My nephew just may have won the darwin award

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rsutoratosu

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Right i do agree that the parent should have force him go wear helmet. As i was told this happened a few weeks ago where he rode into the streets without one and guess who got blame? The older brother. Instead of punishing the him for riding into the streets they yell and hit the older brother. Lots of fails here
 

Jaskalas

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Right i do agree that the parent should have force him go wear helmet. As i was told this happened a few weeks ago where he rode into the streets without one and guess who got blame? The older brother. Instead of punishing the him for riding into the streets they yell and hit the older brother. Lots of fails here

You never told CPS?
 

JTsyo

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1. Bike helmets are required in about half the states:
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/laws/helmet_laws.html
Based on your IP, if your nephew lives in that state, or most of the neighboring states, his parents should have known it was the law & could have simply used the "I know you don't like it, but it's the law."
2. Saying they're not well off... and a couple posts later, whining about the price of gas to drive to Target?
3. Agreed, you sound kind of callous toward your family, but I understand that if circumstances have been similar over the years, it's kind of natural.
4. I'm really, really annoyed that there are people with children* who don't have health insurance for the kids. There's no excuse.

*I make exceptions for the Amish. They (at least the ones around here) pay their medical bills. Going to a benefit auction for that very purpose tomorrow. Might buy a storage shed or something - great Amish family; I chat with them frequently. One of the daughters cracked her head open, flown by helicopter, emergency surgery, etc. The whole Amish community comes together to help - sort of like an insurance policy - they pool their risks, but don't keep the money quite as liquid, though it only took 2 or 3 weeks to organize the auction.

Glad to hear they are willing to be allowed to be helped rather than those who rather die than stop praying.

OP I get you don't think highly of the family but it's still a little boy. My best wishes on a speedy recovery.
 

nanette1985

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The Amish have some good things like that. Not many people in our society have that sense of community. They aren't fat and aren't lazy tits like many of us. Of course, when you can't use gas it means you gotta work, too!

There are plenty of Amish in the Darwin Award Club. Not all of the Amish are Einsteins.
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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What's your point? Surely it isn't that kids shouldn't need to wear helmets because you got lucky and never injured yourself by being stupid and not wearing one.

For the record, my mom made me wear a helmet when I was a young kid. By the time I was 10, I was smart enough to understand why I should do it. Plenty of kids made fun of me, but that never bothered me. Teach your kids the reasons why they should do things instead of simply demanding that they listen. I've been employing that system with my kids and I can already see it working even though they're still very young.

My point was rather obvious: just because helmets exist for that purpose doesn't mean not having one is all "ZOMG I'm going to die!" Even having a crash without one isn't "ZOMG I'm going to die!" It's a bicycle not a motorcycle, and this is coming from a motorcyclist who always wears all the gear all the time.

You have to remove yourself from the gene pool either by death or by inability to reproduce to win the Darwin Award.
 

SlitheryDee

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I think you have to be future Darwin Award winner to think this thread was going to work out in your favor.
 

DrPizza

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40 years old never wore a helmet. I turned out fine.
Just a little older than you. Witnesses said that it was 3 complete cartwheels down the road on my bike. It was suggested that if the kids bike seat wasn't on the back, it would have been far worse for me. That thing was pile-driven into the road. Had a child been in that seat, it could have killed the child. Bent frame, totally destroyed both rims, the clip things for my feet were destroyed. Knee cap was perpendicular to my leg, probable small fracture to my shoulder, but that was about the only place not x-rayed. And most importantly, a bike helmet; the outside mangled, and the inside split right in half. I never ride without a bike helmet.
 

Ruptga

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Just a little older than you. Witnesses said that it was 3 complete cartwheels down the road on my bike. It was suggested that if the kids bike seat wasn't on the back, it would have been far worse for me. That thing was pile-driven into the road. Had a child been in that seat, it could have killed the child. Bent frame, totally destroyed both rims, the clip things for my feet were destroyed. Knee cap was perpendicular to my leg, probable small fracture to my shoulder, but that was about the only place not x-rayed. And most importantly, a bike helmet; the outside mangled, and the inside split right in half. I never ride without a bike helmet.

Yeah, someone needs to read up on survivorship bias. Now, DrPizza, how did you manage to do all that on a bike with a kid's seat on the back, hit a deer?
 

TridenT

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I wore a helmet when I was a kid. The thing is, I wore this like skateboard type of helmet... It was super fucking comfortable and fit like hand in glove. I put it on and I was like, "Wow, my head feels better when I actually wear this. Amazing."

Get a helmet like that for the kid.

I don't wear a helmet now though. Mostly because I rather die than suffer the shame of a bad bicycle crash at this point in my life.
 

MrDudeMan

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40 years old never wore a helmet. I turned out fine.

It's infuriating how stupid a person has to be to make this kind of argument. All this means is you were lucky enough to never fall off of your bike and hit your head. Had you done that without a helmet, your chances of walking away unscathed would have been far, far lower.

This is the same kind of idiocy as saying you don't need homeowners insurance because your house never burned down when you were a kid. Roll the dice if you want, but that doesn't mean homeowners insurance is invalid or pointless. Wearing a bike helmet is the exact same situation. You never needed one, but if you would have been in a situation that needed one, you would likely have been injured very badly.
 

_Rick_

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It's a bicycle not a motorcycle,

That means nothing when a car runs into you and catapults you onto the curb.
The head is so uniquely exposed on the bicycle, that almost every bike accident I had, or been told about, involved head injuries of differing degrees.

Going without a helmet is idiotic.

When I was that boy's age I hated helmets as well. Because the one I had was ugly, stuffy, and didn't fit right. Ever since I buy my own helmets, they don't even bother me anymore, because they are airy, comfy and fit my noggin.

Now, luckily I hadn't had an accident involving a helmet in a while, but I did take a few sideways dives, and every time that happens, there's a risk I hit something with my head first.

And I don't even expect that helmet to do a whole lot of good, if I lose control of the bike on a descent at 50 mph.
 

MrDudeMan

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My point was rather obvious: just because helmets exist for that purpose doesn't mean not having one is all "ZOMG I'm going to die!" Even having a crash without one isn't "ZOMG I'm going to die!" It's a bicycle not a motorcycle, and this is coming from a motorcyclist who always wears all the gear all the time.

You have to remove yourself from the gene pool either by death or by inability to reproduce to win the Darwin Award.

See my response to soulcougher73. Also, see ADDAvenger's post about survivorship bias. I asked what your point was mostly as a rhetorical question - I knew what your point was and hoped by pointing out that it was horribly conceived that you'd come up with something better. It could easily be "ZOMG I'm going to die!" the first time you have an accident on a bike considering how fragile a human head is.
 

rockyct

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My point was rather obvious: just because helmets exist for that purpose doesn't mean not having one is all "ZOMG I'm going to die!" Even having a crash without one isn't "ZOMG I'm going to die!" It's a bicycle not a motorcycle, and this is coming from a motorcyclist who always wears all the gear all the time.

You have to remove yourself from the gene pool either by death or by inability to reproduce to win the Darwin Award.
One could argue that if the child were to die, it would be more of a Darwin Award for the parents since they deserve all the blame right now. Yes, the child was being stupid, but he is a child. The parents should not have let him on a bike without a helmet on.
 

CZroe

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See my response to soulcougher73. Also, see ADDAvenger's post about survivorship bias. I asked what your point was mostly as a rhetorical question - I knew what your point was and hoped by pointing out that it was horribly conceived that you'd come up with something better. It could easily be "ZOMG I'm going to die!" the first time you have an accident on a bike considering how fragile a human head is.
Bikes are inherently low-speed. It is not "horribly conceived" to say that they require less precautions to ride safely as the potential risk is MUCH lower. People have always blown it way out of proportion. "Easily?" Just because it's easily possible doesn't make it easily likely. Kids do other things that can "easily" hurt their heads, like play ball, climb trees, erect forts, build rope swings over swimming holes, sled, skate, and snowball-fight. Just how "easily" also depends on other factors. Many parents don't let their kids ride their bikes in the road in the first place which goes much farther towards protecting their precious heads.

The effort is better-spent elsewhere, like motorcycles in states without helmet laws and parkour. Seriously: free-running is extremely dangerous and yet I don't see anyone pressuring those kids to wear gear.
 

PlasmaBomb

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My SO's nephew got a bike for his birthday a couple of years ago. I bought him a helmet and lego.

*

He is so used to wearing it now it's second nature. He says "grab your helmet" to us when he wants to go out cycling.


*I remember helmets being a lot less cool when I was young.
 

Ruptga

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The effort is better-spent elsewhere, like motorcycles in states without helmet laws and parkour. Seriously: free-running is extremely dangerous and yet I don't see anyone pressuring those kids to wear gear.

"Put on a helmet before you jump over a ten foot gap to land on a rooftop two stories down, it could save your life."

:hmm: :\
 

rsutoratosu

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ok more info, so he hit something on the road and face palm in to the curb on the sidewalk.
impact on the right side of the face.. basically his right eye may be gone or have limited vision.. they're not sure yet..

Surgery on sat was 2 holes drilled and they remove some blood and drain some fluids (translations from grandma, shes not a doctor so no idea). Apparently his brain swell up to a baseball size (grandma translation, no idea if that was even possible), I wasn't allow in so I didn't get to hear what the doctors said.. they limit 4 people and it was mom;dad; 2 grandmas.

Apparently this is the 4th time he fell off the bike without a helmet. I guess you never learn the first 3 times.

So, numerous mri, 4 doctors/surgeons were involved. Because of the impact, orthodontist - jaw issue, eye specialist for eye impact, 2 neurosurgeon for the brain.

Health care isn't cheap, i figure the final cost might be somewhere between 30-100k.

Why you and I should be pissed. Not first or second time, apparently 4th. Tax payers are flipping the bill for this, that is also you and I
 
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