My LLano A4-3300 Review [Old thread - necro]

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VirtualLarry

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All this fm1 stuff is all over the forum lately, its all about now you could be more cheap by using long dead socket and apus that makes no sense to use at all, outdated platform io, slow xpu with no upgrades and no motherboard replacement posible if it fails in a few months, hell go and buy am3 semprons, at least that is valid platform today, and then you tell me to use 7400k instead of 7300, but you know what? I wast serious. But now i see that you are just trolling.

There's threads about X58 and X79 too, because of the availability of cheap server Xeon CPUs now on ebay. Yet, those are "long dead sockets" too. And I don't hear you complaining about that.

I'll try to keep my FM1 talk confined to this thread, and possibly a performance comparison in one of my other threads (my Q9300 thread). But I try not to "pollute" the forum with them.
 

Shivansps

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I bet its not about using x58 with a crap slow processor, althought its gona have the same problems.

A10-3850 makes a Little more sence, A4-3300 do not.

I mean, what next? Pentium G6950s?
 
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waltchan

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There's threads about X58 and X79 too, because of the availability of cheap server Xeon CPUs now on ebay. Yet, those are "long dead sockets" too. And I don't hear you complaining about that.

I'll try to keep my FM1 talk confined to this thread, and possibly a performance comparison in one of my other threads (my Q9300 thread). But I try not to "pollute" the forum with them.
He's concerned we should not invest in FM1s anymore because they're old, obsolete, and junk. He wants us to buy everything new, fresh, and latest, like most users here with Skylake. While I agree with him that going with FM2+ and LGA1151 make more sense, we can't always afford to invest in new sockets or upgraded processors that will break our saving accounts.
 

NTMBK

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He's concerned we should not invest in FM1s anymore because they're old, obsolete, and junk. He wants us to buy everything new, fresh, and latest, like most users here with Skylake. While I agree with him that going with FM2+ and LGA1151 make more sense, we can't always afford to invest in new sockets or upgraded processors that will break our saving accounts.

Larry just bought ten of these obsolete systems! He can, quite evidently, afford a single Skylake system!
 

Shivansps

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Someone that buy a A4-3300, no matter how cheap, gets something that today is way too close to being way too slow, you cant upgrade it, you cant replace the motherboard if it dies, and if we are talking about A55, something with a crap old IO, that make the most difference in a system (why you guys belive a E-350 feels slower than a 2650?)
With a A8-3850 is a slightly different matter, that perf at that low price will make worth it.

We shouldt buy E5200/G41, or G6950/H55 for the exact same reason...

BIOSTAR Hi-Fi A70U3P + A6-5400K is a $80(and you could probably get it for less) combo that yields better performance, OC, all new parts, modern motherboard, and you could upgrade APU/Change dead MB for at least a year from now. Nevermind that FM2 lived for way more time than FM1.

For about $90 you get H81/G1840 and i have no doubs that one day you will be able to place a I5/I7 on it for almost nothing.

So why use the crap short lived FM1 just with a A4-3300? no idea
 
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nerp

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Figured I'd chime in here. The A4-3400 in my sig is still humming along as a MCE machine, powering a total of five tuners, recording HD content and streaming to two xbox 360s over powerline network no issues, quite lovely in fact. The machine runs only MCE and sometimes netflix/pbskids.org in a browser. It has been very solid and reliable and the performance, while not very snappy, is more than adequate for a single-purpose machine. It was a great investment though I couldn't imagine paying what I paid back then now for that level of performance.

The machine has 4GB of ram and a Samsung 840 SSD. TV shows are recorded to an external USB 2.0 HD.

The machine will eventually face a crossroads. At some point we're going to cut the cord, the tuners will be worthless and I'll upgrade it to windows 10. At that point, I'll be hard pressed to find a valid use for it. Perhaps get an OTA antennae and a cheap 21 inch monitor and use it to watch Montel Williams and Family Feud during the day. But then it begs the question - why not just get a cheap little TV that will use much less power, doesn't need a bundle of wires and cords etc? You just hate throwing away a perfectly functioning computer.
 

cbn

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Nerp,

If someone wanted to add DVR/PVR functionality to a rig created from one these ECS A55 and A4-3300/A4-3420s what kind of additional hardware and software do you recommend?

Any ideas for a Linux only installation? Maybe one using OTA antennae only?
 
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nerp

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I don't know about linux, but for Windows, MCE is the way to go if you're going to run tuners but that means you're stuck with 7 or 8.1, which sucks. I'm using a Ceton InfiniTV external USB tuner with a cablecard I rent from Verizon for $2 a month that slides in the back to decrypt my channels.

I also have a hauppage card, a WinTV with hardware decoder on it. That gives us some clearQAM channels plus the extra channels the local broadcasters have that you'd get OTA HD with an antennae. MCE is great for recording and acting as a PVR. There really isn't any other solution that I can see. The Xbox might end up improving its capabilities as a DVR machine -- I haven't quite looked into it.

If we do cut the cord, I have that Hauppage card and plan on using it to watch live TV OTA. I don't know about recording at this point as I'd move away from Windows 7.
 

waltchan

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I just received my Phenom II X2 570 AM3 today, and I can overclock it up to 3.8GHz max. Callisto cores are almost similar to Llano cores. Performance is nearly 90% identical to Celeron G1820.
 

escrow4

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In terms of cheap AMD rubbish the cheapest my store has in stock for brand new unfondled parts are:

- A4 7300 - $56
- Asrock FM2A68M-HD - $73

for Intel:

- Intel G1840 - $58
- Asrock H81M-DGS - $68

It may be cheap but given the lack of performance, the compromises, eh. I haven't built AMD in a while though.
 
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waltchan

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In terms of cheap AMD rubbish the cheapest my store has in stock for brand new unfondled parts are:

- A4 7300 - $56
- Asrock FM2A68M-HD - $73

for Intel:

- Intel G1840 - $58
- Asrock H81M-DGS - $68

It may be cheap but given the lack of performance, the compromises, eh. I haven't built AMD in a while though.
So sad, he's selling A4-7300 for $2 less than G1840, it doesn't have Crimson video drivers, and they get hit hard on depreciation next year. A4-7300 is a risky purchase now, avoid this model if you see for over $40 USD. Say hello to used A6-5400K for $25 USD instead.
 

VirtualLarry

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In terms of cheap AMD rubbish the cheapest my store has in stock for brand new unfondled parts are:

- A4 7300 - $56
- Asrock FM2A68M-HD - $73

for Intel:

- Intel G1840 - $58
- Asrock H81M-DGS - $68

It may be cheap but given the lack of performance, the compromises, eh. I haven't built AMD in a while though.

I should send you one of these FM1 A55 / A4-3420 combos, just to have something to play with. I'd be interested in your impressions. PM me if interested.
 

waltchan

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I should send you one of these FM1 A55 / A4-3420 combos, just to have something to play with. I'd be interested in your impressions. PM me if interested.
I think he wants a SATA III chipset. People can be so demanding these days, forcing you to pay higher prices while not hurting their feelings.
 

waltchan

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A6-5400K is selling for $32.99 on Newegg right now after promo code EMCETFJ38 upon checkout. Maybe VirtualLarry is interested. Limit 5 per customer. Still much cheaper than A4-7300, A6-6400K, and A6-7400K.

At least I've calmed Shivansps's temper down.
 
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escrow4

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I think he wants a SATA III chipset. People can be so demanding these days, forcing you to pay higher prices while not hurting their feelings.

Shipping over here would cost more than those parts. And if I really wanted to play around with old crap I'd buy a refurb Core 2 and point and laugh.
 

Shivansps

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A6-5400K is selling for $32.99 on Newegg right now after promo code EMCETFJ38 upon checkout. Maybe VirtualLarry is interested. Limit 5 per customer. Still much cheaper than A4-7300, A6-6400K, and A6-7400K.

At least I've calmed Shivansps's temper down.

A4-7300 has a beta Crimson Driver dated feb 27/2016 enabling WDDM 2.0, i use it, and it works very well, the only thing that does not work is OpenCL.

Altrought im petty sure the 5400K and 3300 can use the exact same driver.
 
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SPBHM

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A4-7300 has a beta Crimson Driver dated feb 27/2016 enabling WDDM 2.0, i use it, and it works very well, the only thing that does not work is OpenCL.

Altrought im petty sure the 5400K and 3300 can use the exact same driver.

the crimson for legacy GPUs is not WDDM 2.0, at least here is WDDM 1.3 and it removes functionality, like you mentioned OpenCL and a few other things, for that reason I'm using the last Catalyst
 

waltchan

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A4-7300 has a beta Crimson Driver dated feb 27/2016 enabling WDDM 2.0, i use it, and it works very well, the only thing that does not work is OpenCL.

Altrought im petty sure the 5400K and 3300 can use the exact same driver.
A6-5400K is the same thing, both take beta Crimson driver, but cost less than A4-7300 and can overclock up to 4.4GHz max.
 

cbn

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Figured I'd chime in here. The A4-3400 in my sig is still humming along as a MCE machine, powering a total of five tuners, recording HD content and streaming to two xbox 360s over powerline network no issues, quite lovely in fact. The machine runs only MCE and sometimes netflix/pbskids.org in a browser. It has been very solid and reliable and the performance, while not very snappy, is more than adequate for a single-purpose machine. It was a great investment though I couldn't imagine paying what I paid back then now for that level of performance.

The machine has 4GB of ram and a Samsung 840 SSD. TV shows are recorded to an external USB 2.0 HD.

The machine will eventually face a crossroads. At some point we're going to cut the cord, the tuners will be worthless and I'll upgrade it to windows 10. At that point, I'll be hard pressed to find a valid use for it. Perhaps get an OTA antennae and a cheap 21 inch monitor and use it to watch Montel Williams and Family Feud during the day. But then it begs the question - why not just get a cheap little TV that will use much less power, doesn't need a bundle of wires and cords etc? You just hate throwing away a perfectly functioning computer.

Nerp,

If someone wanted to add DVR/PVR functionality to a rig created from one these ECS A55 and A4-3300/A4-3420s what kind of additional hardware and software do you recommend?

Any ideas for a Linux only installation? Maybe one using OTA antennae only?

I don't know about linux, but for Windows, MCE is the way to go if you're going to run tuners but that means you're stuck with 7 or 8.1, which sucks. (snip)

I downloaded Mythbuntu 14.04 (Myth TV + xfce) yesterday and while I haven't tested its DVR functionality It does look really nice (eg, there is a GUI to configure a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun tuner.)

It also appears to work quite nicely as desktop. All a person needs to do is close the 10 foot UI and the Xfce desktop is available. (In fact, I am using it right now with Firefox to type this post).

EDIT: Mythbuntu 16.04 was released today so I installed that as well. I'm still exploring, but one thing immediately noticeable is that the 10 foot UI does not start as default. Instead the Xfce desktop is default and there is a clickable icon "Myth TV front end".
 
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cbn

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The machine will eventually face a crossroads. At some point we're going to cut the cord, the tuners will be worthless and I'll upgrade it to windows 10. At that point, I'll be hard pressed to find a valid use for it. Perhaps get an OTA antennae and a cheap 21 inch monitor and use it to watch Montel Williams and Family Feud during the day. But then it begs the question - why not just get a cheap little TV that will use much less power, doesn't need a bundle of wires and cords etc? You just hate throwing away a perfectly functioning computer.

Maybe connect the OTA antennae to a HDHomeRun? Then a person could share that reception over two screens (including something like a tablet).

 
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waltchan

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A4-3300 depreciating in price again for $7.99 shipped now with best-offer option available. Search for eBay item # 301922661430 . All are new.

I placed 5 quantities in order for $6 each best offer. Let's see if it goes through. If declined, then that's okay. This is crazy....

Hey VirtualLarry, what do you think? A4-3420 for $13.75 isn't worth the price. The correct price should be $9.75, so you're $4 overcharged. With A4-3300 for $6 if accepted, you're $2.55 undercharge from $8.55 everyday price.

How are the A75 ECS boards you recently purchased? New, refurb, or used?
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Holy crap!! are you serious right now?? 8 bucks for a brand new factory sealed cpu/apu?? I dont care how old it is as long as it was made after year 2000 then that is a steal.would probably make a killer file server or lite media client.Dont think I would cry over such a kick ass deal..
 

waltchan

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Holy crap!! are you serious right now?? 8 bucks for a brand new factory sealed cpu/apu?? I dont care how old it is as long as it was made after year 2000 then that is a steal.would probably make a killer file server or lite media client.Dont think I would cry over such a kick ass deal..
Yep, not a joke. Welcome to the new FM1 world where many opportunities await for fast, drop-jaw prices. Not just A4-3300 alone, but there will be many FM1 quad-cores depreciating down to $10 or less several years later. FM1 is truly an exciting, lowest-priced new socket you don't want to ignore, after LGA775.

See page 2 where we first started at $8.55 before, now $7.99 or less. All are brand new, never used, surplus inventory. No heatsink is included, but you can get one for $6 on eBay from China sellers, or steal one from Micro Center combo deal.

Previously, there were brand-new ECS A55F-M2 V2.0 boards for $27.99 each, but these are sold-out now. Only V1.0 left for $26.95 with free shipping, but it lacks Windows 10 secure-boot feature, unless you can hack the board and put in V2.0 BIOS. VirtualLarry will inform us if he can do it.

http://www.ascendtech.us/ecs-a55f-m4-fm1-v1-0-a55-ddr3-sata2-mb_i_mbfm1ecsa55fm41.aspx
 
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Justinbaileyman

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Now don't laugh, but I actually think that is a really nice looking Motherboard for being an ecs board.. As for windows shoot I would probably run this with Ubuntu Mate.
 

waltchan

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Now don't laugh, but I actually think that is a really nice looking Motherboard for being an ecs board.. As for windows shoot I would probably run this with Ubuntu Mate.
That's right. A55 is a very-simple chipset and includes AHCI support, but with SATA II only. This board is compatible with Ubuntu Mate, and you don't need secure-boot feature.
 
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