My impressions owning both the FX8350 and now the 3770k.

[guskline]

Upgraded the 3770k rig to Windows 8 this morning and will run a batch of Benchies over the weekend. It will be the 3770k at 4.4Ghz vs the FX 8350 at 4.6Ghz. To save me the aggravation of swapping out cards, I'll take one of the 2 670s in SLI and replace the GTX680 with it. Both machines will have the same amount and type of ram, exact same video card and same OS. The 3770k rig has an Intel 520-120g ssd for the operating system while the FX 8350 has a Intel X-25m 80g ssd for the OS.

I'm open to all suggestions for a list of benchmarks to run.

 

[Vesku]

Having a 1090T x6 I'm holding out for Steamroller assuming it's compatible with my AM3+ motherboard. At most I'd see a 10-15% bump going with a moderately OCed FX 6300. Buying new the FX 6300 is in an interesting spot competing with i3. The FX 8320 or 8350 would be a bigger jump but this x6 is good enough atm plus I'm not really liking the power draw on the 8300s when OCed to 4.4+ GHz.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Having a 1090T x6 I'm holding out for Steamroller assuming it's compatible with my AM3+ motherboard. At most I'd see a 10-15% bump going with a moderately OCed FX 6300. Buying new the FX 6300 is in an interesting spot competing with i3. The FX 8320 or 8350 would be a bigger jump but this x6 is good enough atm plus I'm not really liking the power draw on the 8300s when OCed to 4.4+ GHz.

I wish I had an AM3+ board, then I'd have options. But I really can't complain, I bought my motherboard in March of 2008 and it is still going strong... and I haven't exactly been nice to it. The only time it has seen the PhI/PhII's stock power draw is when I installed OS the first time.

 

[guskline]

I'm beginning to run benchmarks for the 3770k@4.4Ghz and the 8350@4.6Ghz

First Cinebench 11.5
OpenGL 3770k 63.20fps 8350 59.13fps
CPU 8.90pts 7.92pts

Aida64 Version 2.80 Benchmarks. I'll list the 3770k first then the 8350

Mem Read 21056/15212
Write 22163/11464
Copy 23644/19361
Latency 37.6ns/49.2ns

CPU Queen 55628/41034
Photoworx 16168/12553
Zlib 361.8/375
AES 17193/19761
Hash 3562/4704
FPU VP8 7122/5414
Julia 23217/15423
Mandel 12306/7877
SinJulia 5928/3210

I'll keep running Benchmarks over the week end as I get time. I'm open to all suggestions.

 

[Phynaz]

Awesome, thanks Gus.

I'd be interested in Winrar and if you are up for it some video encodes using Video Mastering Works. http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5.html

 

[grimpr]

Try running http://clbenchmark.com/ on the chips. Also maxwell render benchmark @ http://support.nextlimit.com/display/maxwelldocs/Benchwell+Test

 

[guskline]

Awesome, thanks Gus.

I'd be interested in Winrar and if you are up for it some video encodes using Video Mastering Works. http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tvmw5.html

Phynaz:

WinRAR benchmarks
3770k=10,773
8350=8,951

 

[grimpr]

7zip 9.30 LZMA2 on 8-10 threads would be nicer than Winrar, makes full use of the cores. Cyberlinks PowerDirector 11 encoding a video to Ipad would be useful too.

 

[jaqie]

please let it be known that I always have and always will continue to buy whatever is the best TCO (total cost of ownership) for my budget at the time, and have been buying NEW pc parts and building my own since my first, a 486-133 and used since 8088. I have a thuban x6 overclocked as my primary gamer, but my previous machine was a q6600@3GHz, and I would not have upgraded from that had I not needed sata 3 and more than pcie 1.0 x1 slots. Also that I just found a core 2 quad 3ghz and am building my ultimate core 2 box, because I miss it and totally loved it.

With that said, and with me being a disabled X computer tech and computer hardware enthusiast; having messed with far newer equipment than I myself own, I must say that for the money the amd fx series is still the best performance even with the niggles like slower sata 3 performance on the integrated controller. When you compare dollar for dollar on cleverly parted together systems, amd is just so much faster per dollar of TCO than intel... but once you go beyond that, AMD has nothin' and the i7 are just mopping the floor with anyone that tries to claim competing speeds.

For budget performance, AMD has the best in terms of TCO when you intelligently build systems... beyond that, Intel is all that's out there and they have insanely fast stuff. I recommend whatever is the best TCO within your budget at the time... and always have, since the days of the 386 onward.

And honestly, I get so sick of people either accusing me seriously of being a fangirl of one or the other, or try to tell me that my decision is based on shallow things instead of a deep amount of research into the TCO and customer needs at that budget. I can be wrong, sure, and when it's shown to me I accept it, learn, and move on thankful for the increased knowledge... but almost all the time it's just joe blow arguing with the ASE certified car mechanic about how she should do her job because he must know more than she does about how she makes her living.

 

[Phynaz]

Phynaz:

WinRAR benchmarks
3770k=10,773
8350=8,951

i7-870@stock = 6,292
3570K@4.0 = 5,009 <-- I think I need to look into this.

Thanks again Gus.

 

[Phynaz]

7zip 9.30 LZMA2 on 8-10 threads would be nicer than Winrar, makes full use of the cores.

But how real-life is it? We know 7zip is a corner case for BD/PB. Many applications have the Winrar libraries built into them, such as Newsbin Pro. Are there equivalent applications using the 7zip code?

 

[guskline]

i7-870@stock = 6,292
3570K@4.0 = 5,009 <-- I think I need to look into this.

Thanks again Gus.

No problem. I'll run more tomorrow.

 

[grimpr]

But how real-life is it? We know 7zip is a corner case for BD/PB. Many applications have the Winrar libraries built into them, such as Newsbin Pro. Are there equivalent applications using the 7zip code?

Its free, it compresses better than Winrar and its fully multithreaded up to 16 threads and the 7z library is used in installers etc. I dont see any problem with this, do you?

 

[AtenRa]

Core i7 920 @ 3.8GHz, WinRar 4.2 64Bit

We already know that WinRar is memory bandwidth depended.

 

[grimpr]

Igor Pavlov, author of 7zip, has an CPU benchmark tool out that is little known, looks like benchmark fun.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenmax/?source=dlp

7-Benchmark 12.00
-----------------

7-Benchmark is a CPU performance test suite.

7-Benchmark is written and placed in the public domain by Igor Pavlov.

The package includes the following files:

test.bat - Main file that executes all tests
readme.txt - Description file for package and test.bat

MemLat32.exe - measures memory speed (32-bit version)
MemLat64.exe - measures memory speed (64-bit version)
MemLat.txt - Description for MemLat program

PipeLen.exe - measures the length of CPU pipeline
PipeLen.txt - Description for PipeLen program

timer32.exe - measures the time of execution of any program (32-bit version)
timer64.exe - measures the time of execution of any program (64-bit version)
timer.txt - Description for Timer program

7zr32.exe - reduced version of 7-Zip command line program (32-bit version)
7zr64.exe - reduced version of 7-Zip command line program (64-bit version)

src.7z - Source code of 7-Benchmark programs


You can find source code of 7zr32.exe and 7zr64.exe at www.7-zip.org.

 

[Phynaz]

Its free, it compresses better than Winrar and its fully multithreaded up to 16 threads and the 7z library is used in installers etc. I dont see any problem with this, do you?

As I said earlier it's a known corner case. That combined with your displayed vendor preference is why I ask. Hey, if there's usenet down-loaders that use it to unrar files then sure, let's test it.

In another post you mentioned that some installers use it, and now that I think about it I think I have seen that. I think is was a DVD authoring application.

I picked the applications I personally use every day. What I don't want to do is go running across the internet cherry picking programs to win some kind of fight. The constant holy wars are getting really tiresome.

 

[grimpr]

As I said earlier it's a known corner case. That combined with your displayed vendor preference is why I ask. Hey, if there's usenet down-loaders that use it to unrar files then sure, let's test it.

In another post you mentioned that some installers use it, and now that I think about it I think I have seen that. I think is was a DVD authoring application.

I picked the applications I personally use every day. What I don't want to do is go running across the internet cherry picking programs to win some kind of fight. The constant holy wars are getting really tiresome.

I dont use usenet and dont care since its a known corner case for a small minority, for my needs i use 7zip since its free, reliable and fully multithreaded, you dont like 7zip since it showcases amd in a positive light, expected from your clear vendor bias and constant crusade against green team.

 

[jaqie]

The constant holy wars are getting really tiresome.

I think I was trying to say the same thing, far less eloquently. Thank you. Thank you for being reasonable and forthright, I really wanna know the thread OP's results.

I had just taken a vicodin for my arthritis; I apologize for going off on a tangent in the thread, I had meant to post something more on-topic to the original post but lost track of myself somewhere during the action of posting.

 

[Vesku]

I've used 7zip for years, solid program. I don't personally use benchmarks of it to decide on my computer but I also think it's certainly got enough users and usefulness to not be dismissed. It certainly has more relevance to me than Winrar (is it still shareware?).

 

[jaqie]

7zip was never shareware.

It has always been open source freeware.

 

[Vesku]

"Winrar (is it still shareware?)."

 

[grimpr]

"Winrar (is it still shareware?)."

Yes, http://rarlab.com/shop2rarlab.php?prod=winrar

 

[Phynaz]

expected from your clear vendor bias and constant crusade against green team.

Interesting how you used the word team, as if this thread is some sort of competition to be won.

I actually went down stairs and started to power up my AMD system. I was going to post a picture of it with your post displayed along with the AMD sticker on it.

But I thought better of it. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.



Winrar, i5-M540, encrypted drive = 2,353.
Edit: On battery.

 

[grimpr]

Interesting how you used the word team, as if this thread is some sort of competition to be won.

I actually went down stairs and started to power up my AMD system. I was going to post a picture of it with your post displayed along with the AMD sticker on it.

But I thought better of it. I'll leave it to you to figure out why.

Interesting how you carefully nitpick words and phrases even from past posts to discredit someone and tag him as biased, fanboy,troll etc so to brighten up yourself as unbiased, do you use this tactic in your workplace too? :biggrin:

 

[Vesku]

Interesting how derailed this is getting.

http://www.7-cpu.com/

Collection of LZMA results, doesn't look like there is a compelling difference to me.

Phenom II x6 and previous Gen I7s do quite well still even for a serious compressor/decompressor.