My next vehicle purchase - fun vs responsibility vs stupid

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TridenT

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0% 60 months on 2015 Prius as well. I just checked the Cali market, and they aren't offering it out there though.

Re: no credit history, toyota financial is very easy to finance thru. That is what their new grad program is all about. Iirc, you just need proof of graduation, and your job offer paperwork.
They have like zero risk on you, it's a toyota, they just repo it and sell it for $5 off as certified used.

Ah, I see. Well, either way, it's still out of my budget. It'd be nice to have a new car but I don't feel like spending $25-30k on a car. I'll be trying to get something like a 2010 Toyota Prius IV with the solar package for $15k. (Seems that's the KBB value for it in very good condition) It'll have 60k miles and so forth but it'll be half the cost of a brand new one.
 

Wuzup101

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Emissions laws and firearms laws are two huge reasons why many people avoid CA. I don't like laws that tell me I can't have shit because it doesn't have the right sticker on it.

That is correct. You have to make sure that it's all nice and legal like.

I would never permanently move to CA, but it's a nice place to visit. I like guns and cars too much to live there permanently.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
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Did TridenT really put a BMW M3 and a Prius in the same car shopping list?

I mean, hey... they both have four wheels and a gas engine. The similarities end from that point onward.
 

inachu

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Prius C is just a yaris Hybrid. I test drove one and it's super anemic on the highway. C is for City and that's exactly what the Prius C is for. Much rather have a 2004 Prius than a brand new Prius C unless I could resell the Prius C for money to buy a 2004 Prius. 2010+ Prius is good but I just don't like it as much as the older generation Prius as the 2010+ feels more cramped for the driver.

I like that one report about the woman who wanted to return her prius because it got bad gas mileage on the highway! LOL!!!! #dummy
 

TridenT

Lifer
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Well, right now I'm swinging towards pickup truck for my next purchase. The one thing that is the most limiting for me in my life right now is not being able to haul almost anything. Get a full-size long bed truck and most of that is taken care of. (I can still get a trailer, if necessary)
 

tortillasoup

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Well, right now I'm swinging towards pickup truck for my next purchase. The one thing that is the most limiting for me in my life right now is not being able to haul almost anything. Get a full-size long bed truck and most of that is taken care of. (I can still get a trailer, if necessary)

Wagon? Minivan? What exactly would you be hauling? Is renting a truck really that inconvenient? Like when you go to homedepot, it's pretty cheap to rent.
 

jlee

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Well, right now I'm swinging towards pickup truck for my next purchase. The one thing that is the most limiting for me in my life right now is not being able to haul almost anything. Get a full-size long bed truck and most of that is taken care of. (I can still get a trailer, if necessary)

You found a new job already?
 

mvbighead

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Apr 20, 2009
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Well, right now I'm swinging towards pickup truck for my next purchase. The one thing that is the most limiting for me in my life right now is not being able to haul almost anything. Get a full-size long bed truck and most of that is taken care of. (I can still get a trailer, if necessary)

Get a car with a hitch. More versatile/fuel efficient. Also, you can find a trailer with a much bigger bed and also be much easier to load that getting really big heavy shit in the back of a truck.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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Emissions laws and firearms laws are two huge reasons why many people avoid CA. I don't like laws that tell me I can't have shit because it doesn't have the right sticker on it.

I have a friend who moved his family up to Oregon for a couple years because he didn't like the gun laws (this is a guy who owns 30+ firearms including 2 AR15s) and because land is cheap up there.

He spent 2 years trying to find work and couldn't so he moved back to SoCal.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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More complicated options:

Keep car, use it when hauling people or needing to haul things. Buy motorcycle gear. Buy a 250/300. Sell it 3 months later. Buy a 600/899. Sell it some months later. Buy a BMW S1000RR. Become roadkill. Maybe die happy.

You're my only hope, save me!

You think 3 months is long enough? How many miles is 3 months experience going to get you?

I've been riding for 9 years and owned an SV650 for 3.5 years and put 17,000 miles on it before moving on to a bike with 100hp. Had that bike for 3+ years and another 16,000 miles and then moved on to a bike with 150hp.

You definitely need saving... from yourself.
 

TridenT

Lifer
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Get a car with a hitch. More versatile/fuel efficient. Also, you can find a trailer with a much bigger bed and also be much easier to load that getting really big heavy shit in the back of a truck.

Sure but having a trailer is going to be quite the hindrance in a place like San Francisco. I'm already taking a penalty by wanting to have a truck (and I'm sure the truck will get keyed and smashed because it's in an anarchist's paradise).

You think 3 months is long enough? How many miles is 3 months experience going to get you?

I've been riding for 9 years and owned an SV650 for 3.5 years and put 17,000 miles on it before moving on to a bike with 100hp. Had that bike for 3+ years and another 16,000 miles and then moved on to a bike with 150hp.

You definitely need saving... from yourself.

I already put in like 2-300 miles a week just from non-necessary driving (going out at night). :hmm: So, maybe I'll put in like 2,600-3,900 miles in those 3 months? (This is assuming I only use the bike for going from point A to B, which is likely but I'll probably just ride the thing for the heck of it)
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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I already put in like 2-300 miles a week just from non-necessary driving (going out at night). :hmm: So, maybe I'll put in like 2,600-3,900 miles in those 3 months? (This is assuming I only use the bike for going from point A to B, which is likely but I'll probably just ride the thing for the heck of it)

Have you ever ridden a motorcycle before?

http://www.motorcycleriderbasics.com/ten-beginning-rider-mistakes/

Ten Beginning Rider Mistakes
Everyone makes mistakes. Motorcycle riders make some deadly mistakes. As a beginner or re-entry rider, here is my list of the top mistakes you must avoid making. Some are safety related, some are gear and some are money, all of them are real.In my opinion as an experienced rider, avoiding these mistakes will enhance your riding experience and improve you survival odds.
Mistake #1: SKIPPED THE MSF BASIC RIDER COURSE --- If you must make every mistake in the book please do not make this one. The MSF Basic RiderCourse will reward you with the essentials you must have before you ever get out in the traffic on your motorcycle.
Mistake #2: DON’T BUY A SPORTSTER ---If you are a new rider or a re-entry rider, we all make this mistake. Your first motorcycle should be a "starter" motorcycle. Get a used Japanese cruiser, 250 to 500 cc. It is light weight, easy to handle and cheap. Find out if riding a motorcycle is really what you want to do. If not sell it. If you are still jazzed after 3,000 miles, now you are experienced enough to make an informed Harley purchase.
Mistake #3: LOST FOCUS --- You are not in a car. You cannot afford to go ten miles daydreaming about your sweetie, your job or anything else but the task at hand. Stay focused on riding. I cannot say enough about this. It can be a life and death mistake!
Mistake #4: WEAR THE PROPER RIDER GEAR --- I know it’s hot. I know it’s just six blocks to the store. Never get on your motorcycle without the proper gear. The asphalt doesn’t care if you have been riding five minutes or five hours, it’s still awful damn hard and unforgiving. (Check out my matrix.)
Mistake #5: ALWAYS CHECK YOUR BIKE BEFORE YOU RIDE --- Check your tire pressure. Make a visual check. Do you have gas? Are your bungee tie downs secured? Stuff happens, things change and it is too tempting to just hop on and fire it up. Two minutes spent checking can save you hours with a tow truck or an ambulance ride.
Mistake #6: RAN OUT OF GAS --- Check the gas gauge? Sure, but experience will have you checking the gauge and the mileage. You know how many miles you have in your tank and there always isn’t a gas station around every bend. Running out of gas is not only embarrassing and time consuming but on a motorcycle, it can be downright dangerous.
Mistake #7: OUTRIDING YOUR SKILL LEVEL --- New riders aren’t even sure what their skill level actually is let alone when they are outriding it. Statistically, outriding your skill level is a leading cause of solo motorcycle crashes. If you don’t know your skill level, find out and don’t find out the hard way by outriding it.
Mistake #8: UNDERSTAND "GO WHERE YOU LOOK" --- Is this a phenomenon or a law of physics? I don’t know and I don’t care. I just know that it is 100% absolutely the truth, your motorcycle will go where you are looking. Look ahead at the apex of a curve and you will track right there. Look at that tree on the side of the road and oh well, "Hello" tree.
Mistake #9: IGNORED THE BUFFER ZONE --- They can’t hit you if your not there! Stay away from cars. Don’t be ridiculous about it, but even in heavy traffic, you can always maintain some buffer zone around you. Anticipate the soccer mom in the SUV, on a cell phone, changing lanes right into you. You know she is going to do it so keep your buffer zone and stay alive.
Mistake #10: DIDN’T UNDERSTAND COUNTER STEERING --- Want to go left? Push the left bar. Go right? Push the right bar. Hey, it’s not a bicycle so don’t try to ride it like a bicycle. Practice, practice and practice are the three things you must do to master this technique.
 
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TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Have you ever ridden a motorcycle before?

http://www.motorcycleriderbasics.com/ten-beginning-rider-mistakes/

Ten Beginning Rider Mistakes
Everyone makes mistakes. Motorcycle riders make some deadly mistakes. As a beginner or re-entry rider, here is my list of the top mistakes you must avoid making. Some are safety related, some are gear and some are money, all of them are real.In my opinion as an experienced rider, avoiding these mistakes will enhance your riding experience and improve you survival odds.
Mistake #1: SKIPPED THE MSF BASIC RIDER COURSE --- If you must make every mistake in the book please do not make this one. The MSF Basic RiderCourse will reward you with the essentials you must have before you ever get out in the traffic on your motorcycle.
Mistake #2: DON’T BUY A SPORTSTER ---If you are a new rider or a re-entry rider, we all make this mistake. Your first motorcycle should be a "starter" motorcycle. Get a used Japanese cruiser, 250 to 500 cc. It is light weight, easy to handle and cheap. Find out if riding a motorcycle is really what you want to do. If not sell it. If you are still jazzed after 3,000 miles, now you are experienced enough to make an informed Harley purchase.
Mistake #3: LOST FOCUS --- You are not in a car. You cannot afford to go ten miles daydreaming about your sweetie, your job or anything else but the task at hand. Stay focused on riding. I cannot say enough about this. It can be a life and death mistake!
Mistake #4: WEAR THE PROPER RIDER GEAR --- I know it’s hot. I know it’s just six blocks to the store. Never get on your motorcycle without the proper gear. The asphalt doesn’t care if you have been riding five minutes or five hours, it’s still awful damn hard and unforgiving. (Check out my matrix.)
Mistake #5: ALWAYS CHECK YOUR BIKE BEFORE YOU RIDE --- Check your tire pressure. Make a visual check. Do you have gas? Are your bungee tie downs secured? Stuff happens, things change and it is too tempting to just hop on and fire it up. Two minutes spent checking can save you hours with a tow truck or an ambulance ride.
Mistake #6: RAN OUT OF GAS --- Check the gas gauge? Sure, but experience will have you checking the gauge and the mileage. You know how many miles you have in your tank and there always isn’t a gas station around every bend. Running out of gas is not only embarrassing and time consuming but on a motorcycle, it can be downright dangerous.
Mistake #7: OUTRIDING YOUR SKILL LEVEL --- New riders aren’t even sure what their skill level actually is let alone when they are outriding it. Statistically, outriding your skill level is a leading cause of solo motorcycle crashes. If you don’t know your skill level, find out and don’t find out the hard way by outriding it.
Mistake #8: UNDERSTAND "GO WHERE YOU LOOK" --- Is this a phenomenon or a law of physics? I don’t know and I don’t care. I just know that it is 100% absolutely the truth, your motorcycle will go where you are looking. Look ahead at the apex of a curve and you will track right there. Look at that tree on the side of the road and oh well, "Hello" tree.
Mistake #9: IGNORED THE BUFFER ZONE --- They can’t hit you if your not there! Stay away from cars. Don’t be ridiculous about it, but even in heavy traffic, you can always maintain some buffer zone around you. Anticipate the soccer mom in the SUV, on a cell phone, changing lanes right into you. You know she is going to do it so keep your buffer zone and stay alive.
Mistake #10: DIDN’T UNDERSTAND COUNTER STEERING --- Want to go left? Push the left bar. Go right? Push the right bar. Hey, it’s not a bicycle so don’t try to ride it like a bicycle. Practice, practice and practice are the three things you must do to master this technique.

Yes, I actually took the beginner MSF course in WA state so that I could get my endorsement.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
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Yes, I actually took the beginner MSF course in WA state so that I could get my endorsement.

When is the last time you've ridden and how much have you ridden since then?

I feel rusty when I haven't ridden in a couple weeks.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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You think 3 months is long enough? How many miles is 3 months experience going to get you?

I've been riding for 9 years and owned an SV650 for 3.5 years and put 17,000 miles on it before moving on to a bike with 100hp. Had that bike for 3+ years and another 16,000 miles and then moved on to a bike with 150hp.

You definitely need saving... from yourself.

eh let him do what he wants. My friend bought an R1 as her first bike and only dropped it once. She weighed < 100 pounds too. She also probably carries around boatloads of life insurance.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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eh let him do what he wants. My friend bought an R1 as her first bike and only dropped it once. She weighed < 100 pounds too. She also probably carries around boatloads of life insurance.

It is harder to learn on a bike like that. It is easier, and more fun, to ride a slow bike fast than it is to ride a fast bike slow... and you will be slow on that fast bike without experience. Either that or you'll injure or kill yourself and never want to touch another motorcycle as long as you live.

Literbikes are great for posing at the local sport bike meetup but if you actually want to learn to ride and enjoy riding I would not recommend starting out on one.
 

repoman0

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Mistake #10: DIDN’T UNDERSTAND COUNTER STEERING --- Want to go left? Push the left bar. Go right? Push the right bar. Hey, it’s not a bicycle so don’t try to ride it like a bicycle. Practice, practice and practice are the three things you must do to master this technique.

I never understood why people make a big deal out of this one. To me, that pushing on the side I want to turn movement is the same as riding a bike.. at least, if the bike is moving faster than "about to topple over" speed. Pretty intuitive!
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
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I never understood why people make a big deal out of this one. To me, that pushing on the side I want to turn movement is the same as riding a bike.. at least, if the bike is moving faster than "about to topple over" speed. Pretty intuitive!

Some people get it right away... and then there's this guy. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thTUSKUQoMc

FTR-I didn't write those and that is not my website.
 
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Ophir

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You're in CA, right? Then, Chevy Spark EV lease.

I dare you to find a better deal or more fun for $139/mo, less than that if you figure in the 100mpg equivalent to power it. I love mine and pay 50% more than that for the lease. $139 is a steal.
 
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Ns1

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You're in CA, right? Then, Chevy Spark EV lease.

I dare you to find a better deal or more fun for $139/mo, less than that if you figure in the 100mpg equivalent to power it. I love mine and pay 50% more than that for the lease. $139 is a steal.

daaaamn I want one now
 
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