My Hobbit review (Spoilers)

Geosurface

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Saw a midnight show last night at 24fps 2D (my preferred format, not a fan of gimmickry.)

LOTR films served 2 masters. Let's call them Movie Master and Film Master. Movie master demands popcorn fun, crazy FX, lots of action, stupid humor for the kids, bombastic over the top physics scenes. Film Master demands good dialogue, pacing, letting us have a little time to get to see the scenery and know the world... emotional moments like Gandalf talking to Frodo in Moria about "the time that is given to us." Film Master insists you take your time, develop your characters, get your audience invested in them and awe them with grand, impressive shots.

In LOTR films, I felt like Movie Master and Film Master were evenly matched. Both were certainly represented (Legolas shield-surfing, some Gimli and Pippin humor which may have been a bit over the top, staircase falling apart in Moria, Legolas trunk-surfing etc...) Film Master felt like he was at least holding his own, and perhaps even dominating Movie Master. Film Master gave us things like the ominous ride of Gandalf toward Minas Tirith... the slow build up of dread in Moria, taking the time to do grand, sweeping shots showing us the grandeur of this old abandoned kingdom... stopping to foreshadow Gollum, beautiful moments like Gandalf riding out and scaring off the Nazgul with his sunlight from his staff. Etc.

In The Hobbit, I felt like Movie Master put a plastic bag over Film Master's head, dragged him out into the alley, beat him within an inch of his life, and left him gasping for air.

This film was so relentless. It felt like LOTR's 13 year old son after he just chugged 4 Red Bulls.

I love video games, but this felt like a video game and not in a good way. There was no credible threat or peril... when you watched the company flee Goblin Town, you were watching a physics SFX demo reel. They'd keep falling, doing impossible thing after impossible thing... no matter how many Goblins swarmed them, they never felt threatening. It was just a CGI overload fest. Frankly I'm surprised I didn't find myself instinctively doing XBox controller motions with my hands as I watched scenes like Radaghast's Rabid Rabbit Ride.

I can't help but suspect that the (horrible) decision to do 3D here infected the entire process.

I think once you choose to do 3D, it taints your every decision. Every time you set up a shot, you're thinking about when you do something with 3D in it... what's going to be popping out of the screen at the audience? Will it be a blade this time, or a warg mouth again? Considerations like atmosphere, character, etc are going to take a back seat.

Martin Freeman was a fantastic choice for Bilbo. Too bad he wasn't given a similarly good Hobbit film to be Bilbo in.

As the New York Times review said, at least I think it was them, Freeman's quirky, real persona should've been given a chance to set the tone of the film. Instead, PJ was like "Hop in the back seat and buckle up, Martin... CGI is at the wheel, and he just did a line of coke."

CGI in the LOTR films was used in conjunction with physical fx, and more traditional fx of all types to a much more healthily balanced degree. CGI was mostly used when no other fx tech would do the trick. You need flying Nazgul or a kraken in the water? A Balrog? CGI is your man. But in LOTR, let's look at the Two Towers Warg Rider scene for instance.

Plenty of CGI in that scene, but they'd keep coming back to real actors in prosthetics as orcs, atop metal frames covered with real animal fur. This kept bringing it back to reality. Kept re-grounding it if you will. CGI was used for shots that couldn't be done otherwise.

In this film, CGI is used for almost everything. Just about every orc is 100% CGI, every warg is 100% of the time. One orc who was an actor in prosthetic (killed for losing the dwarves) still looked awful because the make-up wasn't as good as LOTR and they seemed to overlay a layer of CGI onto him anyway.

They did everything in CGI so they could do more crap with 3D. Therefore, 3D helped ruin this film.

Let's compare Lurtz, the orc who killed Boromir (Sean Bean) to Azog, the pale orc.

Azog is 100% CGI at all times. And at no time was I ever unaware of this. Somehow, 2012 CGI looks worse than 2002 CGI in many ways. Not entirely... I mean, clearly it has more polygons... the movement is more fluid... but in no way, shape, or form is it ever believable as something real.

When you see Lurtz in slow-mo knocking another arrow to fire at Boromir, and he has that animalistic face, that growl... and it's a real actor in prosthetic and make-up... Lurtz may have been an invented and somewhat silly character, but he was a credible, believable threat as he killed Boromir and as he fought Aragorn.

Here? Azog feels like a video game boss because he's so obviously CGI, he's never grounded back to reality at all...

This film had only 2 speeds. 100 mph, or slow motion.

Like I said... LOTR's 13 year old son after he just chugged 4 Red Bulls.
 

WT

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This review, altho very well done, makes me sad. I should have known better than to expect LoTR quality when it had nowhere to go but down from the first films.



I will still see it, but I will be nodding my head and saying 'Ehhh, Geo was right .... '
 

Dumac

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I've also heard some bad things about the movie, but I was expecting as much ever since I heard they were splitting it into 3 films.
 

Red Storm

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Is it just me or was that pale orc and several other things just straight made up from no where? I do not remember any of that shit from the book...
 

Geosurface

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This review, altho very well done, makes me sad. I should have known better than to expect LoTR quality when it had nowhere to go but down from the first films.



I will still see it, but I will be nodding my head and saying 'Ehhh, Geo was right .... '

I'm seeing it again tonight with my gf (this was prearranged, she wasn't up for a midnight showing)

I'm HOPING I like it much more the second go around.

In fairness, FOTR felt a little weird to me the first time and I ended up loving it.

But... not like this. Not like this.

 

Pulsar

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I've also heard some bad things about the movie, but I was expecting as much ever since I heard they were splitting it into 3 films.

Wait. WHUT? Seriously?

They made LOTR in 3 movies, and now are milking the hobbit for another 3?

Holy crap.
 

Red Storm

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Wait. WHUT? Seriously?

They made LOTR in 3 movies, and now are milking the hobbit for another 3?

Holy crap.

It really doesn't make sense. When I heard they were going from two movies to three I thought "Okay, maybe he's cutting down on the length of each movie to bring it more in line with typical movie lengths" but nope.
 

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Is it just me or was that pale orc and several other things just straight made up from no where? I do not remember any of that shit from the book...


azog wasn't made up from no where, he ruled moria for a long time, the dwarves did try to kick him out, in the ensuing battle he was killed by the dwarves (not thorin) but the dwarves retreated upon catching a glimpse of durin's bane
 

FallenHero

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Wait. WHUT? Seriously?

They made LOTR in 3 movies, and now are milking the hobbit for another 3?

Holy crap.

Yeah I didn't realize this as I kept away from all Hobbit news as to not spoil anything for myself (I've read the book, so I know the storyline, but the bias coming from people I avoid at all costs.) I found this out AFTER i got home last night because the ending wasn't even present. I can KINDA see 2 films, with the way everything was presented, but THREE? Good lord...3rd film is going to be Bilbo walking back...2 hours of hobbit walking.
 

Geosurface

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Agreed, 1 film could work. 2 films could make sense... 3 films is overbloated, excessive, unnecessary. 3 films made perfect sense for LOTR. For Hobbit? not at all. Especially if all 3 are like this.
 

Pulsar

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Yeah I didn't realize this as I kept away from all Hobbit news as to not spoil anything for myself (I've read the book, so I know the storyline, but the bias coming from people I avoid at all costs.) I found this out AFTER i got home last night because the ending wasn't even present. I can KINDA see 2 films, with the way everything was presented, but THREE? Good lord...3rd film is going to be Bilbo walking back...2 hours of hobbit walking.

I just reread the hobbit. There is not 3 movies worth of content. No where near. So let me guess - movie 1 ends with their capture by the goblins. Movie 2 ends with their capture by the elves. Movie three ends with the final battle.

So formulaic.
 

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Out of curiosity, are there any reviews out there by someone who saw it in both 2D and 3D? Most of the reviews seem to be complaining about the 3D/48 fps, and I'm wondering if this would be a better film if shown in "normal" 2D, or if it's been designed for 3D to the point where it's silly to see it any other way.
 

Red Storm

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I saw it in 2D because my cousin does not like 3D at all. I did notice several parts that felt like they were "supposed" to be seen in 3D, and that irked me. I will be seeing it again in 3D/HFR this weekend.
 

Geosurface

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Out of curiosity, are there any reviews out there by someone who saw it in both 2D and 3D? Most of the reviews seem to be complaining about the 3D/48 fps, and I'm wondering if this would be a better film if shown in "normal" 2D, or if it's been designed for 3D to the point where it's silly to see it any other way.

I saw it in 2D and it still had massive issues.

I can only imagine 3D and 48fps would've made me even more pissed.
 

Geosurface

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dQ5c5SIYnc

I'm just hoping they used the right soundtrack for it.

Love that cartoon, love that song.

haha

I intend to eventually try to use digital copies of all 3 Hobbit extended editions to cut together a "shot for shot" remake of the cartoon, to the best of my ability. Hopefully resulting in a nice, fast way to see the Hobbit.

This 3 film shit is bloated beyond belief for this story.

Speaking of soundtrack, the music over the credits was HORRIBLE
 

purbeast0

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since the OP had to make his own thread for his review, instead of using one of the hobbit threads already created, i came into this thread knowing 100% that it would be a negative review of the movie.

i was not disappointed.
 

Geosurface

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Damn them. Fellowship was the best of the three, cause it was more clever story. I had hoped that these new movies would follow that path.

FOTR was my favorite as well.

I hope you end up disagreeing with me on Hobbit, for your sake.

And I hope if I've lowered your expectations, that that helps...

but I fear in the end, you'll probably end up agreeing with me
 

FallenHero

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I just reread the hobbit. There is not 3 movies worth of content. No where near. So let me guess - movie 1 ends with their capture by the goblins. Movie 2 ends with their capture by the elves. Movie three ends with the final battle.

So formulaic.

With the way things progressed, the second movie SHOULD end with the battle of five armies. I can't imagine how drawn out the second movie is going to be if it only ends with them killing the dragon.
 

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read the appendix of LOTR's ?

Yeah you could add that stuff in and beef the story up, but you can't fold it in to the current dramatic narrative. It's all history and background and would need to be handled in flashbacks and asides, i.e. exposition, i.e. boring for the most part.

I mean, really, there's no plausible logic by which you could independently survey the story told in the LoTR trilogy, and come to the conclusion that it requires twelve hours of film to tell, then survey the much simpler and more childlike "The Hobbit" and come to the same conclusion. Three films? No way.
 

brandonb

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In The Hobbit, I felt like Movie Master put a plastic bag over Film Master's head, dragged him out into the alley, beat him within an inch of his life, and left him gasping for air.

This film was so relentless. It felt like LOTR's 13 year old son after he just chugged 4 Red Bulls.

This is all I had to read. I was thinking about watching it this weekend. I only like Film Master type movies where they have atmosphere and character.

(generally speaking) I couldn't care less with how many explosions or CGI motorcycle flips someone does during the movie.

Derp! I'll spend my dollars elsewhere.
 

Geosurface

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65 on Rotten Tomatoes currently. Ouch. LOTR are 92, 94, and 96

From New York Times review:

Mr. Jackson has embraced what might be called theme-park-ride cinema, the default style of commercially anxious, creatively impoverished 3-D moviemaking. The action sequences are exercises in empty, hectic kineticism, with very little sense of peril or surprise. Characters go hurtling down chutes and crumbling mountainsides or else exert themselves in chaotic battles with masses of roaring, rampaging pixels.

/agree
 
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