my mom just tried to tell me not to smoke...

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: caitlion


and yeah, i obviously think im invincible especially with my heart and stomach problems.

Hahahaha...you have a heart problem and you think smoking once in a while is ok? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

that's awesome. :beer:

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: pyonir

Originally posted by: caitlion

and yeah, i obviously think im invincible especially with my heart and stomach problems.

Hahahaha...you have a heart problem and you think smoking once in a while is ok? HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

that's awesome. :beer:

Where have you been hiding?

Cheers pyonir :beer:

 

[pyonir]

No where Zim...you just need to open your eyes a little more.

Cheers! :beer:

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: pyonir
No where Zim...you just need to open your eyes a little more.

Cheers! :beer:

Maybe it's the :beer: , but I just haven't seen your nick around lately

Cheers pyonir :beer:

 

[iliopsoas]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: Mill



Jesus fvcking Christ people. Those are pooled or meta-analysis of the SAME TWO studies that have been discredited. I've got no doubt that primary smoking is incredibly deadly, but as far as second hand smoke there is NOT a lot of evidence at least evidence that is credible.

Discredited by whom? By the tobacco industry? Or smokers who are in denial?

These 2 studies, while not randomised-controlled trials, are rather solid. These large case-control studies confirm anecdotal experiences of physicians who have observed many children and asthmatics suffer from second-hand smoke. Randomised-controlled trials are not practical in this application as the period of follow-up is very lengthy. Case-control studies are ok as long as the statistical analysis is done in a stringent manner and the variables are carefully screened to avoid confounding.

If you want to discredit those 2 studies, I'd like to hear your analysis.

The WHO study was based on the EPA study, and the EPA study cherry-picked data and had a pre-conceived conclusion.

Care to give examples of "cherry-picked" data? Or is that a cop out?

Examples of pre-conceived conclusions? Or are those hypotheses that were supported by the data?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: iliopsoas

Originally posted by: Mill



Jesus fvcking Christ people. Those are pooled or meta-analysis of the SAME TWO studies that have been discredited. I've got no doubt that primary smoking is incredibly deadly, but as far as second hand smoke there is NOT a lot of evidence at least evidence that is credible.

Discredited by whom? By the tobacco industry? Or smokers who are in denial?

These 2 studies, while not randomised-controlled trials, are rather solid. These large case-control studies confirm anecdotal experiences of physicians who have observed many children and asthmatics suffer from second-hand smoke. Randomised-controlled trials are not practical in this application as the period of follow-up is very lengthy. Case-control studies are ok as long as the statistical analysis is done in a stringent manner and the variables are carefully screened to avoid confounding.

If you want to discredit those 2 studies, I'd like to hear your analysis.

The WHO study was based on the EPA study, and the EPA study cherry-picked data and had a pre-conceived conclusion.

Care to give examples of "cherry-picked" data? Or is that a cop out?

Examples of pre-conceived conclusions? Or are those hypotheses that were supported by the data?

I'm going on well known criticisms of the report. Your beef is with the scientists that discredited it and not me.

 

[sc0tty8]

Originally posted by: caitlion
she has quit before and has always gone back, if she cared that much she would have quit.

anyway, im not a big smoker. i smoke occasionally. and no, not to look cool. its relaxing. i just like it. this wasnt meant to be a thread where all the nonsmokers can come and yell at me alright?

I have quit and gone back.

Trying to wquit smoking is like trying not to pee ever. Once your hooked, it is very hard to stop, I use to smoke a pack, sometimes 2 packs a day, I am down to about 3-4 packs a week....
\
I smoke cuz

A.) I am 22, I know beter
B.) It relieves stress
C.) I have my own house, I live under my own roof, and I follow my own rules. I moved out of my moms at age 17 cuz I didn;t like ehr rules, one of which, no smoking.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: caitlion
she asked my why i had cigarettes and i didnt really answer and she kept asking if i smoked. then shes like "do you want me to take them from you?" (wtf?!) and i was all "uhhh no why would i want you to take them?" and shes said "because you really really dont want them"...

but she smokes. how can you tell your kids to do something that you do ALL the time? isnt that just a little hypocritical?

you are either:


1. 12
2. attention whore
3. retarded


pick 2.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: caitlion
she asked my why i had cigarettes and i didnt really answer and she kept asking if i smoked. then shes like "do you want me to take them from you?" (wtf?!) and i was all "uhhh no why would i want you to take them?" and shes said "because you really really dont want them"...

but she smokes. how can you tell your kids to do something that you do ALL the time? isnt that just a little hypocritical?

you are either:

1. 12
2. attention whore
3. retarded

pick 2.

Decisions...decisions

 

[melly]

lock this fvcking thread already

 

[TreyRandom]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: caitlion
she asked my why i had cigarettes and i didnt really answer and she kept asking if i smoked. then shes like "do you want me to take them from you?" (wtf?!) and i was all "uhhh no why would i want you to take them?" and shes said "because you really really dont want them"...

but she smokes. how can you tell your kids to do something that you do ALL the time? isnt that just a little hypocritical?

you are either:

1. 12
2. attention whore
3. retarded

pick 2.

Decisions...decisions

Well, since she has already said in this thread that she's 17, all you would have to do is use process of elimination.

Ah, couldn't resist - the humorous response was just sitting there, waiting to be said.

Caitlion, regardless of how hypocritical you may think your mother is, and regardless how wrong you think her assessment of you and your "smoking relaxation" is, your mother loves you and is only providing advice. She's a parent - what loving parent wouldn't give their child advice? She knows smoking is bad for you AND her. She's not hypocritical - she's addicted. I'm sure that if she had the ability to turn back time and choose never to start smoking, she would do so in a heartbeat.

Plus, whoever is supplying you with cigs is breaking the law - for a few more months, anyway. But who cares about that, right? It's not your life if they go to jail.

When you're 18, light 'em up, if you must. Smoke yourself crosseyed. But, for now, I would suggest two things (and again, these are only suggestions - feel free to ignore them at your whim). One, please respect your mom's wishes, for now. You don't have to agree with her advice, but you should respect her enough to do what she asks while you're living in her house and still a minor. Two, please see your mom's actions for what they ARE and not for what they are NOT... your mom's not trying to blindly assert control of you or simply telling you what to do for no reason... your mom is simply trying to help... the best way she knows how.

Then again, if you won't listen to your mom, who loves you, why in the world would you listen to me?