My long-term thoughts on my second anniversary with my 13" MBP

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Exactly two years ago (give or take a day or two), I received my 13" Apple MacBook Pro. I ordered the 13" MBP the day it was announced, more or less.

I bought what was then the $1,499 machine, with a faster CPU (if memory serves it's a 2.66GHz C2D), more RAM, and larger HD than the base option, as well as the backlit keyboard (I believe the latter is now standard on all MBPs). My MBP has remained stock with the exception of the HD - last fall I installed a 500GB Seagate Momentus XT for a performance/storage upgrade (the stock drive was still working fine). I have installed Windows 7 Ultimate with Boot Camp since I occasionally need Windows for work, but the overwhelming majority of the time I run Snow Leopard.

I have used my MBP more or less daily since receiving it, for a combination of work and personal use. I have a desktop at work and my MBP is not my primary work computer. I am, however, one of those people who, left to my own devices, will normally have my laptop on my lap while watching TV and often in bed, so it has seen, on average, several hours of usage every day for the past two years. I also travel fairly often, so my laptops slide in and out of cases quite a bit. I don't ever baby my computers - they are used with abandon. I am careful not to drop them or subject them to unnecessary jarring, however.

Prior to this I had a white MacBook (circa 2006). I previously owned an ancient NEC 486/33 laptop (bought in 1995), a Dell Inspiron 600M (circa 2004) and, briefly, a T-series Lenovo ThinkPad. I really didn't like the ThinkPad - it had a major technical problem (the wireless would cut out when any sound played) and the Lenovo tech support was horrible, so I returned it after a couple of weeks.

Looking at my MBP, I find it just remarkable it is two years old. It looks essentially as new. The unibody aluminum construction is incredibly rigid and tough - it doesn't have a scratch or dent. The glass touchpad is perfect - every other touchpad I've ever had would look worn and shiny by now. The keyboard also looks totally fine, though there is some shininess on the keys.

My other laptops have looked like they'd gone to hell and back by the time they were two years old. My Dell, in particular, had numerous mars, scratches and cracks in the case, and conked out entirely just after making it two years (the length of the extended warranty I had purchased). My white MB was really grungy - that plastic case scratches really easily - and had the cracked handrest that is typical of those machines (fortunately Apple was nice enough to replace the handrest and keyboard out of warranty since this is a known issue - this helped a lot when I sold it in May 2010). My NEC was actually not too bad after years of use, but that thing is such a dinosaur that it's hardly relevant to this discussion (it had neither USB nor any provision for an optical drive, for example).

The performance of the machine continues to make it a pleasure to use. It has been perfectly reliable at all times (even after I inadvertently left it in the trunk of my car during 2 1/2 subzero days and nights). The LED-backlit screen is very bright and looks great (I am not a shiny vs. matte snob, and since I don't do a ton of work on it I slightly prefer the shiny screen). The battery life, even after two years, is better than any other laptop I've owned (though there has certainly been some dropoff since it's been charged and discharged hundreds of times). I don't really play games on it or do CPU-intensive tasks, so the CPU and GPU, while admittedly outdated, are still more than adequate to my needs. Perhaps most of all, the ergonomics of the MBP are near-perfect for me.

After two years, I can find very little to criticize with my MBP. As an overall package I consider the 13" MBP the most perfectly-designed laptop ever built for my specific needs, and its build quality is second to none. I wouldn't mind a higher-res screen (though I am never bothered by it), and obviously if I were designing a new machine today I'd want a current CPU and GPU, but other than that I'd be hard-pressed to find anything I'd change. I occasionally have to use a ~2008 Dell Latitude at work and it's just awful ergonomically and makes me appreciate my MBP that much more.

Normally after two years I'd be looking to upgrade or change out my machine, but I'm inclined to see how long this one will keep working. I have AppleCare, so I'll certainly keep it for at least another year, but honestly I'm having a hard time seeing why I'd want another computer in the foreseeable future.

EDIT: I am now at three years! Updated comments appear below.
 
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CptObvious

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I feel the same way about my 4 year old white Macbook. I don't see a reason to upgrade when it's been working reliably and does everything I need, even editing photos in Lightroom. I've been tempted to go with a Thinkpad with their recent sales, but the things keeping me on Mac are the trackpad (I can't stand most PC notebook trackpads) and some of Apple's software (Keynote >>> Powerpoint).

I'm still waiting to upgrade until the Macbook Pro gets SSD standard and the Superdrive removed. Maybe next year?
 

Fear No Evil

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You think the reason its in better condition might have something to do with the price and looks of it to begin with? For example, you treat it better knowing you paid a bit of premium for it and since it looks nice you treat it better as well. Kind of like how you might take better care of a BMW than you would say a Toyota?

Looks seem very important to Apple users so keeping it 'looking' nice seems like it would be a logical extension of that. As well as resale value since the value of the product holds up more than others. Nothing WRONG with that, I'm just saying it might be the reason why as opposed to Apple's construction being magically impervious to scratches..
 

Oyeve

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My 15" MBP (mid 2009?) is still plenty fast and works great. Will only get a new one when this one truly dies.
 
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You think the reason its in better condition might have something to do with the price and looks of it to begin with? For example, you treat it better knowing you paid a bit of premium for it and since it looks nice you treat it better as well. Kind of like how you might take better care of a BMW than you would say a Toyota?

Looks seem very important to Apple users so keeping it 'looking' nice seems like it would be a logical extension of that. As well as resale value since the value of the product holds up more than others. Nothing WRONG with that, I'm just saying it might be the reason why as opposed to Apple's construction being magically impervious to scratches..

Not at all - I'm not one to think of things that way. For better or worse, I also treat my BMWs the same as the Japanese cars I've owned, and my Omega watches the same way I treat my Seikos. They're all just tools to be used and enjoyed.

I paid, if memory serves, around $1300 for my Dell, which ended up looking like a train hit it after two years. I paid only about $1000 for my MacBook, which looked decent, if a bit bedraggled, after two years. My MBP has been treated exactly the same and looks essentially new. As for the scratches, I think it's because the surface has a kind of stonewashed/media burnished finish - it just seems to resist scratching very well. I imagine the rounded edges help as well, because they reduce the likelihood of scratching bodies hitting the corners at a perpendicular angle.
 

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i still use my 2006 core duo 15" MBP.
I have the follow-up C2D speed bump and it's in pretty good condition. Only complaint I really have is the 3GB RAM ceiling is low for my usage; and I made the unfortunate decision to install an OEM'd Seagate Momentus 7200.4 drive a while back. When SSDs become commoditized parts (say 50 cents/GB), I'd upgrade in a heartbeat. I'm planning on hanging onto my MBP until the arrival of a quad-core 13" or iPad even.

One notable aspect of the "reality distortion field" or whatever you want to call it is the high resale value. Besides time, you probably don't lose too much if you upgrade about every 18 months; I think on Ars it's been termed the Jade effect after one of its main proponents.
 

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I bought the 13" MBP two years ago in August too, although I bought the lowest end one. I immediately put in an OCZ Summit SSD and ran it that way for over a year.

The summit isn't the best SSD by any stretch, but it still ran circles around my 74 GB raptor in my desktop, let alone the stock hd in the MBP.

A few months ago I swapped in a vertex 2, and swapped in 8 GB of RAM. I see no need to upgrade for quite some time and echo the OP's comments regarding the condition of the laptop.

Fantastic buy and well worth the money.
 

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I kept using my 12" PowerBook long past the 'expiration date', but finally replaced it with a MacBook Air. If I had the money I would totally pimp out the PBook... OWC Sandforce SSD, a 1400*1050 touch panel, and pull the optical drive to drop in either a larger hard drive or a second battery.

But it is hard to justify spending that kind of money on a tertiary machine, especially when I have a defunct '06 MBP sitting in the closet right next to it.
 

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I have a late-2010 i7 Macbook Pro. I threw 8gb of RAM in and sole my intel SSD from my desktop and put it in here, while moving my 500gb drive to the optical drive bay. It's pretty quick and I'm happy.
 

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all of my past apple notebooks have been in perfect condition, and because of that, im able to sell them at what i nearly paid for it. you simply cant do that with any other laptop. this year, im going to stick with my laptop for the time being, as its pretty damn fast (see my sig for specs). now that i have an ocz vertex 3 on the way (hurry up amazon!), ill probably never upgrade until this machine is totally outdated.
 

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all of my past apple notebooks have been in perfect condition, and because of that, im able to sell them at what i nearly paid for it. you simply cant do that with any other laptop. this year, im going to stick with my laptop for the time being, as its pretty damn fast (see my sig for specs). now that i have an ocz vertex 3 on the way (hurry up amazon!), ill probably never upgrade until this machine is totally outdated.

Yeah, I'm pretty jealous my i7 isn't Sandy Bridge. I wouldn't think you'd need to upgrade for a while!
 

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Happy with the 13" MBP, and I'm only going to make a new purchase/upgrade after the following criteria are met .... ->
1) SSD prices approach $0.5/GB
2) The discrete graphics on the 13" get good enough to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1600
3) higher resolution panel becomes cheaper
4) battery life remains the same/improves slightly
5) CD/DVD drive bay is no more

Praying that my dreams come true in 2014
 

TheStu

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Happy with the 13" MBP, and I'm only going to make a new purchase/upgrade after the following criteria are met .... ->
1) SSD prices approach $0.5/GB
2) The discrete graphics on the 13" get good enough to run 2560x1440 or 2560x1600
3) higher resolution panel becomes cheaper
4) battery life remains the same/improves slightly
5) CD/DVD drive bay is no more

Praying that my dreams come true in 2014

1: Can't help you there
2: The MBA can drive the 27" 2560*1440 display
3: The 13" Air has a 1440*900 panel, greater than the MBP
4: Both the Air and Pro are rated for 7 hours of battery life
5: Air doesn't have one

The 13" Air is a little bit more money than the 13" Pro, but honestly I would expect that by this time next year the 13" Pro will not exist anymore. And if they can find a way to cram a decently powerful discrete card into a 15" Air, then I imagine we will see that with maybe 2 Thunderbolt ports or an extra USB port.

I can't say how the battery life is going to change on the 13" Air when they drop in Sandy Bridge, but hopefully it will stay the same. And that is going to be the flagship mac portable going forward I bet. In fact I think that the MBA is going to be the flagship Mac going forward period. Thin, light, powerful, and with iCloud and Lion... pretty damned sweet.
 

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Our Apple laptops last forever, I usually buy a "new to me" refurb of the newest model and then pass my current one down to my wife and down to other members of the family until they die off. My mother in law has my original core duo macbook pro and uses it daily.

Coincidentally I have a 13" macbook pro up for sale, last generation. Decent exterior condition, it was a trade for some parts from a client when he thought it was dead and out of warranty. We ended up ordering a logic board and some cables and it is good to go.
 

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MacBook Pros are definitely good laptops, but they're overpriced. The ThinkPad T420, I think, is better overall in terms of build quality and costs less. I happen to like the design more, too.

Nothing bad with MBPs, but they're too expensive for what they are.
 
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MacBook Pros are definitely good laptops, but they're overpriced. The ThinkPad T420, I think, is better overall in terms of build quality and costs less. I happen to like the design more, too.

Nothing bad with MBPs, but they're too expensive for what they are.

As it happens I like OSX, but I also like the MBP design much better than any PC laptop. As I said in the OP, I had a ThinkPad T-series (I think it was a T61 widescreen) and absolutely hated it ergonomically. Also their tech support was just shockingly bad (particularly since Lenovo trumpets its American-based call centers as an advantage over competitors). They were completely ignorant and obnoxious to the point that they actually implied I might be lying about the fact that my machine would lose its wireless signal whenever a sound played. The whole experience was one of the biggest turn-offs of any major purchase I've ever made, and I would almost certainly never buy another ThinkPad.

"Overpriced" fails to take resale value into account - Macs hold their value really well, whereas no PC laptop really does. Last year I sold my 4-year-old white MacBook for $550 - I can't imagine a 4-year-old Thinkpad would sell for more than half its original retail price.

I guess I don't think price should be a deciding factor in choosing something I will use as heavily as I use my laptops anyway. I want a pleasant user experience more than I want to save a few hundred bucks. This is the same reason I prefer driving a BMW rather than an Accord, which would undeniably be cheaper and more reliable.
 
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1: Can't help you there
2: The MBA can drive the 27" 2560*1440 display
3: The 13" Air has a 1440*900 panel, greater than the MBP
4: Both the Air and Pro are rated for 7 hours of battery life
5: Air doesn't have one
2) While you can hookup the MBP/MBA to a 2560x1440+ screen it struggles to do even some basic graphic tasks. I remember even playing high resolution video on the U3011 was choppy.
3) Yes the MBA does have that option, but I prefer the MBP
4) Yep I'm happy with the battery life, but a little more is never bad
 

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2) While you can hookup the MBP/MBA to a 2560x1440+ screen it struggles to do even some basic graphic tasks. I remember even playing high resolution video on the U3011 was choppy.
3) Yes the MBA does have that option, but I prefer the MBP
4) Yep I'm happy with the battery life, but a little more is never bad

I haven't hooked up to a big monitor in a while, but my MBA never struggled to play 1080p video on my 1080p monitor. This is in closed lid mode by the way. It depends on the encoding, quicktime playback is better than VLC for resource usage.

Any particular reason why you prefer the MBP? Is it the keyboard backlighting (will probably come back to the Air in a later update), the firewire (replaced by Thunderbolt) what exactly?

Definitely never bad to have more battery life.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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As it happens I like OSX, but I also like the MBP design much better than any PC laptop. As I said in the OP, I had a ThinkPad T-series (I think it was a T61 widescreen) and absolutely hated it ergonomically. Also their tech support was just shockingly bad (particularly since Lenovo trumpets its American-based call centers as an advantage over competitors). They were completely ignorant and obnoxious to the point that they actually implied I might be lying about the fact that my machine would lose its wireless signal whenever a sound played. The whole experience was one of the biggest turn-offs of any major purchase I've ever made, and I would almost certainly never buy another ThinkPad.

"Overpriced" fails to take resale value into account - Macs hold their value really well, whereas no PC laptop really does. Last year I sold my 4-year-old white MacBook for $550 - I can't imagine a 4-year-old Thinkpad would sell for more than half its original retail price.

I guess I don't think price should be a deciding factor in choosing something I will use as heavily as I use my laptops anyway. I want a pleasant user experience more than I want to save a few hundred bucks. This is the same reason I prefer driving a BMW rather than an Accord, which would undeniably be cheaper and more reliable.

Your arguments are basically: 1) I had a bad personal issue with Lenovo that is not reflected in consumer surveys and 2) I want to sell an old laptop which will probably have comparable specs to a new one for the same price as the new one. If you buy an old 4-year-old laptop that costed $1200 for $600, you're a complete fool.

As for the user experience, that's completely subjective. I used a Mac for three years, sold it and put some additional money towards the ASUS laptop I have now. Couldn't be happier. In my experience Windows 7 is just as good as Mac OS X, but some say otherwise.

Your European vs Japanese car argument is very overused and holds no candle to reality when you look at the facts. When you buy a Mac, you're not buying anything that is tangibly better as far as quality goes. ASUS laptops are just as reliable as Macs and cost less, not to mention they also have good customer support. ThinkPads are also quality laptops.

MacBook Pros are good. Apple just needs a reality check and to lower their price for me and others to consider them.
 

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I haven't hooked up to a big monitor in a while, but my MBA never struggled to play 1080p video on my 1080p monitor. This is in closed lid mode by the way. It depends on the encoding, quicktime playback is better than VLC for resource usage.

Any particular reason why you prefer the MBP? Is it the keyboard backlighting (will probably come back to the Air in a later update), the firewire (replaced by Thunderbolt) what exactly?

Definitely never bad to have more battery life.
Interesting I didn't know that quicktime is better than VLC for resource usage. The scenario was, my MBP with 320m was connected to a U3011: both monitors on, so total resolution of 1280x800 + 2560x1600, and there definitely was major lag.

I guess MBP > MBA for me is for a bunch o personal preferences. Better processor/RAM at a better price point, bigger HDD (the MBP is my only machine now), firewire port, backlit keyboard.

Don't feel like paying the premium for the extra thin casing, I'm happy with the MBP casing
 
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Your arguments are basically: 1) I had a bad personal issue with Lenovo that is not reflected in consumer surveys and 2) I want to sell an old laptop which will probably have comparable specs to a new one for the same price as the new one. If you buy an old 4-year-old laptop that costed $1200 for $600, you're a complete fool.

As for the user experience, that's completely subjective. I used a Mac for three years, sold it and put some additional money towards the ASUS laptop I have now. Couldn't be happier. In my experience Windows 7 is just as good as Mac OS X, but some say otherwise.

Your European vs Japanese car argument is very overused and holds no candle to reality when you look at the facts. When you buy a Mac, you're not buying anything that is tangibly better as far as quality goes. ASUS laptops are just as reliable as Macs and cost less, not to mention they also have good customer support. ThinkPads are also quality laptops.

MacBook Pros are good. Apple just needs a reality check and to lower their price for me and others to consider them.

I don't understand your point vis a vis resale. The fact that I can sell a 4-year-old Mac for a high percentage of its purchase price means that it offsets the initial increment in purchase price. I wouldn't buy a 4-year-old laptop at all, much less for $600, but obviously others will, and the very high resale value of Macs offsets their higher initial purchase price.

As for my experience with Lenovo, ergonomics are subjective but after years with the enormous MB/MBP touchpad I find it a huge step backwards in ergonomics every time I use a Thinkpad. Their customer service was just horrific too. Yes, the latter is a case-specific thing but it's not what I expect when I drop $2K on a laptop. The bottom line is I don't feel Lenovo deserves my money. Also, from a customer service perspective nobody else does what Apple does - there are something like 8 Apple stores within 20 miles of my house, and any one of them can service my computer. Beats the hell out of sending it across the country for service.

You've really made my point for me with respect to the car analogy. As I said, I prefer the user experience and feel of my MBP over any other laptop on the market. It's not a matter of reliability, it's a matter of personal preference. My BMWs are certainly LESS reliable than Japanese cars - I just like them better and find them more satisfying to drive.

Obviously each of us should buy whatever we want, but to me price is a secondary issue when I'm talking about something I will be handling for hours every day.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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I don't understand your point vis a vis resale. The fact that I can sell a 4-year-old Mac for a high percentage of its purchase price means that it offsets the initial increment in purchase price. I wouldn't buy a 4-year-old laptop at all, much less for $600, but obviously others will, and the very high resale value of Macs offsets their higher initial purchase price.

As for my experience with Lenovo, ergonomics are subjective but after years with the enormous MB/MBP touchpad I find it a huge step backwards in ergonomics every time I use a Thinkpad. Their customer service was just horrific too. Yes, the latter is a case-specific thing but it's not what I expect when I drop $2K on a laptop. The bottom line is I don't feel Lenovo deserves my money. Also, from a customer service perspective nobody else does what Apple does - there are something like 8 Apple stores within 20 miles of my house, and any one of them can service my computer. Beats the hell out of sending it across the country for service.

You've really made my point for me with respect to the car analogy. As I said, I prefer the user experience and feel of my MBP over any other laptop on the market. It's not a matter of reliability, it's a matter of personal preference. My BMWs are certainly LESS reliable than Japanese cars - I just like them better and find them more satisfying to drive.

Obviously each of us should buy whatever we want, but to me price is a secondary issue when I'm talking about something I will be handling for hours every day.

More recycled arguments, again. Your bad experience with Lenovo's customer service doesn't hold a candle to what studies have found. Apple is still the best in customer service, but Lenovo comes a close second. We're not talking about HP here.

Also, I think many will agree: TrackPoint>Trackpad. Personal preference is mostly due to your own bias and doesn't translate into anything objective or concrete, which is what I was asking for.

But again, Macs are very good overall machines. They're just overpriced.
 
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