My New AMD rig

[perdomot]

Well I've been running a Phenom X3 8650 cpu on a Gigabyte 780G mobo with an HD3870 vid card for the last week and have to say that I'm very happy. The system is fast and totally stable with a mild OC to 2.5Ghz at default voltages. While I'm sure someone will point out how much better a C2D rig would perform, I haven't been to happy with my Intel experience over the last year or so. Too many glitches and quirks with two different mobos( a P965 and a P35) made this a pain too often. The AMD rig has an almost Mac feeling of stability and just working right so unless you are a benchmarking junkie and you've been thinking of giving AMD another shot, I suggest you go for it.

 

[bryanW1995]

I don't blame you for switching after several bad experiences, but I can say that I personally am very sold on intel right now. their price/performance, especially when overclocking is taken into account, is a LOT better than amd. until I got my e6750 in july07 I hadn't owned an intel cpu since my pIII 700 coppermine, too, so I've had a lot of good times with amd in the past, they're just not competitive at all right now.

 

[YANIV]

hmmm yea i gues the deal is.. if u want to crazily overclock go for intel.. if u want synergy and compatibility and stuff. go amd... im still stuck wid my 3000+ its a good ssytem.. and im happy.. though im eyeing the 4850 wiht possibly a phenom..

 

[perdomot]

Honestly, I'm not sure about AMD not being competitive. Sure you can get higher benchmarks and such but how many people are going to use or even notice the extra power? Let's say you are a gamer and an AMD rig gives you 60fps and an intel rig gives you 90fps. Who is going to notice considering how smooth game play is at 60 fps? If you encode a lot of video or audio, you will definitely notice shorter encode times but what's the difference going to be? According to Anand's own article, you get 2 more fps from a Q6600 encoding to divx than you do from a Phenom X4 9750 and less than 4 fps using my X3 8650. Check it out:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3293&p=7
While you can OC the Q6600 to higher speeds, you take a risk of corrupting data or causing annoying errors in Windows. Maybe I'm just getting old but those little annoyances have become to bothersome to deal with. Personally, with such a small gain, I feel that the stability and smoothness from AMD is worth it. As I said above, it makes me think of those Mac adds about how it "just works."

 

[SlowSpyder]

OP, I am very happy with my Phenom as well. The current Intel stuff certainly does bench higher, but the Phenom is more then fast enough for just about anything. If you don't care about game FPS at 800x600/low settings or sitting with a stop watch as you do encoding work you'll be quite happy with your Phenom. I do wish my Phenom had more overclocking headroom, just for the inner nerd in me (it's plenty fast at 2.5GHz) but as I mentioned above, I think I'd only really notice the difference in benches. I can play any game out today (my PC's primary use) without any problems. Doing every day things on this (internet, office, listen to MP3's, etc.) is a breeze, I don't think you'd be able to tell a difference between this system and a 4.0GHz quad Intel in 99.99% of what I do. This is also my first AMD/ATI based motherboard, so far it's just about the best board I've ever used. Good luck with the new rig.

 

[OCGuy]

So basically what they are trying to say, is an inferior product is OK, because you dont really need chips as good as Intels...because you wont notice the difference?

 

[solog]

dood, you should have got an Intel. They overclock so fast! My friend's sister's cousin's buddy overclocked his and his bluray movies now come out in 1090P instead of 1080!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
So basically what they are trying to say, is an inferior product is OK, because you dont really need chips as good as Intels...because you wont notice the difference?

as much as i dont want to say this.

But thats how its sounding me to as well. :X


AMD is a great system for the budget and middle sector.
Once you get into hobby and enthusiest build, AMD is very short ended.

A lot of custom parts wont fit AMD layouts expecially for water. AMD is also extreme performance limited when you factor in overclocking.

I own both systems, but if i had to do a firesale, Erinyes is the first to go in my arsenal.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
So basically what they are trying to say, is an inferior product is OK, because you dont really need chips as good as Intels...because you wont notice the difference?

I'm not sure if you were referring to me, but if so that's not at all what I meant. What I meant is that the Phenom gets bashed when it's not that bad. The C2D is certainly better in pretty much every respect. All I was trying to say is that the Phenom is still not nearly as bad as many people make it out to be. I'm in no way saying that it's better then the C2D's or that I'd recommend it over a C2D, I'm just saying it's more decent then it gets credit for and good enough for most tasks and will do what most people need.

I also see you've decided to change your sig. Maybe the 4870 will be a little more competitive then you thought.

 

[ultra laser]

I think it's funny you mention Intel related "glitches and quirks" in light of AMD's massive TLB errata.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
So basically what they are trying to say, is an inferior product is OK, because you dont really need chips as good as Intels...because you wont notice the difference?

Originally posted by: solog
dood, you should have got an Intel. They overclock so fast! My friend's sister's cousin's buddy overclocked his and his bluray movies now come out in 1090P instead of 1080!

Harrump! Harrump!

Bow down to your Intel Masters with your inferior AMD Shanty Tech. Your Intel OverLords can do a minute in thirty seconds thereby processing faster than the speed of light and turning back the hands of time. Denounce your mediocrity, become subordinate to your Intel Gods and with time benevolence may be afforded you in the future. (Which technically is the past due to the Intel gravitational time dilation.)

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
So basically what they are trying to say, is an inferior product is OK, because you dont really need chips as good as Intels...because you wont notice the difference?

Originally posted by: solog
dood, you should have got an Intel. They overclock so fast! My friend's sister's cousin's buddy overclocked his and his bluray movies now come out in 1090P instead of 1080!

Harrump! Harrump!

Bow down to your Intel Masters with your inferior AMD Shanty Tech. Your Intel OverLords can do a minute in thirty seconds thereby processing faster than the speed of light and turning back the hands of time. Denounce your mediocrity, become subordinate to your Intel Gods and with time benevolence may be afforded you in the future. (Which technically is the past due to the Intel gravitational time dilation.)

Poor attempts at humor don't take away from what the point of the thread was.....which Im not sure of anymore because of the derailment by said poor attempts at humor.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: YANIV
hmmm yea i gues the deal is.. if u want to crazily overclock go for intel.. if u want synergy and compatibility and stuff. go amd... im still stuck wid my 3000+ its a good ssytem.. and im happy.. though im eyeing the 4850 wiht possibly a phenom..

Ok...sounds like you might as well just buy an Apple. Oh, wait--those use Intel chips too, now!!

 

[nyker96]

down AMD .. down !! ... oops, I let my emotion got the best of me for a sec. :]

Good to see people still building AMDs, why not. I can say that aside from my hobby of upgrading the machine, I actually don't need so much power from the computers practically. If you got a nice rig that performs admirably esp one that just works, it's a very good deal.

 

[aigomorla]

the only person that matters in satisfaction is you.

So if your happy with what you built, then i call it a project well done.

So give yourself a good pat on your back, and enjoy that machine. :T

 

[perdomot]

Interesting remarks, particularly on the "inferior" rig I built. Looks like the Intel fan boys are in a snit that AMD isn't dead. The bottom line is you can still build an excellent rig with AMD gear that plays all the modern games and does daily tasks flawlessly. I doubt anyone could tell the difference between the system just by regular use.

 

[Acanthus]

AMD is slower.

Its not fanboyism.

Its fucking slower.

Slower is not faster, and is therefore not good.

There, i dumbed it down 5 grades for you guys.

 

[kotrtim]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
AMD is slower.

Its not fanboyism.

Its fucking slower.

Slower is not faster, and is therefore not good.

There, i dumbed it down 5 grades for you guys.

(-_-)"

 

[perdomot]

I would say it is fanboyism because even though I state that I know intel rigs are faster, some people feel the need to crap on the thread. The thread is intended for people who might be interested in an AMD so that they have an idea of how a system feels/performs. Since some people cannot resist the need to point out intel's "superiority", I say it is fanboyism. The main reason intel is considered better is the OCing potential of the C2D line. On default speeds, the Phenom line either beats or comes very close to C2D cpus on many tests. This info is right here on Anand's articles. IMHO, if you don't care about an extra couple of seconds off encoding times or frames per second, the AMD line is a good choice. That's the point of this thread.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: perdomot
I would say it is fanboyism because even though I state that I know intel rigs are faster, some people feel the need to crap on the thread.

It is neither fanboyism nor thread crapping to make a post in a thread to correct mistatements in a prior post.

Originally posted by: perdomot
Since some people cannot resist the need to point out intel's "superiority", I say it is fanboyism.

You are intentionally selectively "redefining" the term fanboyism in an attempt to undermine the credibility of any would-be posters whose opinions might disagree with your own.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: perdomot
Interesting remarks, particularly on the "inferior" rig I built. Looks like the Intel fan boys are in a snit that AMD isn't dead. The bottom line is you can still build an excellent rig with AMD gear that plays all the modern games and does daily tasks flawlessly. I doubt anyone could tell the difference between the system just by regular use.

This post was a lightning rod to begin with.

You may as well go into a sportscar forum and say "My Toyota Corolla gets me from point A to point B just as fast as I care to go, so you don't need to buy a sportscar to have a car that will do anything you need to do"

Really what was the point of the thread? It seems from your opening posts that your point was to rile people up.

 

[gplracer]

I have built over 125 systems. 122 have been AMD based systems. Right now I am typing on an MD system that is in my signature. It has been a great system and without fault for 2.5 years. I am sure the system you built will work for you great and be very reliable. For me though I am going to go with an Intel system. I like doing this as a hobby and it will overclock much faster. I think the the Intel 2180 processors are a great value for the money right now considering their overclocking potential and price. On the otherhand the AMD 780G system with integrated HD decoding is a fantastic value for the money if you are budget conscious, want to decode HD video and use the integrated video.

 

[Don66]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: perdomot
Interesting remarks, particularly on the "inferior" rig I built. Looks like the Intel fan boys are in a snit that AMD isn't dead. The bottom line is you can still build an excellent rig with AMD gear that plays all the modern games and does daily tasks flawlessly. I doubt anyone could tell the difference between the system just by regular use.

This post was a lightning rod to begin with.

You may as well go into a sportscar forum and say "My Toyota Corolla gets me from point A to point B just as fast as I care to go, so you don't need to buy a sportscar to have a car that will do anything you need to do"

Really what was the point of the thread? It seems from your opening posts that your point was to rile people up.

Why's his post a lightning rod?
Why should anyone get riled up?
He posted that he was happy with his disiscion about going to AMD rather than Intel.
If anyone gets their ass in a bunch over what the op posted maybe they need to take a walk, go visit a friend..Get a real life...

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: Don66
He posted that he was happy with his disiscion about going to AMD rather than Intel.

That's nice, but why exactly does he need to announce that to the world?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: perdomot
I would say it is fanboyism because even though I state that I know intel rigs are faster, some people feel the need to crap on the thread. The thread is intended for people who might be interested in an AMD so that they have an idea of how a system feels/performs. Since some people cannot resist the need to point out intel's "superiority", I say it is fanboyism. The main reason intel is considered better is the OCing potential of the C2D line. On default speeds, the Phenom line either beats or comes very close to C2D cpus on many tests. This info is right here on Anand's articles. IMHO, if you don't care about an extra couple of seconds off encoding times or frames per second, the AMD line is a good choice. That's the point of this thread.

You have to realize many of us are the same people that were preaching strongly against the pile of crap Pentium 4 vs the A64, and later the Pentium-D vs the X-2.

Im a fan of the fastest chip for the money. AMD is losing that battle in both performance per dollar and overall performance.