My Hobbit review (Spoilers)

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I worded that too vaguely to express my point.I still believe in sequels. So what i really mean is close the story out, begging to the end, but leave it open for interruption enough for a sequel. This movie too me didn't have the three course meal I'm usually use to seeing in a movie. It felt like an introduction of many different elements to which I knew very little about by the end. If I read the books, I would of appreciated it more or followed more closely to the series. It's definitely not a movie for introductory audiences.

I get what you're saying. That is how the book was. The book really isn't better as far as the awkward exposure to everything, which is why I think many of my complaints of things that seemed out of place were actually in the book and they just stayed true to it even though it could've used some smoothing.

The thing to keep in mind is, or at least with the book, is its how Bilbo saw it with some being filled in by what the dwarves and Gandalf tell him. It gives it a different "view" and I don't think the movie capture that well at all.

They actually I think maybe went a little too far in showing the dwarves history as they were a bit more mysterious in the book and it highlighted Bilbo being an outsider more. Its one reason I hated the end of this one. Bilbo is really out of place the whole time and while him and the dwarves gain an affinity for each other he never fits in with them, but they had all the cheesy stuff at the end that was too early.

Also, and maybe he was in the books, but they didn't do a good job with Gandalf. He's a bumbling doofus who turns into a badass at key moments (feels really contrived). Also, he was constantly coming and going from the group but that didn't come across as much in the film. Maybe it will soon. It actually becomes a point of contention and Bilbo is forced to develop, which again, I think they screwed up with the end of this film.

I thought it was because the Valar themselves didn't want to get involved (and the eagles are allied with Manwe). Something to do with the destruction caused by the War of Wrath and they didn't think Middle Earth could handle destruction like that again.

Its been forever since I've read the books and I didn't read all the stuff beyond the LotR and Hobbit (I read some of the Silmarillion but its been forever so I don't trust my knowledge). Hmm, after doing a little bit of looking up, apparently it actually really wasn't explained in the books. I could have sworn that it was. Hmm.

I really could have swore that the Eagles go for them in the trees because Gandalf had helped pull a stick or something from one of the eagle's feathers.

Saw it tonight and didn't really care for it. Saw it in 2d because it seems like too long of a movie to see in 3d. Plus I hate that high frame rate interpolation crap.

It was okay but didn't have the same epic feeling as the LOTR movies had. I think the biggest issue for me was a lack of sense of scale. In the LOTR series I actually felt the tremendous distances they traveled. In this one everything seemed like it was happening right down the road for some reason. There's also no drama when you know many of the characters you see can't die because you know they were in the later stories. I was also kind of surprised at how little character development there was despite the length of the movie. I can't name most of the dwarves and didn't really care what happened to them. The other movies stood well without the books, but this one doesn't seem to stand up as well. I felt lost by not reading the books where I never did during the last movies.

The character development stuff is glaring, but its because this is really Bilbo's story from his viewpoint. He's the one that experiences most of the development, but they really didn't do a good job of translating that to the movie. I think that was intentional as it would make showing all the other stuff tougher, and they did some to try and give the dwarves some extra development but I don't feel like that actually improved things.

Its not interpolation, its actually shot at higher framerates. It should be better. I hate the interpolated stuff too, but I think native higher framerate should be better.

I agree with the person that said the 2D might actually be an afterthought. It seemed lacking to me, although I know plenty of that was the crappy local theater I saw it at. I'm wanting to see it in 3D and see if that helps. It did seem dull, like they applied a smoothing filter. I think they did that to maintain a coherent look throughout, even when they had heavy CGI stuff. It definitely lacked the visual wow that LotR offered at various times.
 

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Saw it yesterday in normal "2D". I think I was being punished for chosing that format. So many sweeping landscapes were a blurred, jerky mess. Half the movie felt out of focus. Too many "up close" action shots that were a blurry whirlwind of muddy colors.

A definite step back in quality from the LoTR original trilogy. A very forgettable movie overall.
 

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Saw it yesterday in normal "2D". I think I was being punished for chosing that format. So many sweeping landscapes were a blurred, jerky mess. Half the movie felt out of focus. Too many "up close" action shots that were a blurry whirlwind of muddy colors.

A definite step back in quality from the LoTR original trilogy. A very forgettable movie overall.

As I said, 2D was an afterthought.
 

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I was just looking at the best/worst movies of 2012 on cnn.com and this idiot listed The Hobbit as the worst movie of 2012. Really? This guy must not see many movies.
 

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I question what the eventual Blu Ray transfer of this will be like. Better/worse/same? If it's the same then it's a definite "no-buy" for me.
 
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I question what the eventual Blu Ray transfer of this will be like. Better/worse/same? If it's the same then it's a definite "no-buy" for me.

It'll be a mess, even more than Avatar was probably (since the only real issue there was the 3D transfer). Plus, Jackson already established that he'd consider making stupid decisions with regards to transfers with the EE LotR Blu-Rays.
 

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I get the impression that people want to hate the movie because that's what they think is expected of them.

I waited until two days ago to see it because I wasn't as excited about the movie and it's been sold out here since release. Even now I still had to buy the tickets in advance and still got half way shitty seats.

Saw it in 3D HFR even though I really hate 3D. I swore I'd never see another one. Friend's recommend I give this a shot though.

My thoughts? The 3D is awesome. No headache. No terrible color. No blurriness. Huge step up. Definitely see it in 3D.

My only two real gripes with the movie was the
bunny sled scene
which was straight up stupid and that I kept thinking about where in the world it was going to end. I never looked at my watch so I never had a sense of how long I'd been in the theater so it was weird sitting there and thinking that the movie must end after "this" scene since there's no way to make it into 3 movies otherwise. It kept going though. The Hobbit is the only book I've read in one sitting so I was slightly shocked at them making it into 3 movies and even now I'm still not sure how they're going to do it. I recall it originally being a 2 movie deal and somehow getting turned into 3 but I guess time will tell.

I'm going to have to re-read the book though since I could have sworn a few things were changed and that was confusing me a bit. Did the cartoon match the book?
 

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Excellent review OP. You summed it up perfectly, all eye candy, no substance. The deus ex machina was way overdone here. Silly.
 

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Saw this last night. The HFR + 3D felt too fast in the beginning but I got used to it. The 3D effect itself was actually OK, I never got that eye strain pain that was common with some of the other 3D movies out there. However the CGI in this movie looked awful. Near the end of the movie with the wood from the goblin hole in the mountain was terrible truly TV quality effect. I wondered whether that is the impact of 3D or more like HFR.

I also noticed some of the facial expressions were just off, ie the acting felt off. I wonder if that is missing microexpressions that I now can tell are missing because the frame rate allows it.

Either way I felt the acting was off, the action scenes lacked impact, the sword swings felt wrong often and the CGI in many places (as well as other effects like lighting) were often bad. I can't explain why the movie looked so bad other than to ascribe it to HFR. Either way I thought the movies technical side and acting was pretty bad overall.
 

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I was invited to see it at IMAX with some friends so I went. I fell asleep at the beginning a little but only because I had 3 hours of sleep that day. :\
 

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Just saw it for the first time in HFR 3D.

3D Review:

48FPS to me looks like a combination of PAL (25fps European television framerate) and the slowest fast-forward setting on a VCR. So basically like sped-up PAL without the ghosting. Or for a better comparison, it looks like that horrible "Smooth Motion" effect on the new 120/240hz televisions that does the soap-opera look and makes everything look like an episode of COPS, or like it was filmed on a home video camera. Only sped up a little, so it looks even worse.

Like BrightCandle said above, I felt like it was too fast in the beginning (probably the first 10 minutes, it was REALLY distracting), but then got used to it (mostly). HFR was the worst when the camera was moving. On static tripod shots, it actually looked really good. Lots of depth to the 3D, and I didn't forget that it was in 3D like I did when watching Avatar - it always added to the 3D effect in a nice way, instead of becoming invisible as you watched the movie.

Two of the biggest benefits I noticed of HFR was the brightness and focus. I never thought 24FPS 3D was dim, but the brightness is on-par with regular 2D movies in HFR, so that was really nice - everything was really clear. Also your eyes don't have to focus-hunt like they do in standard 3D movies - the focus is crystal-clear, you know exactly where to look. You don't get that slightly smeary blurriness that you get in 24FPS 3D, which was really nice.

I also found that I didn't get any 3D fatigue because I wasn't focus-hunting on a slightly blurry picture - I wear normal glasses under the 3D glasses and this felt like watching a 2D movie, no problems there. So no eyestrain, and definitely no "Hobbit Vomit". My wife, who is fairly sensitive to 3D movies and gets slightly queasy, had zero problems with HFR 3D. So they nailed that.

I think HFR 3D is a step in the right direction, but they still need to work out the bugs. They improved clarity, fatigue, and brightness, but it makes the movie look kinda terrible and distracting. I totally agree again with BrightCandle - I think the 48FPS 3D threw off the acting. I know that Martin Freeman (Bilbo, and Watson!) and Ian McKellen are good actors, but there was something lacking about their performance (and all the rest of the characters), and it might be the missing microexpressions or something.

We are trained to equate the ghostly 24fps with film, and despite its problems, I sure love 24fps. I had a hard time really getting immersed in the movie because it didn't look like a movie due to the framerate. I also felt like a lot of the action scenes lacked impact, and I don't know if that was due to the directing or due to the HFR 3D. I also don't know if the movie had a lame soundscape or if my theater had cruddy speakers, but the music didn't sound as huge & immersive as LOTR - I felt that was very lacking, but it could just be crappy movie theater speakers.


Movie Review:

Pros:

I thought the movie was a lot of fun. I liked the pacing - I could have sat through another 30 minutes or even another hour, whereas with LOTR, I wanted an intermission in the middle. Their focus on the story kept things moving. I liked that it was more lighthearted than LOTR (a bit more fun & not quite as "serious" the whole time). The 3D characters are getting really realistic - Smaug's eye was really cool at the end, and the goblin king was pretty crazy (really wish Gandalf had chopped off that monsterous goiter double-chin, haha). And the fighting scenes weren't endless tireless action fighting - they were a good length without being overly long, and they threw in some interesting stuff to break up the monotony (like the ladder bit during the goblin attack).

Cons:

Because the focus was on the story, I felt like a lot of character development got left on by the wayside. I was really interested to get to know the dwarf troop better. Hopefully we can learn more about them in the next couple of episodes. I honestly wish we had had another hour for impact & character development. I was already on Bilbo's side and I eventually jumped onboard with Thorin, but I wanted to root more for the dwarf troop, and I think getting to know their characters better would have helped with that (like in "Castaway" with Tom Hanks - I nearly cried when Wilson the volleyball sailed away, haha). Because the story felt kind of like it was on a timed track (not a bad thing, because LOTR often feels TOO long), I felt like some of the scenes weren't as impactful as they could have been, and could have used more time for the audience to dig into them.

For example, I think they did a good job in Bilbo's first interaction with Gollum - you really got a chance to meet Gollum as a "new" character, see where he came from at that point in the story, see why Bilbo chose not to kill him when he had the chance, etc. (although maybe a tad too long in this case, lol). In LOTR, I liked the side-story of Merry & Pippin. I would have liked to see more of Fili & Kili, for example, and some of the other interesting-looking dwarfs in the troop.

As GeoSurface said in the OP, shooting in 3D affects your filmmaking decisions. I think that the Hobbit would have been even better shot as a 2D film because they might have had the time & budget for other stuff. Some things felt left out or missing - some of the makeup didn't seem quite right, like they ran out of time to do a really stellar job, and the acting & impact seemed off (although that was probably a result of the HFS 3D), etc. I don't know how much 3D really added to the film, aside from pioneering 48FPS 3D. I think it's a step in the right direction technology-wise (improvements in brightness, focus, etc.), but I don't know if this was the right film to do that in. I would like to see it again in 2D to see how that compares - my wife said it was much more natural & film-like in 2D (the first time she saw it) and she liked it more that way. A lot of people who saw it in 24FPS 3D said the panning was really horrible, like you were on a rollercoaster or something, and that it was stuttery.


Summary:

Fun show, I enjoyed it. Felt like it could have been more impactful story-wise and would have liked to have seen more side-character development, but it was a well-told story that left me wanting to see the next one. Not impressed by HFR 3D; given the choice of 3D, I would see it in standard 24FPS 3D. Given the choice out of all 3, I would have seen it in 2D (unlike Avatar, which I think benefited from the 3D). I chose not to see it in IMAX 3D because we have one of those fake IMAX theaters and our Real 3D DLP theater is way better and almost as big.

Side note: Still wondering why they didn't take the eagles to the mountain in the first place, especially since there weren't any of the mini-dragons from LOTR flying around to stop them...
 

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My only two real gripes with the movie was the
bunny sled scene
which was straight up stupid and that I kept thinking about where in the world it was going to end.

I got the strong sense that the bunny scene was going to be a cut-and-paste into a 3D ride for kids at some amusement park. They didn't whip the camera around like that anywhere else in the movie, or use the "3D-in-your-face" effect so much as in that particular scene. I liked the woods wizard character and thought the bunny-sled fit him, but the way they did it definitely felt out-of-place.
 

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Excellent review OP. You summed it up perfectly, all eye candy, no substance. The deus ex machina was way overdone here. Silly.

Hah, I thought about deus ex machina during the movie...in every tight scene you start waiting for Gandalf to show up and magically save the day. I think this is part of what made a lot of the scenes lack impact - you never felt like the characters were in any real danger because Gandalf could show up at any point and easily save them. So you're not really holding your breath in suspense because you start to figure out what's coming. It reminded me of the later seasons of House - oh no, the episode character is going to die! Almost dead! Oh wait, Dr. House figured it out in the nick of time, whew! Oh wait, we were expecting that, no real suspense! Hehe.
 

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Yeah they did a piss poor job of explaining this stuff in the movies. The eagles don't like to meddle in this stuff. They owed Gandalf as he helped one of them at some point which is why they rescue them from the trees. The book gives a lot more details. Same with them in the LotR, if I remember right they refused to get involved.

Ah, I think you put your finger on - there wasn't enough backstory for good character development & plot explanation. The glaring thought in my head at the end was, "Why didn't they just take the eagles the whole way?" (I haven't read the Hobbit since 7th grade, didn't remember anything about them...) In LOTR it makes sense, because the mini-dragons with the knight-riders on them would have given them flack.

I also thought it was weird that the eagles dropped them off on the top of a huge rock - "how do we get down from here?" :biggrin:
 

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I thought Slenderman did a great job as Sauron, btw
 

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my wife said animals died while making the movie, she won't see it which means i'm not allowed as well apparently. just as well, trailer looked like crap and sounds like it's crap. Though i didn't care for LOTR's much, part 2 wasn't bad but part 3 looked so heavily edited and rushed, one thing to the next without seemingly finished...maybe the directors cut is more polished.
honestly i'd rather see something else similar done on the scale of LOTR movies without all the hobbit crying and whatnots. just not a fan of it's storyline so likely would hate Hobbit even moreso.

Speaking of dead animals, I lol'd when the dwarves found out the elves were vegan. "I don't eat green foods"
 

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I'm no filmmaker, but I can't think of a way to get all that backstory in without a lot of exposition (characters talking to one and other), or narrated flashbacks like the one that opened TLotR. Frankly, too much of that would really bloat and slow a film, and in fact Tolkien didn't spend tons of time on it in the main narrative of any of his books. It gets in the way of telling a good story, and properly belongs in appendices or expansions that fans can seek out if they want to know more.

Well, I liked the flashback of how Smaug came and took over the Lonely Mountain and kicked the dwarves out. I think one of the things that was missing is the quick side-story excursions like Merry & Pippin have. They should have at least done that for Fili & Kili, so that you can care about the characters more. As it is, I like the dwarf troop, but I'm not really attached to any of them.

Unrelated, I also liked the slow-motion with HFR. Not a ton, but because it was like, more-sped-up-slow-motion, it was kind of cool to watch, especially in the battle scenes. You got to see more details due to the slow speed, without it dragging on like a lot of slow-speed scenes tend to do. Sort of like how the time-ramping effect in the 300 is good.
 

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Martin Freeman is great.
Thorin is well done.

Couldn't agree more :thumbsup:

I really like Martin Freeman as Watson in the British "Sherlock" TV show, and thought he did a great job & fit really well as Bilbo. The little mannerisms and shy nature of the hobbits fits his acting style perfectly. I also thought Thorin was great, very good casting, great "leadership"-style voice.

I also really liked the dwarf song they sang. Bonus: 25-minute Youtube edit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tOo2OMUhB8 :awe:
 

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Did anyone else think "Scrooge McDuck" when they saw Smaug chillin' in the gold pile? hahaha
 

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Did anyone else think "Scrooge McDuck" when they saw Smaug chillin' in the gold pile? hahaha

Haha I actually did!!

Yeah. I was disappointed with the movie. I had high hopes, because I'm a huge fan of LOTR and Tolkien. But oh well, not the end of the world. All this movie made me want to do was to re-watch LOTR, so at least that isn't ruined for me.
 

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First post in here to state that, having seen the movie yesterday, I really enjoyed it. It stays mostly true to the books. As far as the character development part goes, aside from a couple of the dwarves, you never really get to know them well. It's more like they are characterized as a group and Thorin and a couple others get a little extra attention. I also like the exposition into the Necromancer and the meeting of Gandalf, Sauruman, Elrond, and Galadriel. None of that is talked about in the book, but it's going on and helps flesh out the "prequel" to LOTR and the events that are about to transpire.

Hah, I thought about deus ex machina during the movie...in every tight scene you start waiting for Gandalf to show up and magically save the day. I think this is part of what made a lot of the scenes lack impact - you never felt like the characters were in any real danger because Gandalf could show up at any point and easily save them. So you're not really holding your breath in suspense because you start to figure out what's coming. It reminded me of the later seasons of House - oh no, the episode character is going to die! Almost dead! Oh wait, Dr. House figured it out in the nick of time, whew! Oh wait, we were expecting that, no real suspense! Hehe.

Attribute it to The Hobbit being written as a children's tale where the LOTR was more adult in nature. And in both, you're dealing with a fantasy setting where magic is going to be used to settle some bad situations. Going forward though,
Gandalf is about to disappear for a long time and the party will get in a few messes that he doesn't just save their ass from with magic.
Assuming they don't stray from the story in the book.

Well, I liked the flashback of how Smaug came and took over the Lonely Mountain and kicked the dwarves out. I think one of the things that was missing is the quick side-story excursions like Merry & Pippin have. They should have at least done that for Fili & Kili, so that you can care about the characters more. As it is, I like the dwarf troop, but I'm not really attached to any of them.

I think it would have been cool if they had included the flashback during the song. That's what they did in the 70s cartoon version of The Hobbit where the song is taken from (the tune, obviously the lyrics are from the book). I was also excited when I first heard it in the previews. It's so haunting and evokes some nostalgia going back to the cartoon that I haven't watched in years.
 
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