My new Surface Pro Tablet

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runawayprisoner

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Hey whats the model of the external battery pack u have?

Im gonna definitely try the new profile.

Thanks!

It's IntoCircuit. Technically it should charge the Surface Pro about 1.5 times, but I've found that it can only reliably push another full charge over.

Not an issue either way. I must say... doubling the battery life of the Surface Pro is already more than enough for me to get by.

Mine gets a little more than twelve but my usage model is a lot of Microsoft office, a lot of YouTube and typical web stuff. If you're doing a lot of photoshop post processing I think that puts your usage above the typical light to medium load since you are now doing computationally heavy work.

On a series of light days (3 hrs of use) I actually forgot to charge it over three days lol.

Well, but that's my usage with the Surface Pro. I hammer it with a lot of pen activities using either Photoshop or OneNote. And then Lightroom also sees an equal amount of effort.

It's more an extension to my main system, though. I always have my rMBP for everything else. Perhaps that's why it works for me even with the pitiful battery life. Lugging along both is actually just the same as when I had my 17" MBP. So I don't have to hit the gym twice as hard...

I bet the MBA shatters your 4-5 hr mark and that's without tweaks.

The Ivy Bridge Air? 11.6"? I sincerely doubt that. I'd believe it if you meant the Haswell Air. But again, put Photoshop on it, run some tasks, and we'll see.
 
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MrX8503

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The Ivy Bridge Air? 11.6"? I sincerely doubt that. I'd believe it if you meant the Haswell Air. But again, put Photoshop on it, run some tasks, and we'll see.

When did I ever say Ivy Bridge Air?

Are you really trying to say the battery life of the Surface pro (which is a dog) is comparable to MBA haswell?
 
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runawayprisoner

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When did I ever say Ivy Bridge Air?

Are you really trying to say the battery life of the Surface pro (which is a dog) is comparable to MBA haswell?

No. But it's comparable to Ivy Bridge Air. At least the 11.6" model.

You're the one suggesting the MacBook Air can "easily" beat that battery life figure, with which I disagree because I have handled almost every generation since 2010, and the 11.6" model is hardly anything to write home about.

Why do I keep mentioning the 11.6" model? Well, because it's closer to the Surface Pro in size. The 13" model is bigger and arguably heavier as well.
 

MrX8503

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No. But it's comparable to Ivy Bridge Air. At least the 11.6" model.

You're the one suggesting the MacBook Air can "easily" beat that battery life figure, with which I disagree because I have handled almost every generation since 2010, and the 11.6" model is hardly anything to write home about.

Why do I keep mentioning the 11.6" model? Well, because it's closer to the Surface Pro in size. The 13" model is bigger and arguably heavier as well.

You're the only one bringing up Ivy Bridge MBA. Not sure why you're stuck in the past.
 

hemi79

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It's IntoCircuit. Technically it should charge the Surface Pro about 1.5 times, but I've found that it can only reliably push another full charge over.

Not an issue either way. I must say... doubling the battery life of the Surface Pro is already more than enough for me to get by.



Well, but that's my usage with the Surface Pro. I hammer it with a lot of pen activities using either Photoshop or OneNote. And then Lightroom also sees an equal amount of effort.

It's more an extension to my main system, though. I always have my rMBP for everything else. Perhaps that's why it works for me even with the pitiful battery life. Lugging along both is actually just the same as when I had my 17" MBP. So I don't have to hit the gym twice as hard...



The Ivy Bridge Air? 11.6"? I sincerely doubt that. I'd believe it if you meant the Haswell Air. But again, put Photoshop on it, run some tasks, and we'll see.

What is the r in "rMBP"? I can say that the Macs have a cool feel to it. If I had some extra cash I would probably get one. And it would be the air. I carried a 15" laptop or I should say a 5lb laptop for a good while during my first degree and I never want to do that again.

Yeah the IntoCircuit is the one I found for $200. I will be getting that sometime soon. I do hate carrying around the charger. Its too bad the others don't have the adapter for the Surface.

I really think the learning curve to Windows 8 is what is killing it. I have learned how to use it more a more and its enjoyable. I hope 8.1 helps out with that.
 

TuxDave

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What is the r in "rMBP"?.

The "r" means "retina display" or basically the high resolution display. Not all Macbook Pros have a retina display and so rMBP is for the Macbook Pro w/ Retina Display.
 

hemi79

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The "r" means "retina display" or basically the high resolution display. Not all Macbook Pros have a retina display and so rMBP is for the Macbook Pro w/ Retina Display.


ahhhh yes, dropped the ball on that one.

thanks.
 

runawayprisoner

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You're the only one bringing up Ivy Bridge MBA. Not sure why you're stuck in the past.

Because the future doesn't look like it's going to be much different. Surface Pro 2 with Haswell shows 7 hours of run time. That's not unexpected at all because in the end, the screen still consumes a fair amount of power.

And if you want to compare, again, run Photoshop on the Haswell MBA 11.6", then plug a Wacom Intuous4 in and sketch with a 8.5" x 11" canvas at 600ppi, then let me know if it can break past the 4-5 hours runtime of the tweaked Surface Pro.

Last time I tried that on the 2012 Air, it barely lasted 3.

What is the r in "rMBP"? I can say that the Macs have a cool feel to it. If I had some extra cash I would probably get one. And it would be the air. I carried a 15" laptop or I should say a 5lb laptop for a good while during my first degree and I never want to do that again.

Yeah the IntoCircuit is the one I found for $200. I will be getting that sometime soon. I do hate carrying around the charger. Its too bad the others don't have the adapter for the Surface.

I really think the learning curve to Windows 8 is what is killing it. I have learned how to use it more a more and its enjoyable. I hope 8.1 helps out with that.

I would advise against the Air simply because its screen tech is horribly outdated compared to what's on the Surface Pro, and not to mention you're losing out on the touch screen and digitizer, which are useful for note-taking.

You can buy the IntoCircuit battery for $100 on Amazon. Then you can buy the adapter for something like $30...

It really does make a difference.
 

MrX8503

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Because the future doesn't look like it's going to be much different. Surface Pro 2 with Haswell shows 7 hours of run time. That's not unexpected at all because in the end, the screen still consumes a fair amount of power.

And if you want to compare, again, run Photoshop on the Haswell MBA 11.6", then plug a Wacom Intuous4 in and sketch with a 8.5" x 11" canvas at 600ppi, then let me know if it can break past the 4-5 hours runtime of the tweaked Surface Pro.

Last time I tried that on the 2012 Air, it barely lasted 3.

Lol, you're too much.
 

desura

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I'm running an RT.

So, a few things...

1. Pretty impressed with flash support. I like to watch a few shows on the net. On android, you get a gimped mobile version. On the Windows RT you get the fulldesktop version. On youtube you can even select the quality you want to see.

2. Store doesn't appear to allow for text searches for apps.

3. I've love to be able to play blu-rays on this thing. It can see the blu-ray drive, but there's no blu-ray decryption in Win8. I used to be able to hack VLC on my pc to view blu-rays, but there's no VLC for this thing. Appears that you can only get apps through the central store, and there doesn't seem to be anything for blu-ray. Still, if one day MS decided to license blu-ray for Win8, this would be pretty cool as a blu-ray viewing machine.

4. I seem to have...Office '13 preview. No idea what the preview version means.
 

Chrono

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What I'm shocked by is... that there is the future RT version coming out too... apparently MS is going to be unifying Windows Phone and RT stores together... still doesn't mean shit since the Windows store sucks ass and everything is overpriced.
 

ChronoReverse

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I'm interested in the Surface Pro 2 just like I was with the original Pro but on the caveat of battery life again. If _this_ time it's 8 hours then I'll probably pick one up.
 

RagingBITCH

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I'm running an RT.

So, a few things...

1. Pretty impressed with flash support. I like to watch a few shows on the net. On android, you get a gimped mobile version. On the Windows RT you get the fulldesktop version. On youtube you can even select the quality you want to see.

2. Store doesn't appear to allow for text searches for apps.

3. I've love to be able to play blu-rays on this thing. It can see the blu-ray drive, but there's no blu-ray decryption in Win8. I used to be able to hack VLC on my pc to view blu-rays, but there's no VLC for this thing. Appears that you can only get apps through the central store, and there doesn't seem to be anything for blu-ray. Still, if one day MS decided to license blu-ray for Win8, this would be pretty cool as a blu-ray viewing machine.

4. I seem to have...Office '13 preview. No idea what the preview version means.

2 - swipe from the right hand side and use the Search. It's an annoying feature but it's there.
 

Imaginer

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2 - swipe from the right hand side and use the Search. It's an annoying feature but it's there.

The charms bar is like the "File Edit... Help" menu but for apps... it functions for them change such as "Settings" activate the settings for the app of which you are on when you pull the charm bar.

A different but usable dichotomy that is 8. Settings in modern land could use the fullness and featureness of the desktop control panel though.

And in search, you can select a different search catagory. Which will pull up it's corresponding app.
 

ChronoReverse

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And this highlights the problem of "discoverability" that seems to have been kicked to the curb by a lot of designers recently.

If they had simply put a thin "handle" on the edge/corners, that would have been enough for users to clue in that maybe it's something they should try touching. And then you can have the option to autohide it if the user wants to reclaim the few pixels it would take.

But instead we have invisible controls leading to questions all the time. A tutorial really isn't enough because while I tend to read those, most people I know just skip past them as fast as possible.
 

hemi79

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Because the future doesn't look like it's going to be much different. Surface Pro 2 with Haswell shows 7 hours of run time. That's not unexpected at all because in the end, the screen still consumes a fair amount of power.

And if you want to compare, again, run Photoshop on the Haswell MBA 11.6", then plug a Wacom Intuous4 in and sketch with a 8.5" x 11" canvas at 600ppi, then let me know if it can break past the 4-5 hours runtime of the tweaked Surface Pro.

Last time I tried that on the 2012 Air, it barely lasted 3.



I would advise against the Air simply because its screen tech is horribly outdated compared to what's on the Surface Pro, and not to mention you're losing out on the touch screen and digitizer, which are useful for note-taking.

You can buy the IntoCircuit battery for $100 on Amazon. Then you can buy the adapter for something like $30...

It really does make a difference.

Excellent point and info about adding the pen to the MBA, awesome. Oh and i wouldn't buy the MBA instead of the Surface Pro. Not a chance. I agree with the superb screen of the surface and its pen. I like everything about it really. Its just about learning Windows 8 at this point. But its going well.

Thanks for all the info.
 

runawayprisoner

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No problem!

My main beef with the device was with battery life as well, but since I'm getting consistently 4-5 hours of heavy Photoshop and OneNote action, I can't quite complain.

I'll wait and see if the Haswell version delivers on its battery life estimates (it has to be at least 7 hours without tweaks). If it does, it'll likely be worth the upgrade for me. Also because I know I can squeeze more out of the battery by performing the same power management tweak.

Or maybe M$ is already doing that power management tweak, and that's why the device has 7 hours of battery life...
 

Imaginer

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And this highlights the problem of "discoverability" that seems to have been kicked to the curb by a lot of designers recently.

If they had simply put a thin "handle" on the edge/corners, that would have been enough for users to clue in that maybe it's something they should try touching. And then you can have the option to autohide it if the user wants to reclaim the few pixels it would take.

But instead we have invisible controls leading to questions all the time. A tutorial really isn't enough because while I tend to read those, most people I know just skip past them as fast as possible.

The thing is, when you first run a fresh install of 8, or first time power up a touchscreen 8 device, it gave you a hint or cue to use the edge of the screen. Granted, I first thought to swipe the sides immediately.

Being adept at my tools, this was not a problem transition.

Could this hint be a big blunt hammer to those who need absolute hand holding and those who aren't willing to play, yet play around with rooting and such? Perhaps. But again, this is what I observed. And it is like consumers aren't allowed to play in full with 8, Best Buy of all places allowed me to install Painter on a Surface Pro to see how it works. And to test the current driver at the time.

And while not an absolute deal breaker (knowing full well this is the same digitizer in the penabled Wacom) I was gladly forthcoming to pare down from a 15 inch laptop (with twice the RAM and personally upgraded SSD that was twice the storage of my Surface Pro) and a Kindle Fire (and was heavily considering the HD model) to something unified, consolidated, and a bit more manipulative while fully knowing the costs in performance tradeoffs in some areas. (quick comparative numbers showed my previous laptop's dGPU was some numbers shy ahead of the iGPU of the Surface Pro.

Had I listened to absolute degree of what analysts and reviewers have voiced, I wouldn't have decided for myself the tools at hand in their function. I took them to consideration but ultimately, you can always try the devices out.

With 8, it takes a more flexible mind to play and work, but in my personal opinion, it is for the better. It may not be full on tinkering like traditional computer hobbyists are used to, but it isn't like the options are excluded. I heard Android and Linux can be booted to on many PCs.

Along with traditional drag mices and drag pointing devices being used to travel more distance to the screen edges and within the star screen. But I already mentioned (even during the last legs of XP and through 7 on my PC connected to a HDTV) I have learned, gotten used to, and realized that for a problem of living room PC control, the trackball was already existing - and for quite some time now. I adopted the solution, and went with it.

What seems the problem here, is that people think the modern stuff is forced. On my cheaply upgraded 'desktops' (clearly, one is a work/game station by a couch; the other by a TV display) I am almost always on the desktop mode. Barring short excursions to Windows Mail and using the Start screen for shortcuts I pinned there, I don't see forced anywhere. It feels forced if you can't find a way to work with it and stuck in one method of control.
 
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MrX8503

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He's asking you to do your own real world test, instead of just dicking around and reading stuff.

He's comparing a surface pro which has terrible battery life to haswell. Before that he kept brining up MBA Ivy, which none else mentioned. Enough said.
 
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Imaginer

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Thoughts on this article?

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...s-short-of-retina-ipad-but-outperforms-ipad-2

something about how the surface's lcd screen overachieves for its resolution.

It is a good thing in some aspects. Doing creative work or using it as a desktop mode, I appreciate the increased resolution density.

And I much rather have that (pun intended?) window and leg room. Numbers do not mean everything. It just needs to be within an acceptable metric and for the purposes it resolves.

Hence why the Surface RT is only at 720p.
 
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