My life sucks.

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Raduque
Join your local fire department, instead? IMO, you'll be doing much more for your country in a local FD then you'll do for it bleeding to death or blown to bits in the desert.

Why are people determined to threadcrap in here?

Take that crap to P&N where it belongs.

Blah blah blah.

I think the OP, with his want/need to help and serve, would be more useful helping as a firefighter/ems, rather then a front-line grunt taking bullets or dodging IEDs.

I love the military as much as anybody and I support our troops 100%. Hell, my dad's in the US Coast Guard and is currently saving lives in Alaska.

What I don't support the reasons they're deployed, and I don't support the 20,000 more sent in, and I certainly don't want anymore of our dedicated service men and women to die, including the OP, should he get enlisted.

 

[Wapp]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Raduque
Join your local fire department, instead? IMO, you'll be doing much more for your country in a local FD then you'll do for it bleeding to death or blown to bits in the desert.

Why are people determined to threadcrap in here?

Take that crap to P&N where it belongs.

Blah blah blah.

Fixed, now take your personal politics to a different forum, good sir.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Raduque
Join your local fire department, instead? IMO, you'll be doing much more for your country in a local FD then you'll do for it bleeding to death or blown to bits in the desert.

Why are people determined to threadcrap in here?

Take that crap to P&N where it belongs.

Blah blah blah.

I think the OP, with his want/need to help and serve, would be more useful helping as a firefighter/ems, rather then a front-line grunt taking bullets or dodging IEDs.

I love the military as much as anybody and I support our troops 100%. Hell, my dad's in the US Coast Guard and is currently saving lives in Alaska.

What I don't support the reasons they're deployed, and I don't support the 20,000 more sent in, and I certainly don't want anymore of our dedicated service men and women to die, including the OP, should he get enlisted.

So you take a dump in his thread to help this poor misguided soul out? How kind.

It is his choice how/if he wants to serve, not yours.

 

[musha shugyo]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus
Yeah, well, right now is not exactly the best time to get into the military. Consider yourself lucky.

Yea, the best time to join the military is during peacetime. That's when they need you the most. :roll:

No, the best time to serve in the military is when there isn't a moron commander in chief who uses the military as a pawn to invade a country when there's no threat against the United States. The point of the military is to defend America, not to wage unnecessary wars.

When you're a soldier, the reason for deployment doesn't matter. There is no difference between shooting Bosnians, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis, etc. They all die the same. You do the job you were assigned to do, and you do it right. Hang up your morals, and realize the the purpose of the military is to kill and destroy, and let the higher ups worry about the reasons why.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus
Yeah, well, right now is not exactly the best time to get into the military. Consider yourself lucky.

Yea, the best time to join the military is during peacetime. That's when they need you the most. :roll:

No, the best time to serve in the military is when there isn't a moron commander in chief who uses the military as a pawn to invade a country when there's no threat against the United States. The point of the military is to defend America, not to wage unnecessary wars.

When you're a soldier, the reason for deployment doesn't matter. There is no difference between shooting Bosnians, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis, etc. They all die the same. You do the job you were assigned to do, and you do it right. Hang up your morals, and realize the the purpose of the military is to kill and destroy, and let the higher ups worry about the reasons why.

Which is why i said he was lucky so he wouldn't have those moral quandaries, like the rest of the active military right now:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent...ories/010907dntexmilitary.3349ded.html

Like i said, the purpose of the military is to defend America... and nothing else.

 

[j00fek]

sorry to hear this

 

[zoiks]

Join the minute men. They'll takeyou readily and give you a gun too.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Try the Coast Guard? Puddle Pirates ftw!

 

[ballmode]

You can always work for the government by serving in their institutions.

Social security is one...

 

[musha shugyo]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Which is why i said he was lucky so he wouldn't have those moral quandaries, like the rest of the active military right now:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent...ories/010907dntexmilitary.3349ded.html

Like i said, the purpose of the military is to defend America... and nothing else.

The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy things, whether that be in defense or attack. You can view it as you like. And there shouldn't be any moral quandaries. We're over there; if you're a soldier you do your job. If you have a problem, quit. OP sounds like he understands this.

 

[JackRipper]

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus
Yeah, well, right now is not exactly the best time to get into the military. Consider yourself lucky.

Yea, the best time to join the military is during peacetime. That's when they need you the most. :roll:

No, the best time to serve in the military is when there isn't a moron commander in chief who uses the military as a pawn to invade a country when there's no threat against the United States. The point of the military is to defend America, not to wage unnecessary wars.

When you're a soldier, the reason for deployment doesn't matter. There is no difference between shooting Bosnians, Iraqis, Iranians, Afghanis, etc. They all die the same. You do the job you were assigned to do, and you do it right. Hang up your morals, and realize the the purpose of the military is to kill and destroy, and let the higher ups worry about the reasons why.

exactly the reason why the op should reconsider joining because he could be in for a rude awakening...

being in is not as glamourous as most ppl think... there are a lot of hero's and she-ro's who are very gung ho about purpose and going but unless u have incredibly strong willpower to have 110% faith in ur command... ur gonna be in for a lotta shock....

-JR

 

[moshquerade]

you HAVE GOT to be kidding me. the kid is asking for advice on his eye issue not for your political agendas. :roll:

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus
Which is why i said he was lucky so he wouldn't have those moral quandaries, like the rest of the active military right now:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent...ories/010907dntexmilitary.3349ded.html

Like i said, the purpose of the military is to defend America... and nothing else.

The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy things, whether that be in defense or attack. You can view it as you like. And there shouldn't be any moral quandaries. We're over there; if you're a soldier you do your job. If you have a problem, quit. OP sounds like he understands this.

The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy things? Wow you're a moron. No, the military is to protect america. Sometimes they have to kill and destroy things for that objective. If there's no threat to America, then there's no reason to 'kill and destroy things'.

And the OP sounds like your typical unrealistically idealistic high school kid. Even that Tillman guy who jumped from pro-football to the military was idealistic as hell about joining the military to fight in Afghanistan but then became disillusioned after we invaded Iraq... and he was a full grown adult by then.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: funboy42
Wow, I cant believe with as hard up for for people as the forces are they didnt take you because of just poor eye site. You would think at this point you could be half blind in one eye and have a wooden one for the other and they would take you.

guess recruitment isn't as bad as the media leads us to believe.

Actually after a lot of recruiters doing some things to get unfit recruits in the military has come down hard on those that try and recruit those that are unfit.

So it is probable harder for the OP right now since so many were recruited that did not meet specs but had recruiters doing things they should not have.

 

[Mermaidman]

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[musha shugyo]

Originally posted by: Phokus
The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy things? Wow you're a moron. No, the military is to protect america. Sometimes they have to kill and destroy things for that objective. If there's no threat to America, then there's no reason to 'kill and destroy things'.

And the OP sounds like your typical unrealistically idealistic high school kid. Even that Tillman guy who jumped from pro-football to the military was idealistic as hell about joining the military to fight in Afghanistan but then became disillusioned after we invaded Iraq... and he was a full grown adult by then.

The purpose of the military is to participate in warfare. That is, to kill and destroy for one reason or another. This can be in defense of our country, the defense of an ally, to occupy and quell other countries, etc. Your stance is one of how we should use this force trained solely in warfare, but does not change the purpose of a military.

We have no basis to judge the OP. He sounds like someone who really wants to join the military, and we have no idea how he will evolve after he has done so.

(End note: sinking to personal insults this early in a debate just shows the weakness of your argumentative abilities)

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus
The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy things? Wow you're a moron. No, the military is to protect america. Sometimes they have to kill and destroy things for that objective. If there's no threat to America, then there's no reason to 'kill and destroy things'.

And the OP sounds like your typical unrealistically idealistic high school kid. Even that Tillman guy who jumped from pro-football to the military was idealistic as hell about joining the military to fight in Afghanistan but then became disillusioned after we invaded Iraq... and he was a full grown adult by then.

The purpose of the military is to participate in warfare. That is, to kill and destroy for one reason or another. This can be in defense of our country, the defense of an ally, to occupy and quell other countries, etc. Your stance is one of how we should use this force trained solely in warfare, but does not change the purpose of a military.

We have no basis to judge the OP. He sounds like someone who really wants to join the military, and we have no idea how he will evolve after he has done so.

(End note: sinking to personal insults this early in a debate just shows the weakness of your argumentative abilities)

The original intent of the military was to defend the country. All this bs about 'defending allies' is what i'm talking about. There's a reason the DoD is called the "Department of Defense" and not "the department of foreign entanglements that have nothing to do with defending america". The only person with a weak argument is you, which is why i'm calling you out. "kill and destroy things" :roll:

"peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none - Thomas Jefferson"

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: Phokus
The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy things? Wow you're a moron. No, the military is to protect america. Sometimes they have to kill and destroy things for that objective. If there's no threat to America, then there's no reason to 'kill and destroy things'.

And the OP sounds like your typical unrealistically idealistic high school kid. Even that Tillman guy who jumped from pro-football to the military was idealistic as hell about joining the military to fight in Afghanistan but then became disillusioned after we invaded Iraq... and he was a full grown adult by then.

The purpose of the military is to participate in warfare. That is, to kill and destroy for one reason or another. This can be in defense of our country, the defense of an ally, to occupy and quell other countries, etc. Your stance is one of how we should use this force trained solely in warfare, but does not change the purpose of a military.

We have no basis to judge the OP. He sounds like someone who really wants to join the military, and we have no idea how he will evolve after he has done so.

(End note: sinking to personal insults this early in a debate just shows the weakness of your argumentative abilities)

The original intent of the military was to defend the country. All this bs about 'defending allies' is what i'm talking about. There's a reason the DoD is called the "Department of Defense" and not "the department of foreign entanglements that have nothing to do with defending america". The only person with a weak argument is you, which is why i'm calling you out. "kill and destroy things" :roll:

"peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none - Thomas Jefferson"

FYI: Prior to 1947 it was called War Department.

The US has a long and illustrious history of sticking its nose where it doesn't belong for national gain (sometimes with the military at the point of it), though our list still pales in comparison to our European brethren.

 

[moshquerade]

STFU!!!! or take it to P&N.

 

[AFSCrazy]

Uhm, sorry this thread blew up, thanks to those who have offered some input though, it's really appreciated.

 

[chowmein]

government contract is your best friend.

 

[musha shugyo]

Originally posted by: Phokus
The original intent of the military was to defend the country. All this bs about 'defending allies' is what i'm talking about. There's a reason the DoD is called the "Department of Defense" and not "the department of foreign entanglements that have nothing to do with defending america". The only person with a weak argument is you, which is why i'm calling you out. "kill and destroy things" :roll:

"peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none - Thomas Jefferson"

And how does one defend without killing and destroying the opposing force? The purpose of the military is to kill and destroy. I'm not arguing with you over how it should be used, simply stating that the point of any military is to decimate the opposing force through killing and destroying.

You can debate the original intent of the first professional American military all you want (Just remember, they killed and destroyed thing owned by the British in an attempt to assert that the land was rightfully theirs, independent of England. This is not defense.). That doesn't change the purpose of a military.

 

[musha shugyo]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
STFU!!!! or take it to P&N.

STFU!!!! or take it to FI.

Jesus, the kid got the information he needed in the 6th post, and we're not debating politics. Stop trying to act like the forum police.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
STFU!!!! or take it to P&N.

STFU!!!! or take it to FI.

Jesus, the kid got the information he needed in the 6th post, and we're not debating politics. Stop trying to act like the forum police.

oh yes you are. go to P&N, and you'll find the same bullsh!t that is staining this thread THERE.

as far as you calling me the "forum police", i am just saying what everyone else is thinking.

 

[musha shugyo]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: musha shugyo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
STFU!!!! or take it to P&N.

STFU!!!! or take it to FI.

Jesus, the kid got the information he needed in the 6th post, and we're not debating politics. Stop trying to act like the forum police.

oh yes you are. go to P&N you'll find the same bullsh!t you are staining this thread with THERE.

as far as your calling me the "forum police", i am just saying what everyone else is thinking.

So, debating the purpose of a military is politics? Interesting. I'm also glad that you know what everyone else is thinking...or did they all tell you to clutter up the thread even more with inane comments?