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Stunt

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Originally posted by: Descartes
What are you holding in energy? CHK has been great to me, so has SWN. I'm considering CVX for long until I find another place for my money, and I'm looking into an entry for GLNG. I'm also considering FPPC on a more speculative play.
Energy is a tough one considering the massive growth we've seen in the last year, I'm holding onto what I have, but I think I may just pull out as this run dries up a bit.

I tend to only invest in reserve owners and extractors, rather than distributers like chevron, valero, and shell. If you look at reserves and production my favorites have been Encana (natural gas), PetroCan (oil), and Talisman (sweet light crude). PetroCan has had a 20%+ move up in the last 8weeks, so I wouldn't suggest them at the moment, but I love the company and want to get in. They are doing a joint venture with UTS in the Alberta Oil Sands, and are our equivalent of your imperial or whatever, the company has huge reserves and is a powerhouse up here. Encana has had a good run, but they are still a good buy imo. They have no distrobution, just extraction infrastructure and natural gas reserves. $32billion dollars worth! Talisman is high right now but they have a tendency to go into unstable environments (like sudan) and successfully implement operations, they are notorious for their sweet light crude which demands top dollar on the market.

TransAlta (alberta energy company), TransCanada (builds the pipelines for the new natural gas and oil coming online in alberta, also has powerplants).

There's 3 good picks for you, just because i liek you All with good dividends, although you don't seem to care about those, lol.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Descartes
What are you holding in energy? CHK has been great to me, so has SWN. I'm considering CVX for long until I find another place for my money, and I'm looking into an entry for GLNG. I'm also considering FPPC on a more speculative play.

I don't have the money, time, knowledge, or desire to transact individual stocks, so i chose VGENX

I've been tossing $1000 in may, june, and july on days the fund dropped. I'm only 19 so I still have a ways to go, but I plan on tossing a couple grand into a 500 index Roth IRA; I honestly don't see a superior long term investment out there.
Zendari, that fund has the three oil and gas companies i've been ranting about for the last while. They have a lot of Canadian Holdings, always good to see.

They have $123m in Encana, $71m in PetroCan, $70m in Talisman.

They must be pulling back on the latter two as well as they are getting to high levels. But they still have a strong footing in Encana. I think they are making a mistake with a heavy weighting of $140m in Canadian Natural Resources. ($20 to $60 in a year!, and looks like its headed for a flatline)

Encana is a really good bet though boys
 

Stunt

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My energy fund has Encana as its 4th largest holding, all these funds are very happy with the company's outlook, as am I.
 
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That's actually not a bad idea. But if that's the ONLY investments you make, you could be in for trouble.

Better idea is to take the second best company in an area.

Like TGT instead of WMT
Lowes instead of Home Depot, etc.

Bottom line is that you have to understand valuation, PERIOD. If not, you bettter not invest in individual stocks.

What hapens whent he dogs of the dow are now longer in the Dow?
 
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
That's actually not a bad idea. But if that's the ONLY investments you make, you could be in for trouble.

Better idea is to take the second best company in an area.

Like TGT instead of WMT
Lowes instead of Home Depot, etc.

Bottom line is that you have to understand valuation, PERIOD. If not, you bettter not invest in individual stocks.

What hapens whent he dogs of the dow are now longer in the Dow?

IMO, a better idea is to simply *not* have any hard rules. If it were as simple as "just take the second best" then everyone would be fairly successful.

If you forfeit your understanding as an investor then you should be in funds, period!
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.

Absolutely. That's a serious killer for a lot of people, including myself.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.
Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.
Absolutely. That's a serious killer for a lot of people, including myself.
Quoting the article:
IMPORTANT NOTE: Make sure you hold the stocks you sell for one year and one day. That will let you claim the profit as a long-term capital gain for tax purposes, instead of ordinary income.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.


I thought the entire point of the DotD strategy was to hold a day longer than a year to avoid this? You'd be completely foolish to use this strategy with the short-term rate, if you did it probably wouldn't work at all relative to the index which requires no yearly readjustment.
 
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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.

Absolutely. That's a serious killer for a lot of people, including myself.

Studies prove it time and time again.

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My theory:
From a psycological standpoint, people like to see the shrot terms gains. They are "winning" or whatever.

But if you buy and hold, you watch the ups and downs.

But in investing, there is no room for emotion (psycologically based). Just pure logic.

Understanding the above three sentences can only arrive at one conclusion.

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I've owned this stock for about 4 years (buying at $36 or so).
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=LLTC&t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

And I have no regrets.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.


I thought the entire point of the DotD strategy was to hold a day longer than a year to avoid this? You'd be completely foolish to use this strategy with the short-term rate, if you did it probably wouldn't work at all relative to the index which requires no yearly readjustment.

When you sell the asset, sure, but dividends are still income.
 
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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.


I thought the entire point of the DotD strategy was to hold a day longer than a year to avoid this? You'd be completely foolish to use this strategy with the short-term rate, if you did it probably wouldn't work at all relative to the index which requires no yearly readjustment.

When you sell the asset, sure, but dividends are still income.

Depending on the stock, divdends are taxes at VERY low rate of 15%. Not as regular income as short term gains are. And onyl so much in lsses can be claimed annually.
 

Hector13

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.

Absolutely. That's a serious killer for a lot of people, including myself.

If he is following a dogs of the dow type strategy, then he is only trading once a year. Thus all his capital gains will be long term already. For a US investor, "qualified" dividends are now taxed much like capital gains... so tax-wise, this strategy actually ins't bad (low turnover + no short term gains).

Let's remember, though, that he is a Canadian investor... their taxes could be quite different (I believe dividends were treated equally before, but now may be taxed at a higher rate than capital gains??).

 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.


I thought the entire point of the DotD strategy was to hold a day longer than a year to avoid this? You'd be completely foolish to use this strategy with the short-term rate, if you did it probably wouldn't work at all relative to the index which requires no yearly readjustment.

When you sell the asset, sure, but dividends are still income.

Depending on the stock, divdends are taxes at VERY low rate of 15%. Not as regular income as short term gains are. And onyl so much in lsses can be claimed annually.

Not necessarily. If it's a stock dividend you're likely not tax liable at all, but if it's a cash dividend you are. If you held that stock for < 1 year then you're taxed at your normal income tax bracket, but otherwise it's 15% as you said.

15% is still a substantial amount, and it reduces the attraction to a company that has a high yield but little appreciation.
 

Hector13

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Not necessarily. If it's a stock dividend you're likely not tax liable at all, but if it's a cash dividend you are. If you held that stock for < 1 year then you're taxed at your normal income tax bracket, but otherwise it's 15% as you said.

15% is still a substantial amount, and it reduces the attraction to a company that has a high yield but little appreciation.

I am not tax expert, but I don't think you need to hold a stock for 1 year to qualify for the 15% tax rate. I think it is closer to 30 or 60 days. If the stocks he is buying pay quarterly dividends, he should be okay.... again, if he were a US investor... which he isn't.
 

Stunt

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These are the Canadian rules:
Step 7: Tax strategies for investors

Many Canadians take great care analyzing stocks, mutual funds and other investments so they can squeeze out every last penny of return. Savvy investors also spend time comparing brokerage fees and administration costs so they can select the most cost-effective investment services. However, not all investors are as thorough in determining the effect that income tax will have on their profits.

Since interest income, capital gains and dividends are each taxed differently, some investment strategies carry obvious tax advantages.

Interest income

Interest income takes a direct tax hit. It is added to your taxable income for the year and taxed at your marginal rate ? that is, the top rate you pay based on your taxable income. The interest income on compound investments, such as Canada Savings Bonds or long-term guaranteed investment certificates must usually be reported annually.

Dividends

Dividends from foreign corporations get the same tax treatment as interest. But dividends paid by Canadian companies get a break, since the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) already collected tax on the corporate profits used to pay dividends. Applying the dividend tax credit results in a lower effective tax rate than for other types of income. The effective tax rate is the total tax you pay expressed as a percentage of your taxable income.

Capital gains

Capital gains are not taxed as heavily as interest income, but no longer carry the lifetime exemptions that favoured them years ago. A capital gain is profit on the sale or disposition of a capital asset, like a stock, after the cost of buying and selling is deducted.

For dispositions after Oct. 17, 2000, 50% of the capital gain (adjusted for costs) is added to your taxable income for that year and taxed at your marginal rate. Professional tax advice may be necessary to accurately interpret the capital gains implications of your investment strategies.

Capital losses

What if you lose money? Capital losses can only be deducted against capital gains, but unused losses may be carried back three years and forward indefinitely to be applied against other taxable capital gains.

Canadian securities

Investing in Canadian securities, which includes putting money into shares, bonds, debentures and some mortgages, does not automatically qualify you for the capital gains provision, so check with your financial adviser or CRA to be sure 50% of your profit will be tax-exempt and 50% of your losses may be deducted.

Expenses

Tax rules must be applied carefully to determine which selling expenses and costs, including brokerage commissions, may be deducted from profits to establish capital gain. The tax costs of a company's shares that were purchased at different prices are pooled for tax purposes. Mutual funds carry complications of their own. Check out the details with CRA or your financial adviser before you spend.

Equivalent after-tax yields

Ask your investment adviser to help you compare after-tax yields when selecting investments. Returns of interest, dividends and capital gains receive different tax treatments.

Capital gains, which are taxed only when realized, offer the most attractive after-tax yields, since only 50% of the net gain is taxed at your marginal rate. When comparing returns on interest-bearing and dividend-yielding investments, remember that the dividend tax credit may lead to a better after-tax return even if the dividend rate is lower than the interest rate.

While yields are a significant factor, do not forget to take risk, growth potential and liquidity into account when selecting investments.

RRSPs

Registered Retirement Savings Plans offer a tax-sheltered environment for investing. Inside an RRSP, interest income is tax-free, capital gains are sheltered from tax and tax-free dividend income can be reinvested to buy more shares.

You may, however, decide to do your high-risk investing outside your RRSP. A loss in your RRSP means permanently lost contribution room.

This could cost you in three ways: loss of your investment capital, loss of years of tax-free compounding and loss of the tax advantage of deducting capital loss from capital gains. Funds withdrawn from an RRSP are treated like interest income and added to your taxable income for that year.

In 2001, restrictions enforcing Canadian content dropped to a maximum of 70% of the RRSP portfolio. A penalty will be charged if foreign holdings exceed 30% of the investments in a RRSP.

Remember, it's what you keep that counts. Have your financial adviser help you weigh the tax implications of your investment strategies before you buy.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Hector13
Originally posted by: Descartes
Not necessarily. If it's a stock dividend you're likely not tax liable at all, but if it's a cash dividend you are. If you held that stock for < 1 year then you're taxed at your normal income tax bracket, but otherwise it's 15% as you said.

15% is still a substantial amount, and it reduces the attraction to a company that has a high yield but little appreciation.

I am not tax expert, but I don't think you need to hold a stock for 1 year to qualify for the 15% tax rate. I think it is closer to 30 or 60 days. If the stocks he is buying pay quarterly dividends, he should be okay.... again, if he were a US investor... which he isn't.

If it's a cash dividend he will most certainly *not* be ok. You have to hold it for a year to qualify as capital gains and not income, and even if it were not income it would still be up to 15%!

If the stock has an unrealized gain of 5% and you're considering a yield of 5% as well, then the total return would be 10%. That's great, but after taxes it's nowhere near as attractive, especially if you do sell in the short-term.

Again, I would rather invest in tax-exempt bonds than blue chips/large-caps with little upside and high yield.

[edit]Oops, sorry, forgot you're in Canada.[/edit]
 
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Originally posted by: Hector13
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.

Absolutely. That's a serious killer for a lot of people, including myself.

If he is following a dogs of the dow type strategy, then he is only trading once a year. Thus all his capital gains will be long term already. For a US investor, "qualified" dividends are now taxed much like capital gains... so tax-wise, this strategy actually ins't bad (low turnover + no short term gains).

Let's remember, though, that he is a Canadian investor... their taxes could be quite different (I believe dividends were treated equally before, but now may be taxed at a higher rate than capital gains??).

Less than one year?

three tax brackets:
less than one year
1-5
5+
 

Hector13

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Originally posted by: Descartes
If it's a cash dividend he will most certainly *not* be ok. You have to hold it for a year to qualify as capital gains and not income, and even if it were not income it would still be up to 15%!

If the stock has an unrealized gain of 5% and you're considering a yield of 5% as well, then the total return would be 10%. That's great, but after taxes it's nowhere near as attractive, especially if you do sell in the short-term.

Again, I would rather invest in tax-exempt bonds than blue chips/large-caps with little upside and high yield.

[edit]Oops, sorry, forgot you're in Canada.[/edit]

I'll say it again... I am nearly positive that to qualify for the 15% dividend tax rate you do not need to hold a stock for 1 year.

In either case, you don't have to tell me that the strategy isn't that great... I already said above that I think it is a bad idea. In fact, I think trying to beat the market through stock selection itself is a bad idea (as is market timing). Trust me, there are many, many very "smart" people who get paid tons of money to do this for a living (with access to much better "research" and technology than you will ever have). If they can't do a good job of consistently beating the market, what makes you think you can?

Seriously, do you honestly believe that you are the only person who has ever thought about investing in companies with low P/Es, good "growth" potential, etc.?
 
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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Descartes
Given that the values of these companies don't seem to move you are investing almost entirely for the purpose of dividend yield. Why bother?
The dividend yield is based on the stock price and the dividend. So you get a minimum cashflow of 2 to 5% in addition to the upside potential of a lower priced stock.

The Dogs of the Dow consistently beat the Dow over time and the small dogs (lower priced of the 10 from a staright up dollar value) have had an annual 20%+ rate of return since 1973.

Investing is all about buying low, limiting your downside potential and making money. I think you may have missed that yield is comprised of dividend divided by stock price.

Nerver use the word "all". Find me an income opriented investor that is retired that agrees with that statement.

Andways, limiting downside risk is very important. I typcially invest in 3%+ yielders. Over the long term, the company will grow and if I didn't buy at a "low" price, I still get a nice yield till thigns improve.

The other flaw in your stated strategy is that you will end up paying short term capital gains taxes on your gains.


I thought the entire point of the DotD strategy was to hold a day longer than a year to avoid this? You'd be completely foolish to use this strategy with the short-term rate, if you did it probably wouldn't work at all relative to the index which requires no yearly readjustment.

When you sell the asset, sure, but dividends are still income.

Depending on the stock, divdends are taxes at VERY low rate of 15%. Not as regular income as short term gains are. And onyl so much in lsses can be claimed annually.

Not necessarily. If it's a stock dividend you're likely not tax liable at all, but if it's a cash dividend you are. If you held that stock for < 1 year then you're taxed at your normal income tax bracket, but otherwise it's 15% as you said.

15% is still a substantial amount, and it reduces the attraction to a company that has a high yield but little appreciation.

 
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