

Where are you living these days aphex? I recall you were either around Coral Springs or Plantation or something (it's been awhile). I bought a home in Hampton Hills (NW corner of PI and Commercial) and the HoA has been pretty decent, I don't know if I'd be able to put up with that sort of nonsense.